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Transphasics: Actually Voyager powerful
supergaminggeek
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I've played a lot of PvP with my fleet. Some of it for Dilithium, and others for training. Everyone had a way to recharge their shields, making my quantum torpedoes bad. My healing on a Science Odyssey was always more than twice my damage.
Once I've stumbled upon the Transphasic torpedo launcher by way of Breen, I've made use of it, and have seen more damage from my character than ever before. The enemy's ship's hull was degrading fast from a good High Yield, and for a decent DPV. Now, Instead of 200,000 Dmg/600,000 Heal, I'm dishing out 800,000 Dmg/400,000 Heal. The heal change was from my change of BOFF skills, though. More efficient.
Final Verdict: Transphasics are the most powerful torpedoes a man can use.
Once I've stumbled upon the Transphasic torpedo launcher by way of Breen, I've made use of it, and have seen more damage from my character than ever before. The enemy's ship's hull was degrading fast from a good High Yield, and for a decent DPV. Now, Instead of 200,000 Dmg/600,000 Heal, I'm dishing out 800,000 Dmg/400,000 Heal. The heal change was from my change of BOFF skills, though. More efficient.
Final Verdict: Transphasics are the most powerful torpedoes a man can use.
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And if you hit someone with shields down with trans you get 0 benfit. Quantums can crush shields and hull if used right. Trasphasics sorta work on torpedo boats using tons of projectile doffs but you are still not usually as effective and even less so when shields drop.
Quantum boat > transphasic boat. Quantum dmg > Transphasic. Quantum speed > Transphasic. Quantum dmg through shields about = to transphasic. Quantum cooldown > Transphasic.
End result, Quantums win. Sadly even with some updates the other torpedos still arent really on par, they are improved but still need tweaks.
What I mean is 1 Transphasics salvo on shields and 1 salvo on hull without shields does more damage than a timed Quantum salvo on hull.
This really isn't true at all.
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[9:52] [Zone #11] Neal@trapper1532: im a omega force shadow oprative and a maoc elite camander and here i am taking water samples
The extra punch through power to shields of the transphasics seems better on the surface. But when you do the calculations to how much damage you actually get through shields with transphasics (I have done the calculation) it comes out to less than 1000 damage. So if you slap THY on there you get a little more... if a transphasic goes to the hull you lose the potential damage of other torpedoes. Now, quantums. If you are good at the timing you can do far more damage than a transphasic. One quantum to the hull will outweigh transphasic's extra penetration. And then you've also got lots of people running around with MACO shields, which are resilient shield arrays. so the bleedthrough is reduced even more. In the end quantums really are going to be better. You aren't going to be one-shotting cubes in your impenetrable Intrepid class with transphasics like Voyager.
When my defiant retro fires off a BO lll, it will obliterate shields on almost any ship. So yes... BO does really take down shields.
A MACO shield still means a Transphasics has just over 40% Bleedthough.
EDIT:
I am going pop in game and test out Transphasics x2 High yields to see if I am wrong. Will post damage here, could you post your Quantum damage hull numbers?
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[9:52] [Zone #11] Neal@trapper1532: im a omega force shadow oprative and a maoc elite camander and here i am taking water samples
Yes, I did. I am going to go get my calculator and visit stowiki.org so I can show you how much damage really gets through to the hull with transphasics.
By the time shields go down quantums have a long way to go to catch to what the Transphasics have already done and the Transphasics are still doing damage.
This is for a standard Mk xii transphasic torpedo. These numbers are for the DPV
If it goes to the hull:
Unbuffed: 2155
THY l: 3706.6
THY ll: 4245.4
THY lll: 4784.1
Normal shield - Resilient shield
Unbuffed: 991.3 - 926.7
THY l: 1705 - 1593.8
THY ll: 1952.9 - 1825.5
THY lll: 2200.7 - 2057.7
That is how much damage you are really scoring through shields (using a standard mk xii torpedo). Here is what I have for Quantum torpedo, standard mk xii (these are the DPV):
If it goes to the hull:
Unbuffed: 3313
THY l: 7354.9
THY ll: 8547.5
THY lll: 9766.7
Normal shield - Resilient shield
Unbuffed: 331.3 - 165.65
THY l: 735.5 - 367.7
THY ll: 854.8 - 427.4
THY lll: 976.7 - 488.3
My followup statement will be posted farther down somewhere in the thread.
If you're shooting at paper-mache, PvE-trash or PvP-noobs, then yes, BO+Quantum works like a charm. Big numbers, and **BOOOOOM**
If you're shooting at something more durable though, like Tac Cubes, STF Bosses or skilled PvPers ... well, then they'll soak up your BO+Quantum combo, then laugh while your power levels are drained to nothing and their shields barely scratched.
BO+Quantum combo means you're optimizing for trash kills.
Transphasics optimize for sustained hull dps on tough target ... or: targets where it actually counts.
But some people like seeing huge numbers on insignificant targets, some day someone will be able to explain to me why that is. Probably.
Edit: NOOOOES! Too slow
Edit2: Just in case - 'not saying that going for transphasics is ideal - it's just a less bad idea than people think it is.
EDIT: Be gald we're debating this like normal people and not rage trolling on each other.
The numbers there are for if all the torpdoes hit. Which is as it should be, hopefully.
My target took 3317 hull damage for transphasics THY III with no damage boost with shields up. A pretty drastic trop compared to the 7000 I normally get.
EDIT; I did try 122 weapon and 122 shield and a mix of energy and torps but again it failed to work.
From my own testing and parsing the results, a transphasic boat using disruptors can produce a respectable-enough result to make it worthy of at least running STFs with it. And hey, it is a completely different way of flying an escort, so there is that.
However, from my experience, even the Tac Cubes don't have a shield face up for long against my fleet teams, as it gets rooted and debuffed so bare hull is facing us pretty much the entire time. So if you're running with a pug, it might be fun to roll an advcort transphasic build for utility, but otherwise I think quantums will still be king if you want to maximize your damage. But again, if you're pulling 5-6k raw dps in your transphasic boat, I see no reason to change.
I have a high powered beam crusier that can burn a shiled down in a heartbeat,
turn, or still be line to fire HYII Photons straight onto a hull for over 11k damage.
Photons can be good if you're trying to perfectly time a hull breach after a BO3 or such. Otherwise they're sort of pointless because DOffs bring all torps down to the same global CD anyway.
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[9:52] [Zone #11] Neal@trapper1532: im a omega force shadow oprative and a maoc elite camander and here i am taking water samples
Question about this. The projectile weapons officer Doff ability says it has a 20% chance of reducing torp recharge, but everyone that talks about them acts like it's a guarantee. Even with multiples those chances don't stack, do they? So two Doffs won't give a 40% chance? It will be two 20% chances, right? That's not bad, but for a torp build you're still looking at cycles where your number won't come up and you'll be stuck with the normal recharge time. Or am I missing something?
Also, good thread.
The way it works is fire first torpedo, 3 chances at 20% to trigger that can stack so you can have 3 triggers as once. Fire 2nd torpedo, 3 more chances to trigger and so on.
Yes, this is particularly handy if your build involves Tricobalts or Hargh'pengs. The former can get a DRASTIC boost if run alongside photons and a group of projectile doffs, the latter gets a neat kick out of ANY torpedo with projectile doffs.
Edit: For example, in the atypical scenario that all 3 trigger, you'll get at least 25% of your cooldown shaved off on a tricobalt. 2 triggering may also have that effect, and 1 trigger will cut out a neat amount too. *doesn't know the exact numbers, hence the massive lack of precision*
Also, how should I proceed for a PURE torpedo Vo'Quv using quad BoPs?
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
You don't use energy weapons?
By scraping that idea.
The Vo'quv is so sluggy that you can't even reliably broadside - how are you supposed to get anything in your torp arcs? Within 5 minutes, and without drifitng out of range half a dozen times, that is.
Also ... BoPs already carry all the torpedo goodness there is, once shields are down they finish off anything within seconds - shield stripping though is your job ..... WAAAAAAAAAIT ... you're joking, right?
'Can't do that on the internet, people could think you're serious! :P
(If you actually were serious: see answer above, and know that I'm trying for a triple facepalm just in case.)
Sadly you are incorrect.
Photon torpedo will do more hull damage through shield than transphasics. Why?
They have higher base damage, much faster refire rate -and- a much, MUCH higher damage multiplier in torpedo boff abilities.
Transphasics will never be viable until they have higher shield penetration. Sadly, if that happens, shields become irrelevant and everything fubars.
Transphasics need to have their special ability changed.
Ouch, that hurts to read.
Normal shields have a bleedthrough of 10%.
Transphasics penetrate these at 46%.
Transphasics deal about 67% of quantums per hit.
Rate of fire gets taken care of by DOffs, they are equal for all practical purposes.
-> Transphasics deal THREE TIMES the damage through shield than Quantums, which come in second.
For Resilient Shields, this looks even more bleak, with Transphasics coming in at nearly SIX times the dps.
HYT scales 1.3 times better with Quantums/Photons than Transphasics, but that still doesn't close the gap while shields are still up, with Transphasics dealing more than twice the damage, 4.5 times against resilient shields.
Edit: as we're at it ... I can actually attest that this works, at least versus escorts/raptors/BoPs and some Sci. 'Been on the receiving end of it a couple times, and the bleedthrough slowly kills you.
Edit2: f'ed up the HYT-mods, changed that part to reflect correct values.