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how to change the C-Store, so the community will not despise it.
palpha2clearance
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1. If it is a micro transaction it goes in the c-store for a reasonable price.....period.
2. Subscribers receive account unlocks on all purchases and unlocks in game or in the c-store.
3. F2p players pay for per character unlocks (excetpion, current account wide service unlocks, ship purchases).
4. The stipend is a joke at this point, gold members in addion to there stipend recieve a 40% (if prices remain high and unreasonable) discount, F2p players still pay full price.
5. In game rewards do not cost zen.....period
6. Lock box items are in the c-store for purchase at a reasonable price.
7. Lobi crystals items are sold in game and the c-store at a reasonable price.
8. Lobi crystals, all fleet credits and dilithuim are attainable by playing main story missions.
9. All tier 5 starships will have 5 universal commander slots, 5 weapon slots fore and aft, 5 device and 15 universal console slots. This will be implemented among the Lower tiers also tier 4 will have a universal commander and 3 universal Lt commanders, the appropriate amount of universal console and device slots and so on and so forth all the way down to tier 1.
10 nothing paid for with real money is unique (excluding consoles 1 per character).....if I buy it I should be able to equip as many weapons as I want....I paid for it.
11. All consoles will work on all ships slots no matter the ship type. I.E. science and assualt cruiser, escort ,and crusier consoles can be equipped on any ship, if we pay for it we should get our monies worth.
12. Transparancy and enginnering reports bring it back, listen to your customer base and do not put things out there that everyone is jumping up and down telling you we do not want.
13. Make all currently bound to character equipment, account bound, then sell for 100 dilthium unbind token in game.
14. Put out a quality product and do it right the first time......for a reasonable price (that means much lower ththan the current ridiculous price point currently in place.)
2. Subscribers receive account unlocks on all purchases and unlocks in game or in the c-store.
3. F2p players pay for per character unlocks (excetpion, current account wide service unlocks, ship purchases).
4. The stipend is a joke at this point, gold members in addion to there stipend recieve a 40% (if prices remain high and unreasonable) discount, F2p players still pay full price.
5. In game rewards do not cost zen.....period
6. Lock box items are in the c-store for purchase at a reasonable price.
7. Lobi crystals items are sold in game and the c-store at a reasonable price.
8. Lobi crystals, all fleet credits and dilithuim are attainable by playing main story missions.
9. All tier 5 starships will have 5 universal commander slots, 5 weapon slots fore and aft, 5 device and 15 universal console slots. This will be implemented among the Lower tiers also tier 4 will have a universal commander and 3 universal Lt commanders, the appropriate amount of universal console and device slots and so on and so forth all the way down to tier 1.
10 nothing paid for with real money is unique (excluding consoles 1 per character).....if I buy it I should be able to equip as many weapons as I want....I paid for it.
11. All consoles will work on all ships slots no matter the ship type. I.E. science and assualt cruiser, escort ,and crusier consoles can be equipped on any ship, if we pay for it we should get our monies worth.
12. Transparancy and enginnering reports bring it back, listen to your customer base and do not put things out there that everyone is jumping up and down telling you we do not want.
13. Make all currently bound to character equipment, account bound, then sell for 100 dilthium unbind token in game.
14. Put out a quality product and do it right the first time......for a reasonable price (that means much lower ththan the current ridiculous price point currently in place.)
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and the majority which are silver players will have to pay 20 euros (which is more than a subscription) to unlock 1 ship per toon and not despise your "brilliant" idea.
Forsake game balance and turn the C-Store ships into (forgive me for using a cliche) "I WIN" button... this is simply foolish, IMPO.
Quality is highly subjective. I'm sure many players think that there are a lot of high-quality items in the C-Store.
Personally, I think the "engineers" are listening to a lot of different voices in the community, some who are highly satisfied, some in the middle, and some who will never be satisfied; I think they're doing a decent job listening to players, IMPO.
You're not truly representing the playerbase when you make this argument, so please don't act as a "community" representative for what are clearly personal agendas.
I don't care how long you've been playing. I only care about how you play.
And remember to follow the rules.
Please don't speak for anyone other than you. You don't represent the community.
And if you find the value isn't sufficient for subbers...then whomever is paying it needs to quit subbing. The game doesn't owe subbers anything more than what they are told the sub gives them. If it isn't worth it, don't pay it.
You (and me) got what you (and me) paid for at that time we agreed to pay ,Policies change at any time.I subscribed and now Im using silver ,not because Im cheap but because I don't want to use a credit card (Im one of those with a pre december 2010 accounts ) to buy a sub (even posted a idea to include subs in the c store at a extra price because I buy zp using steam wallet) .
Yes new players get more at this point ,but that is like saying "a guy buys a old Nokia phone for less money than someone who bought it when it was new" ,plus I don't care ,I only want to see more players and more content .
I have no agenda....I want this to fun and customizable again..I feel sto has veered far off course with f2p and pwe....I would like to see the game we all signed up for to come to fruition....and so far at 1000 and some days I have not seen it yet.......I want this to be around and fun for a longtime, and as a longterm investor I am not sure its on course currently.......
I would love to see more ungated content, but everytime I see the brief flash of light at the end of tunnel my hopes are dashed....by some let down announcement of postponement. I do not see the currenct c-store model providing it, in a timely fashion
Thank you.
Wow...ego much?
In your opinion. And unless you held an election amongst your l33t "more insightful group" where they named you spokesperson, maybe you should dial back the voice-of-the-community BS?
Yes, it is..and I don't even require your permission to do it. Crazy how that works, isn't it? Guess I won't get invited to the insightful group anytime soon, thou.
Bummer. :rolleyes:
Subbers are treated just fine, in my opinion. It would be nice if c-store prices weren't as high as they are, but since I decide when and how I spend my money, thats my problem - not the C-stores.
What do you think the game should do for long-time subbers that it doesn't already do? We get more bank, inventory, ship, character slots. Foundry author access. We have a higher EC limit. We get vet rewards and for us lifers we get a stipend.
They aren't going to give subbers a discount in the c-store. Why? Because they don't have to - they have the sales figures that show that subbers still buy from the C-store. How do I know? Because if the sales numbers indicated that people weren't buying because of price point, they'd lower prices.
Some people pay for stuff.
Some people pay to win.
Some people pay to feel special.
I guess thanks for your insulting feedback??? I was implying that some us want change for the betterment of all, and kinda want some of the folks who are playing for free to absorb of the additional cost the subscriber have been burdened with, when we already pay to play.
you may not like my view point.....opinions vary:rolleyes:
Burrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrn baby burn, Another palpha thread 30 pages down!
Why ? They already got your money, they want mine now. Them giving you a big wet kiss isn't necessarily going to make me want to join your side, but them giving me a big smooch may.
Problem is I'm of the wrong faction.
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
Good point. And how are subscribers paying more now that F2P is in effect? The sub rate is the exact same it was before F2P isn't it?
I'll give much more than that, this thread totally delivered as usual.
Can't wait to see the new content that S7 palpha will bring.
http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/35edjx/
Some people just want the "I Win" button
And some people will complain, no matter what.
That's human nature :rolleyes:
His idea(s) are terrible and comes from a very flawed assumption , being that everyone "despises" the current c store. there is obviously no thought given to long term profitability, or a retention of the Silver players who while not paying a subscription cost , often still contribute to the game buying c points for the exact purchase they want, instead of spending money every month.
I think just from the replies to this thread it is obvious that the words "dial back the voice of the community BS a bit" couldn't be more accurate.
Very glad i am not part of the "insightful" Leet group for whom you claim to speak. Sounds like a bunch of jerks.
Ooh, cold as ice hippiejon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvrv6re6ZiU&feature=plcp
Just call me Victor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNaDZIrxh-0
Totally Thot Trel.
Please do not mistake confidence for ego, I assure you it is not, I just want a better tomorrow for STO, and would like to feel my investment is not in vain......I do not dislike F2p players, I would like to encourage them to subscribe and share the in investment into STO. F2P just need to invest a little more so that those who pay to play the game do not have to shoulder the majority of the burden, on top of paying to play the game.
Thank you.
Now to your suggestions, the 1st one I can only really quote obsidiusrex on 'reasonable' being subjective.
Agreed, except I would say everyone, not just subscribers. Most things already are, but the Boffs should go back to being as such like the Borg one was. Items should remain character unlocks, various services are a bit more iffy. Gold players get much of them as part of being gold already. I personally think the services part is largely in a good spot.
No. For all your vaunted 'insight' you fail to realise how many people this would alienate and annoy. Yes, you want to increase subscribers. No, the stick method is not a good way. Carrots are better.
Perhaps. A discount would be a good carrot for lifetimers, but 40% is about as likely to fly as pigs, especially with the stipend. A bit of patience and dilithium farming, and unlocking everything without paying an extra cent beyond that would be much faster.
I'm trying to remember the last time I got an in game reward for Zen. For that matter, is it an in game reward if you paid Zen, or are you just unlocking something? Even getting a lockbox doesn't cost Zen. Opening it does (if you don't use the exchange), but that's still buying a key, not buying an in game reward. But yes, they shouldn't. I guess you'll later claim that not having in game rewards costing Zen is your idea and Cryptic would have made you have to pay Zen to get that free ship for ranking up to Lt Commander?
Agreed, but only after a period of time.
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Only if the drop rate for Lobis are low. Let the lockboxers keep their stuff pretty well exclusively for about a year. Fleet credits, no. They're for contributing to the starbase and should remain that way. It's really not that hard to get a pile of fleet credits anyway. Fleet Marks on the other hand, yes, but they long since said they want to have them as rewards for more things. Dilithium, sure why not. You can still only refine 8000 a day anyway, and it'll at least add more variety to any grind.
Hahaha, no. Not only is that ridiculous, but it's also plain and boring. Ships having different strengths and weaknesses is something that should be encouraged, not stamped out. Science ships should be science ships, not escorts or cruisers because their captain decided to change some bridge officers around and such in the middle of mission. Ships would simply become cosmetic, being all the same underneath their skins.
You paid for one, you got one. How many weapons do you get from the C-store stuff anyway? And how many of them are particularly useful? Besides, they're more flavoursome if you can only have one. And if they're really worth having that much, then even more reason to limit their numbers that a character can have. I really don't want the Pay to Win Entertainment thing to become completely deadpan serious. The P2W in STO is bad enough as it is.
See 9. Maybe you like eating grey, tasteless porridge day after day, but I'll take some bacon and eggs thanks.
I wonder if they have a list of everything you say, so that they know what not to do :P
More things should be account bound, but not everything currently character bound should be. Unbind token? Maybe, but I personally think it's not as great as an idea as you seem to think it is.
Once again, I'd basically just end up quoting obsidiusrex.
Overall, I can only see you as being someone who wants everything easy. You want the 'I WIN!' button. You want to be able to get the best equipment without any effort and think that because you're a gold player, you should get that. I'm almost surprised that you didn't ask for invincibility cheats too, because the 'insightful group' that you supposedly speak for think it's the best thing for the game.
You seem to completely forget that silver players still buy from the store. For all you know, the silver players could account for the majority of Cryptic's income, they would almost certainly account for a sizable portion. Your ideas wouldn't increase the gold players by much, but would certainly decimate the paying silver player population. If not just simply decimate the player population in general, as many players would leave if the game became so purely pay to win as you'd like it to be. There would be less reason to hang around between seasons, if at all.
The game is hardly perfect, but your ideas would only make it worse. I for one would stop playing and paying if it ever became like your dream version of the game.
Oh man... Nobody asks you for such sacrifice.
I agree with everything rustychat wrote.