we're missing the big picture here, even with the weekly patches the OP shouldn't have to respec this often, I've only ever respeced my main toon once, asside from the mandatory respecs. If you seriously think you need to respec on an almost weekly basis, you should have someone else look at your build, because something is fundamentally wrong.
You earn Dilithium. Dilithium can be freely exchanged for Zen. Zen can be used to buy Respec Tokens. IE, an in-game currency can be used to obtain Respec Tokens - or anything else in the game.
Perhaps I've skimmed too fast to catch it, but has the OP offered a specific suggestion to fix the Respec expensive pricing?
1) Would you bring down the price to, say, 100-200 Zen so that it's faster to farm Dilithium (which is obtainable in-game)?
Since the Op has not provided a solution, I will provide two. Reduce the price of the C-Store token to 100 Zen. Now, offer as a subscription reward, 1 respec token for every 150-250 days subscribed. (retroactive)
Or, reduce the price to 200-250 Zen and make respec tokens trade-able, and still offer respect tokens for days subscribed. (Also retroactive)
There are several very good reasons the retrain token needs a price reduction.
#1. Most people are not experts. This is the first MMO for many people. This is a very complex MMO by itself, and there is a lot of trial and error involved.
#2. Cryptic changes skill effects a lot. Eight months ago Power Insulators was a comically useless skill. Now, not so much.
#3. Cryptic tends to surprise us with those changes. They hardly ever announce them, when they do, it's too late, and Tribble is not warning enough, most people never even touch Tribble.
#4. Most MMO's offer a respec for much less, even if it is a cash bought item. I do not know of any other MMO's that charge $5 for a token. With the exception of Champions Online. (Hence why I don't play it.)
#5. A lot of people are coming back to the game after a couple of years of absence. Some of them are coming back to an entirely new skill tree. That's not very fair to them.
#6. Dilithium is an in-game currency yes, but it must be exchanged for an out of game currency that must be bought. That does not count as an "Ingame-currency". "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch."
we're missing the big picture here, even with the weekly patches the OP shouldn't have to respec this often, I've only ever respeced my main toon once, asside from the mandatory respecs. If you seriously think you need to respec on an almost weekly basis, you should have someone else look at your build, because something is fundamentally wrong.
Although you could theoretically get away with this, It's not going to be effective in getting every thing out of your build.
Whats wrong isn't the build per-say, It's were told to do something in a certain sandbox (excuse the analogy) but that sand box changes, all the time. Furthermore, there is so much misinformation due to just being outdated, that you can't really make heads or tails out of spending skill points. For example subsystem repair was recently fixed to appropriately effect the time it takes your subsystem to come back on line. Seriously? This is a tier 2 skill that they just fixed not too long ago.
Since the Op has not provided a solution, I will provide two. Reduce the price of the C-Store token to 100 Zen. Now, offer as a subscription reward, 1 respec token for every 150-250 days subscribed. (retroactive)
I think a Respec is offered a certain points of a Gold subscriber's veteran days, which only counts the amount of time he/she is a Gold subscriber.
Are you saying if the subscription lapses to allow a Respec to be included when they renew? And would you do that on a per-character basis or only a 1-time claim for each time milestone they passed before?
Or, reduce the price to 200-250 Zen and make respec tokens trade-able, and still offer respect tokens for days subscribed. (Also retroactive)
This is an idea. Buy it for $2 or about 4 days of playing (single character only) and either enjoy the fruits of your labor, the savings in your wallet, or make some EC off it. It works with Master Keys and would make the Zen-to-EC sellers happy I do believe.
There are several very good reasons the retrain token needs a price reduction.
#6. Dilithium is an in-game currency yes, but it must be exchanged for an out of game currency that must be bought. That does not count as an "Ingame-currency". "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch."
I agree with #s 1-5, so I'll focus on #6.
Dilithium-to-Zen doesn't require you to use real money. Sure, the grind can be a pain in the behind, but as far as real cash being dropped if you go Dilithum-to-Zen only, it's $0.
That's my personal definition of an in-game currency, anyway: when you don't have to put any actual cash into the game to buy something, either from the "cash store" or vendors in the game environment itself. In the case of Dilithium-to-Zen, yes there's an exchange but 100 Zen from Dilithium counts the same for STO's C-Store as 100 Zen bought for $1 of out-of-game cash. (Of course, this is only true if you focus on STO. If you play other PWE games, 100 Zen for $1 is more flexible because it's not tied to STO until you transfer it there, whereas Zen bought with Dilithium is tied to STO.)
I actually find it kind a funny, but I used 10+ respec tokens to learn how specs effect the gameplay (from a paper escort to one that can survive most effectively and still deal effective damage). As a f2p I would of probably rerolled or relied a lot more heavily on Character Builders. I didn't even really learn the effect of 3 vs 6 vs 9 points into a skill until I had almost wasted my first 10 on one toon and I am now 8 toons on the fed side down the road of all the different professions and variations. I really feel for ppl who have to pay $5 to respec and think it should be some kind of in game currency. I wouldn't just help current players, but it would help retain players who spec't badly and only were enlightened after discovering people who could help them and not just quit out of frustration.
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LTS, here since...when did this game launch again?
as many others have pointed out it is highly unlikely that u will have to respec very many times. in fact over the 12 toons total i have created i have probably respeced a total of 6 times. thats all toons combined. I probably have over 15 respec tokens left over with the 5 toons i currently have. If u are constantly respeccing u have a problem and regardless of whether they ever make them free or not, which i hope they dont, it will not help u at all. u need to get with some1 who can extensively explain the skill system to u. as of right now ur hopeless if u are constanly respeccing over and over again. and as i said before if u dont like how it is right now get over or quit playing. the free respecs are one of the few things that make it worth being a gold/lifetime member.
Dilithium-to-Zen doesn't require you to use real money. Sure, the grind can be a pain in the behind, but as far as real cash being dropped if you go Dilithum-to-Zen only, it's $0.
That's my personal definition of an in-game currency, anyway: when you don't have to put any actual cash into the game to buy something, either from the "cash store" or vendors in the game environment itself. In the case of Dilithium-to-Zen, yes there's an exchange but 100 Zen from Dilithium counts the same for STO's C-Store as 100 Zen bought for $1 of out-of-game cash. (Of course, this is only true if you focus on STO. If you play other PWE games, 100 Zen for $1 is more flexible because it's not tied to STO until you transfer it there, whereas Zen bought with Dilithium is tied to STO.)
I hate to discount somebody's opinion, but what I can tell you on the issue is that the definition of in game currency varies widely by where you are in the world and which jurisdiction you're operating in.
In 13 states that I'm aware of, "In-game currency" is defined as something that can be earned directly in the game. Since dilithium can not be earned directlyin the game, and my jurisdiction actually defines "In-game currency" as such, what I am supposed to say?
"Well, what you've said is entirely accurate but is legally wrong."?
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I hate to discount somebody's opinion, but what I can tell you on the issue is that the definition of in game currency varies widely by where you are in the world and which jurisdiction you're operating in.
In 13 states that I'm aware of, "In-game currency" is defined as something that can be earned directly in the game. Since dilithium can not be earned directlyin the game, and my jurisdiction actually defines "In-game currency" as such, what I am supposed to say?
"Well, what you've said is entirely accurate but is legally wrong."?
Don't worry about discounting someone's opinion when it's actually wrong from a certain, correct view! lol. I wasn't aware you were coming in from a legal perspective. So yeah, that last statement would make the most sense. It makes sense one way but doesn't as far as the law is concerned.
(Which is just crazy, as there's zero money changing hands and all transactions are of an in-game thing that gets switched for something that can be only used on that game. But I'm no lawyer so I'm sure there's more behind the scenes that goes on in the whole Dilithium-to-Zen dance, from earning the Dilithium to begin with all the way to getting Zen from it, that makes it technically not an in-game currency by certain legal definitions.)
Back in the day before we had Dilithium you could actually buy those for ingame currency. Not too cheap there, but I'd say still cheaper then todays Dilithium/Zen rating. IMO it really is too expensive. Either add a different way to buy them, for example EC or Expertise, or lower the Zen price. I think a pricetag between 200 and 300 Zen would be much more reasonable than those 500 Zen we have right now.
To Cryptics defense I have to say pretesting your new skill set in STO is more than easy. You can copy your character to Tribble instantly. You aren't limited to a low number of transfers per week or month. So there is no excuse for not using Tribble to pre-test your new skill choices.
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Since dilithium can not be earned directly in the game.
I'm not sure I follow that line of thought.
I do something in the game and am rewarded Dilithium, at which point I either click a button in game to refine it, or it's refined for me automatically if I'm a gold subscriber. So exactly how is it that dilitium is not earned directly in the game, when you don't have to anything outside the game to earn it?
To Cryptics defense I have to say pretesting your new skill set in STO is more than easy. You can copy your character to Tribble instantly. You aren't limited to a low number of transfers per week or month. So there is no excuse for not using Tribble to pre-test your new skill choices.
Although It's plausible to do so, The purpose of tribble is for testing, so most spend it on different ships and such to help test things out. The Zen for me thus far has never been replenished so I can't exactly do this on a whim. However, that was a very keen observation and may help some people.
I do something in the game and am rewarded Dilithium, at which point I either click a button in game to refine it, or it's refined for me automatically if I'm a gold subscriber. So exactly how is it that dilitium is not earned directly in the game, when you don't have to anything outside the game to earn it?
FIRST OFF YOU HAVE COMPLETELY MISQUOTED ME.
What I said is that ZEN can not be earned directly in game. So since we're misquoting people ...
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What I said is that ZEN can not be earned directly in game. So since we're misquoting people ...
You should probably read your own post as you clearly typed: "Since dilithium can not be earned directlyin the game, and my jurisdiction actually defines "In-game currency" as such, what I am supposed to say?"
There was no misquoting - like you were doing with my posts. You simply mistyped.
Beyond that, I think most people will simply disagree with you. Dilithium, an in-game currency, can be used to buy in-game items such as weapons, Craft new items, contribute to Fleetbases, and buy Zen. What you do with those weapons, crafted items, Fleetbases, or Zen is your own business.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
See I can type in all caps too. But all caps doesn't change what you said. You do understand how the quote system works on message boards right?
Because my quote contained the text from your post. Go back and look if you want, and you'll see how much of your foot you have firmly planted in your mouth.
Second off. You should really double check what's going on before you start yelling at people, because you might be wrong and that makes you look even worse. You are not only wrong, you're yelling at someone else while being wrong.
I remember typing up that post and I do not remember having that wording in there. So either somebody is editing my posts *glares at tobar* or I'm losing my mind.
Regardless, you know what I meant to say, and just to avoid any ambiguity on the issue let me clarify:
What I meant is that ZEN can not be earned directly in game.
Anyway.
Is it just a coincidence that the PWE representative moves this thread to a less active subforum?
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First, if a Mod edits your post you'll see an edit comment on the bottom of your post.
Second, your question had nothing to do with the FTP transition - which is what the FTP Q&A forum is for. Your question about Respec costs is a C-Store issue, and this is in the C-Store section of the forum.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I remember typing up that post and I do not remember having that wording in there.
I don't care what you remember, and I highly doubt that anyone is doing some sort of stealth edit on your posts.
Regardless, you know what I meant to say
No I don't, you made a very clear statement and I questioned it. Then you flew off the handle and are now making accusations that the Mods are out to get you...
To the point, I'd say it's highly debatable if Zen can be considered a in game currency or not. Because you can earn it without giving a dime to Cryptic/PWE.
The definition you used did not once have the word 'only' in it, as in 'only earned though in game activities'. So even with your definition, Zen can be considered a in game currency seeing how it's possible to earn it though 100% in game actions.
I enjoy respec'?ng and experimenting with new builds. As a result, I've spent enough over $50 worth of zen on tokens. I regret spending so much, but it's the only way to find the perfect build for all my favorite ships. They should definitely reconsider the ridiculous pricing on those things. If anything, they could include one with the purchase of a new ship.
I enjoy respec'?ng and experimenting with new builds. As a result, I've spent enough over $50 worth of zen on tokens. I regret spending so much, but it's the only way to find the perfect build for all my favorite ships. They should definitely reconsider the ridiculous pricing on those things. If anything, they could include one with the purchase of a new ship.
You can save on zen if you experiment on tribble. If you have a respec token you can copy your character to tribble and respec. if you don't like delete the character on tribble and recopy.
I enjoy respec'?ng and experimenting with new builds. As a result, I've spent enough over $50 worth of zen on tokens. I regret spending so much, but it's the only way to find the perfect build for all my favorite ships. They should definitely reconsider the ridiculous pricing on those things. If anything, they could include one with the purchase of a new ship.
Yea no. you F2Pers already get to much for free. They should have gone with a F2P model like Age of Conan or LOTRO. Instead you F2pers get the entire game for free. The only thing you miss out on is the free respec every level or the veteran awards, most of which are junk, so if you don't like it subscribe, deal with it or leave
Yea no. you F2Pers already get to much for free. They should have gone with a F2P model like Age of Conan or LOTRO. Instead you F2pers get the entire game for free. The only thing you miss out on is the free respec every level or the veteran awards, most of which are junk, so if you don't like it subscribe, deal with it or leave
F2Per? Did you miss the part where I spent over $50 on respec tokens? That's not to mention all the reinforcement packs, lockbox keys, ships, costumes, and other stuff. I've spent enough on this game to buy a lifetime subscription and then some. And I don't grind dil. I grind at my job. I buy my zen with hard earned money. So excuse me If I'd like them to cut me a little slack here. Five bucks per respec is TRIBBLE. That's all there is to it. It's almost as bad as selling subscriptions to a F2P game and giving subscribers absolutely zero to brag about. Trust me, I'd much rather buy the respec tokens. And suggesting I subscribe to get free respec tokens is pretty lame considering that all my toons are VAs and LT. Generals. What good would it do me to subscribe? Seriously. What good did it do you? Apparently not much if you're complaining about all the "free" stuff "F2Pers" are getting. Don't blame me.
sorry a bit of a long thread to read just to check if someone already gave my 2 cent:
i also do wonder if cryptic realizes that this is actually preventing more purchases than they think. take me for example, i didn't sink money into the game in a long, thing is, actually i would like to do so. i would like to skill my captain for damage and buy an heavy escort and i would like to skill my captain whatever skillset is the best to buy a carrier (and buy a carrier from C-store)
but sure as hell i won't do any of that if i have to pay 5 bucks everytime i feel bored with my recent spec and want to go back to tanking. (and i also do not want to level 2 more toons just for that, i like my current captain, my current boffs and my current doffs and it is also just to time costy for me)
i mean the solution would be easy, make a respec token into a dual spec token, buy one and you can safe 2 different skillsets on your char, buy another one and you get triple spec etc.
i too find the respec token overpriced (like a lot of things on the store).
Example 1: 1 Token for 500 Zen (a.k.a. 5 Bucks, as it is now)
I will never ever buy one of those, note even for my main
= No Profit!
Example 2: 1 Token for 250 Zen
I would buy them for my main and my 3 alts
= 10 Bucks Profit
Now I don't have a bachelor degree in economics/business/whatever BUT i do think 10 Dollar Profit would be more than 0 Dollar.
I make 100 to 120 Zen per day just playing 4 VAs about 2 hours in total. So why not just play for 5 days, make 500 Zen, and buy 2 Respecs? That would only costs $5.00 out of your pocket, or $2.50 each. Next week you can buy 2 more for $5.00; again only costing you $2.50 each.
I have an MBA from NW/Kellogg and I don't need it to realize the price can stay the same and you can still only pay the $10.00 for 4 Respecs.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I make 100 to 120 Zen per day just playing 4 VAs about 2 hours in total. So why not just play for 5 days, make 500 Zen, and buy 2 Respecs? That would only costs $5.00 out of your pocket, or $2.50 each. Next week you can buy 2 more for $5.00; again only costing you $2.50 each.
I have an MBA from NW/Kellogg and I don't need it to realize the price can stay the same and you can still only pay the $10.00 for 4 Respecs.
Yes I could grind the hell out of this game to get the tokens, but that doesn't change that they are overpriced.
Furthermore I prefer the to use the DIL as what it is, an ingame currency, needed to buy ingame stuff (weapons, donate to fleet projects, etc).
Why not make it so that both sides are happy? The ones who grind Zen Points (they would be able to afford more tokens) and the ones actually considering spending money on the store.
I make 100 to 120 Zen per day just playing 4 VAs about 2 hours in total. So why not just play for 5 days, make 500 Zen, and buy 2 Respecs? That would only costs $5.00 out of your pocket, or $2.50 each. Next week you can buy 2 more for $5.00; again only costing you $2.50 each.
I have an MBA from NW/Kellogg and I don't need it to realize the price can stay the same and you can still only pay the $10.00 for 4 Respecs.
if we say that 100Zen equals 1$ and you play 2 hours to gain 100-120 Zen then you pay yourself roughly 50 cent per hour. haveing an MBA i am sure you can find a job where you earn more than 0.5 dollar an hour. (or work extra hours)
(and if all that playing effort is done just in order to effort a respec than it is work, i do not see much fun in that doing the same thing all day with 4 chars (note, normal people only got 2-3 chars even possible on an account, you'd have to buy the additional))
if we say that 100Zen equals 1$ and you play 2 hours to gain 100-120 Zen then you pay yourself roughly 50 cent per hour. haveing an MBA i am sure you can find a job where you earn more than 0.5 dollar an hour. (or work extra hours)
(and if all that playing effort is done just in order to effort a respec than it is work, i do not see much fun in that doing the same thing all day with 4 chars (note, normal people only got 2-3 chars even possible on an account, you'd have to buy the additional))
If you consider playing working, then yes. But playing is just playing. Of course I remember playing this game for nearly 2 years and they never gave me a red cent to buy anything I wanted from the C-Store.
See, the thing about the FTP model is that it's difficult to do anything at end-game that doesn't earn you Zen. STFs = Zen. Dailies = Zen. PvP = Zen, etc.
You're making money just by playing. What you choose to do with that money is your own business. Maybe you'll save it for a new ship, maybe you'll buy Respecs, maybe you'll buy a new Uniform. Whatever you do with it, it's still free money - something we didn't get for just playing prior to Jan 17th.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Yes I could grind the hell out of this game to get the tokens, but that doesn't change that they are overpriced.
They're overpriced because every single player here can simply play the game and get everything in the C-Store from a 10% to 100% discount.
Cryptic understands that for every person buying a Respec there's one or more getting it for free. Their income on Respecs isn't $5.00 per. It's averaged between everyone who pays $5.00 and who pays 0 dollars.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
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Since the Op has not provided a solution, I will provide two. Reduce the price of the C-Store token to 100 Zen. Now, offer as a subscription reward, 1 respec token for every 150-250 days subscribed. (retroactive)
Or, reduce the price to 200-250 Zen and make respec tokens trade-able, and still offer respect tokens for days subscribed. (Also retroactive)
There are several very good reasons the retrain token needs a price reduction.
Although you could theoretically get away with this, It's not going to be effective in getting every thing out of your build.
Whats wrong isn't the build per-say, It's were told to do something in a certain sandbox (excuse the analogy) but that sand box changes, all the time. Furthermore, there is so much misinformation due to just being outdated, that you can't really make heads or tails out of spending skill points. For example subsystem repair was recently fixed to appropriately effect the time it takes your subsystem to come back on line. Seriously? This is a tier 2 skill that they just fixed not too long ago.
I think a Respec is offered a certain points of a Gold subscriber's veteran days, which only counts the amount of time he/she is a Gold subscriber.
Are you saying if the subscription lapses to allow a Respec to be included when they renew? And would you do that on a per-character basis or only a 1-time claim for each time milestone they passed before?
This is an idea. Buy it for $2 or about 4 days of playing (single character only) and either enjoy the fruits of your labor, the savings in your wallet, or make some EC off it. It works with Master Keys and would make the Zen-to-EC sellers happy I do believe.
I agree with #s 1-5, so I'll focus on #6.
Dilithium-to-Zen doesn't require you to use real money. Sure, the grind can be a pain in the behind, but as far as real cash being dropped if you go Dilithum-to-Zen only, it's $0.
That's my personal definition of an in-game currency, anyway: when you don't have to put any actual cash into the game to buy something, either from the "cash store" or vendors in the game environment itself. In the case of Dilithium-to-Zen, yes there's an exchange but 100 Zen from Dilithium counts the same for STO's C-Store as 100 Zen bought for $1 of out-of-game cash. (Of course, this is only true if you focus on STO. If you play other PWE games, 100 Zen for $1 is more flexible because it's not tied to STO until you transfer it there, whereas Zen bought with Dilithium is tied to STO.)
LTS, here since...when did this game launch again?
I hate to discount somebody's opinion, but what I can tell you on the issue is that the definition of in game currency varies widely by where you are in the world and which jurisdiction you're operating in.
In 13 states that I'm aware of, "In-game currency" is defined as something that can be earned directly in the game. Since dilithium can not be earned directlyin the game, and my jurisdiction actually defines "In-game currency" as such, what I am supposed to say?
"Well, what you've said is entirely accurate but is legally wrong."?
Don't worry about discounting someone's opinion when it's actually wrong from a certain, correct view! lol.
(Which is just crazy, as there's zero money changing hands and all transactions are of an in-game thing that gets switched for something that can be only used on that game. But I'm no lawyer so I'm sure there's more behind the scenes that goes on in the whole Dilithium-to-Zen dance, from earning the Dilithium to begin with all the way to getting Zen from it, that makes it technically not an in-game currency by certain legal definitions.)
To Cryptics defense I have to say pretesting your new skill set in STO is more than easy. You can copy your character to Tribble instantly. You aren't limited to a low number of transfers per week or month. So there is no excuse for not using Tribble to pre-test your new skill choices.
I'm not sure I follow that line of thought.
I do something in the game and am rewarded Dilithium, at which point I either click a button in game to refine it, or it's refined for me automatically if I'm a gold subscriber. So exactly how is it that dilitium is not earned directly in the game, when you don't have to anything outside the game to earn it?
Although It's plausible to do so, The purpose of tribble is for testing, so most spend it on different ships and such to help test things out. The Zen for me thus far has never been replenished so I can't exactly do this on a whim. However, that was a very keen observation and may help some people.
FIRST OFF YOU HAVE COMPLETELY MISQUOTED ME.
What I said is that ZEN can not be earned directly in game. So since we're misquoting people ...
There was no misquoting - like you were doing with my posts. You simply mistyped.
Beyond that, I think most people will simply disagree with you. Dilithium, an in-game currency, can be used to buy in-game items such as weapons, Craft new items, contribute to Fleetbases, and buy Zen. What you do with those weapons, crafted items, Fleetbases, or Zen is your own business.
Shuffling this over to the C-Store feedback subforum as it seems more appropriate there at this stage.
Also let's make sure this thread doesn't get too flamey people
I for one want to light a fire under Cryptic/PWE collective posterior.
First off... NO I DID NOT.
See I can type in all caps too. But all caps doesn't change what you said. You do understand how the quote system works on message boards right?
Because my quote contained the text from your post. Go back and look if you want, and you'll see how much of your foot you have firmly planted in your mouth.
Second off. You should really double check what's going on before you start yelling at people, because you might be wrong and that makes you look even worse. You are not only wrong, you're yelling at someone else while being wrong.
I remember typing up that post and I do not remember having that wording in there. So either somebody is editing my posts *glares at tobar* or I'm losing my mind.
Regardless, you know what I meant to say, and just to avoid any ambiguity on the issue let me clarify:
Anyway.
Is it just a coincidence that the PWE representative moves this thread to a less active subforum?
Second, your question had nothing to do with the FTP transition - which is what the FTP Q&A forum is for. Your question about Respec costs is a C-Store issue, and this is in the C-Store section of the forum.
I don't care what you remember, and I highly doubt that anyone is doing some sort of stealth edit on your posts.
No I don't, you made a very clear statement and I questioned it. Then you flew off the handle and are now making accusations that the Mods are out to get you...
To the point, I'd say it's highly debatable if Zen can be considered a in game currency or not. Because you can earn it without giving a dime to Cryptic/PWE.
The definition you used did not once have the word 'only' in it, as in 'only earned though in game activities'. So even with your definition, Zen can be considered a in game currency seeing how it's possible to earn it though 100% in game actions.
You can save on zen if you experiment on tribble. If you have a respec token you can copy your character to tribble and respec. if you don't like delete the character on tribble and recopy.
Yea no. you F2Pers already get to much for free. They should have gone with a F2P model like Age of Conan or LOTRO. Instead you F2pers get the entire game for free. The only thing you miss out on is the free respec every level or the veteran awards, most of which are junk, so if you don't like it subscribe, deal with it or leave
F2Per? Did you miss the part where I spent over $50 on respec tokens? That's not to mention all the reinforcement packs, lockbox keys, ships, costumes, and other stuff. I've spent enough on this game to buy a lifetime subscription and then some. And I don't grind dil. I grind at my job. I buy my zen with hard earned money. So excuse me If I'd like them to cut me a little slack here. Five bucks per respec is TRIBBLE. That's all there is to it. It's almost as bad as selling subscriptions to a F2P game and giving subscribers absolutely zero to brag about. Trust me, I'd much rather buy the respec tokens. And suggesting I subscribe to get free respec tokens is pretty lame considering that all my toons are VAs and LT. Generals. What good would it do me to subscribe? Seriously. What good did it do you? Apparently not much if you're complaining about all the "free" stuff "F2Pers" are getting. Don't blame me.
i also do wonder if cryptic realizes that this is actually preventing more purchases than they think. take me for example, i didn't sink money into the game in a long, thing is, actually i would like to do so. i would like to skill my captain for damage and buy an heavy escort and i would like to skill my captain whatever skillset is the best to buy a carrier (and buy a carrier from C-store)
but sure as hell i won't do any of that if i have to pay 5 bucks everytime i feel bored with my recent spec and want to go back to tanking. (and i also do not want to level 2 more toons just for that, i like my current captain, my current boffs and my current doffs and it is also just to time costy for me)
i mean the solution would be easy, make a respec token into a dual spec token, buy one and you can safe 2 different skillsets on your char, buy another one and you get triple spec etc.
Example 1: 1 Token for 500 Zen (a.k.a. 5 Bucks, as it is now)
I will never ever buy one of those, note even for my main
= No Profit!
Example 2: 1 Token for 250 Zen
I would buy them for my main and my 3 alts
= 10 Bucks Profit
Now I don't have a bachelor degree in economics/business/whatever BUT i do think 10 Dollar Profit would be more than 0 Dollar.
I have an MBA from NW/Kellogg and I don't need it to realize the price can stay the same and you can still only pay the $10.00 for 4 Respecs.
Yes I could grind the hell out of this game to get the tokens, but that doesn't change that they are overpriced.
Furthermore I prefer the to use the DIL as what it is, an ingame currency, needed to buy ingame stuff (weapons, donate to fleet projects, etc).
Why not make it so that both sides are happy? The ones who grind Zen Points (they would be able to afford more tokens) and the ones actually considering spending money on the store.
if we say that 100Zen equals 1$ and you play 2 hours to gain 100-120 Zen then you pay yourself roughly 50 cent per hour. haveing an MBA i am sure you can find a job where you earn more than 0.5 dollar an hour. (or work extra hours)
(and if all that playing effort is done just in order to effort a respec than it is work, i do not see much fun in that doing the same thing all day with 4 chars (note, normal people only got 2-3 chars even possible on an account, you'd have to buy the additional))
See, the thing about the FTP model is that it's difficult to do anything at end-game that doesn't earn you Zen. STFs = Zen. Dailies = Zen. PvP = Zen, etc.
You're making money just by playing. What you choose to do with that money is your own business. Maybe you'll save it for a new ship, maybe you'll buy Respecs, maybe you'll buy a new Uniform. Whatever you do with it, it's still free money - something we didn't get for just playing prior to Jan 17th.
Cryptic understands that for every person buying a Respec there's one or more getting it for free. Their income on Respecs isn't $5.00 per. It's averaged between everyone who pays $5.00 and who pays 0 dollars.