Is one shoting a siege destroyer too much to ask of the Riker maneuver? But surely I can mount the torp console on the aft, rock their world with the gas explosion, bank away, and then punch in HYT III to finish them....right?
I'll probably buy the ship Thur afternoon, and report back on the forums what damage can be done with the Riker maneuver against starbase attackers. Im already spec'd into torpedoes.
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It'll probably be like the quad cannons , no level purple same as some leveling weps , 180 arc makes up for it i suppose though
highly doubt they'd give away XII weps with a ship
Hmm, upon further introspection, I just realized that the price and availability makes this a VA-only ship. That means there is a good-to-possible chance the torpedo will be levelless.
Although no idea if it will be comparable to a Mk XI or a Mk XII.
I don't get why some people are throwing fits over the price. We paid that much for the Armitage, we paid that much for the Atrox, we paid that much for individual Odysseys and Bortasqus, and even the Destroyer
What makes this ship different?
Is it because we've been asking for it for so long? Because if I were Cryptic, and I knew that I was about to release a long-requested and highly anticipated ship, I'd charge more than what seems to be the new standard for high level ships.
Well, next time I buy myself some Zen, I'll be trying this beauty out. I won't mind having this at all.
To be honest, when I first started playing this game last year, I felt rather...meh, about the Sovereign when I got to it. I used my RA-UH token to buy it, but didn't use it a whole lot. In turn, I LOVED the Star Cruiser leaps more than that.
Now though, I will probably fly this beauty around some, not a huge amount, but enough to have fun with the new console, not to mention slapping that torpedo on all three of my Fed characters.
The price is a bit high, true, but it's not higher than what we are used to. Do I wish it had a little more? Yes, but if they are only giving it 9 spaces, than most likely they will give it a Fleet version.
So, I'm certainly sold on this, I can't wait to give the new Vespine Gas...ermm...Metreon Gas console a try.
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I don't get why some people are throwing fits over the price. We paid that much for the Armitage, we paid that much for the Atrox, we paid that much for individual Odysseys and Bortasqus, and even the Destroyer
What makes this ship different?
A lot of it seems to be an issue with what is offered for the price.
The ships you listed seemed to give "more for the money", which has apparently been the goal since the Rhode Island was released.
What is this new Sovereign offering? A different BOff configuration that runs fairly close to the Excelsior, and has a Universal Slot which, pretty much by default, has to be Science anyway (thus making it Universal pretty much in name only as it may as well be a Science Slot). It also has a Special Console of questionable use (which seems to mirror a couple of abilities that already exist), and a weapon that probably won't stack up damage-wise compared to typical endgame weapons based on previously released items of this type (the only level-less items that Cryptic has seen fit to make sure stack up are the beams that came with the Galor... a lockbox ship).
So it's got a pretty "meh" looking BOff set up that's reminiscent of the Excelsior, two questionable items, no extra console slot (in fact the exact same setup as the standard Sovereign), no boosted stats, no free hangars, no integral phaser lance...
... it just doesn't seem to have the "value" that one would expect from the price.
I don't get why some people are throwing fits over the price. We paid that much for the Armitage, we paid that much for the Atrox, we paid that much for individual Odysseys and Bortasqus, and even the Destroyer
What makes this ship different?
Without getting into the who is right or wrong, just analyzing the logic of the arguments, look at the premium version of any class at each tier, and you generally get a new skin, a different Boff layout, and a premium console. The Armitage also adds 2k hull, a hangar, and an exclusive fighter type. The Odyssey has +3k hull, +15% to shields, a bridge, the enhanced quantum slipstream, and 10 consoles. The Atrox gives you a ship class the federation can't otherwise get, a 4-Boff layout, and an exclusive fighter. The outliers though are the MVAE, which (last I looked) costs the full 2500 and only gets a console and nothing else, and the Dreadnought which has a new skin, the cloak console, and the phaser lance, but no numerical advantages.
So the Regent, with Soverign numbers plus a new skin, 2 abilities, and a boff change, is about the same as what you could expect a premium RA ship to have (maybe a little better since its got 2 toys instead of 1, plus the universal Boff), about the level of the Nebula-R or Defiant-R. It's better value-for-money than the MVAE (in terms of number of extras) or the Dreadnought (which gets abilities but no boff changes), but doesn't have as many goodies as the significant enhancements on the Armitage, Atrox, or Odyssey.
Thats just the mathematical logic though. Personal opinions and values are something else entirely and I want no part of those.
Your math is incorrect though. Just to poke a hole in the logic, you said the Armitage gets 2k more hull. 2k more than...what? The original T3 Akira? No, that's the base of the ship itself, it's nothing extra.
Also, the Venture skin for the dreadnought is sold separately for 15 dollars. It doesn't come with the dreadnought by default.
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I don't know if this has been asked before and it's 7 AM here so I'm not reading all previous pages to find out and since I haven't seen it answered on the dev tracker... The metreon gas console says it can be equipped in the assault cruiser refit and the assault cruiser... and I'm guessing it doesn't since they are not mentioned but I have to ask if it does include any of the mirror ships that come in the lockboxes since one of them is an assault cruiser too. That could make them a little more useful...
Any one else starting to get the whole Tier 5 +2? The Armitage had both a unique console and a fighter hangar without giving up much else (not counting the skin or the LtCmr Engi slot). Now this ship, the Regent, comes with a insane eject warp plasma/ka-boom console and a wide arc torpedo launcher which most cruisers would kill for. I have to reflect on the San Paulo and the Tactical Escort Retrofit, both ships must be purchased, one of which is $25 and the other at $15 to get the Cloaking Device and the Phaser Quad Cannons (which right now are epic) for the Defiant experience. The value for newer ships is up to argument, but it is a lot better then that for older ships, I'm almost on the lower the price on some of the older ships.
Another thing to consider and this one sort of bites at me, last major patch (as in last Thursday, Aug. 2nd), the Excelsior was nerfed back to pre season 6. Finally it was a viable ship again to fly at VA, but now it is again a RA ship (hull from 42k, back down to 39k), but it still retains its slight turn advantage over the Assault Cruiser. This essentially makes this really a top tier Tactical Cruiser, far more effective then the Odyssey Star Cruiser, another thing is with the wide arc torp, it can focus its DPS where a cruiser is typically the strongest. Heck, I might have to pick it up just for the torp for my Engi on the Dreadnought (with Subspace Jumer, in place of the Cloak for the Phaser Lance).
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LTS, here since...when did this game launch again?
Note that the torpedo launcher can be equipped on any ship (though only one per ship), so most cruiser will not have to kill for it, neither will escorts or science ships or carriers.
Actually, only the cruisers won't have to kill for it.
Science, Escorts & Carriers still need to shell out 2.5k zen for a ship they won't be using, just to grab one torpedo launcher.
Although, Account-Wide unlock goes a long way towards cushioning the pain.
Your math is incorrect though. Just to poke a hole in the logic, you said the Armitage gets 2k more hull. 2k more than...what? The original T3 Akira? No, that's the base of the ship itself, it's nothing extra.
Also, the Venture skin for the dreadnought is sold separately for 15 dollars. It doesn't come with the dreadnought by default.
Re: Armitage, 2k more than all the other T5 escorts.
Re: Dreadnought, even the base look of the Dread, without the Venture pack, still adds stuff like the 'saucer guns' and the 3rd nacelle; take away the different appearance and the two special abilities, and what seperates the Dread from the Assault Cruiser? 200 crew and a reduced turn rate?
Not sure why people are so exited about the torpedo launcher. It has double the arc, so probably will do less dmg than standard quantum, hence nothing exceptional. We also do not known the cooldown. SO really do not get so exited.
The only thing worth on this ship is probably layout for Sovy fans.
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What, do you people pick these stupid powers out of a hat or something? A release like this should have something MUCH better for me to shell out 25 bucks.
GG on the fail Cryptic. GG.
Stupid powers? Alright, ignoring that, this console is an canon ability from a canon movie, regardless of opinions about that movie. That makes it worth something to many.
Just because you say it's a fail doesn't mean it is one.
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Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
First i'll have to say something i don not say very often about cryptics ship designs. I love this one!!!
It's really cool and flat and looks like it is so fast it breaks through my monitor, even when standing still!
Great Work!
It's BO layout is much better than most other Fed Cruisers IMO, since finally you can use high level Beam Powers. (I am ignoring the T5 Excel on purpose.)
About the Torpedo Launcher: a big help for any Cruiser! But i would have preferred if it where a cruiser only device.
I think it's a really good ship alltogether and should have been in the game much earlier!
I intend to make it my own birthday gift, but i would like to know first if there will be a Fleet version of it. I think it would be a huge dissappointment if i buy that ship and some months later there is a better Fleet version in game i can't get because i am in a very small fleet, which will reach the tier 5 Starbase in 3 years or so.
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First i'll have to say something i don not say very often about cryptics ship designs. I love this one!!!
It's really cool and flat and looks like it is so fast it breaks through my monitor, even when standing still!
Great Work!
It's BO layout is much better than most other Fed Cruisers IMO, since finally you can use high level Beam Powers. (I am ignoring the T5 Excel on purpose.)
About the Torpedo Launcher: a big help for any Cruiser! But i would have preferred if it where a cruiser only device.
I think it's a really good ship alltogether and should have been in the game much earlier!
I intend to make it my own birthday gift, but i would like to know first if there will be a Fleet version of it. I think it would be a huge dissappointment if i buy that ship and some months later there is a better Fleet version in game i can't get because i am in a very small fleet, which will reach the tier 5 Starbase in 3 years or so.
Live long and prosper.
Considering the Fleet Version of the Assault Cruiser isn't in-game, Tribble or otherwise, it might be a safe bet that one is on the way, somehow
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Just wondering if the Mirror Universe skin can be applied to it like on the "normal" Assault Cruiser once you bought the Mirror Star Cruiser. If yes, can we have some screenshots of that as well?
Regent sounds nice, just wish it had gotten a bit better turn rate than the standard Assault Cruiser. I'm in an Oddy now, not sure if the Regent is an 'upgrade' or even a 'sidegrade'.
No +1 console slot to cover the Metreon console.
Same turn rate as old Sovereign. Would rate of 8 be that bad to give it?
I'm dubious on how strong the 180 Q-Torp is gonna be. Wish there was a fore and aft version so we could have 2 yet only have 1 per facing.
A Universal slot that will "have to" be a Sci station, so no real value there. Universal slot is best when you've already given me the basics first!
Sci station went Universal, LC Eng and Lt Tac switched. Not really adding anything.
Really dislike these Tier 5+ ships having a lowly ensign station. Just bump a Lt to a LC station instead. Same # of powers, more power options.
Looks like Cryptic is saving all the good upgrades of the ship for the fleet version. I think I'll have to pass on it for now. The Metreon gas thing isn't worth the $25. Maybe when the Fleet version comes out I'll spend $25 + 1 Fleet Ship Module, for a real upgrade of the Assault Cruiser.
After so long a wait for this refit, I'm disappointed in this one.
I agree... Waiting for this ship from +2 years for finally the same version of the normal ship just with a switch of BO... But of course we need to pay this one for the console/torp for the future Fleet version...
Really this stuff worth 2500z ? The future will tell us, but the truth is this ship price is sent to 3000z for the Fleet version, because buy just the Z-Store version don't give really more of a RA ships (yes, except the console/torp).
So, ok I'm angry at the moment, but I can understood you want to keep the better version for the Fleet version, but the real question/problem is : Why we pay 2500z for this ship when all others VA ships with only 9 consoles are at 2000z ?
I hope the Fleet version will have good reasons to pay this price.
Okay, I'm not a big Sovvy fan... but I'm totally wondering if the Wide Angle Quantum Torpedo Launcher is worth buying the Regent... Looking at the other stats, I'm reasonably impressed.
Console layout's great for a tactical cruiser, turn rate is not bad at all, power mods are good. Not sure whether I care for the Riker console or not... but I want that wide angle torp launcher.
$25 though... I might have to wait for it.
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Ugh Huh, you mean it's only the second worst in cruiser category :rolleyes:
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I'll probably buy the ship Thur afternoon, and report back on the forums what damage can be done with the Riker maneuver against starbase attackers. Im already spec'd into torpedoes.
Capt. Will Conquest of the U.S.S. Crusader
Hmm, upon further introspection, I just realized that the price and availability makes this a VA-only ship. That means there is a good-to-possible chance the torpedo will be levelless.
Although no idea if it will be comparable to a Mk XI or a Mk XII.
What makes this ship different?
Is it because we've been asking for it for so long? Because if I were Cryptic, and I knew that I was about to release a long-requested and highly anticipated ship, I'd charge more than what seems to be the new standard for high level ships.
To be honest, when I first started playing this game last year, I felt rather...meh, about the Sovereign when I got to it. I used my RA-UH token to buy it, but didn't use it a whole lot. In turn, I LOVED the Star Cruiser leaps more than that.
Now though, I will probably fly this beauty around some, not a huge amount, but enough to have fun with the new console, not to mention slapping that torpedo on all three of my Fed characters.
The price is a bit high, true, but it's not higher than what we are used to. Do I wish it had a little more? Yes, but if they are only giving it 9 spaces, than most likely they will give it a Fleet version.
So, I'm certainly sold on this, I can't wait to give the new Vespine Gas...ermm...Metreon Gas console a try.
A lot of it seems to be an issue with what is offered for the price.
The ships you listed seemed to give "more for the money", which has apparently been the goal since the Rhode Island was released.
What is this new Sovereign offering? A different BOff configuration that runs fairly close to the Excelsior, and has a Universal Slot which, pretty much by default, has to be Science anyway (thus making it Universal pretty much in name only as it may as well be a Science Slot). It also has a Special Console of questionable use (which seems to mirror a couple of abilities that already exist), and a weapon that probably won't stack up damage-wise compared to typical endgame weapons based on previously released items of this type (the only level-less items that Cryptic has seen fit to make sure stack up are the beams that came with the Galor... a lockbox ship).
So it's got a pretty "meh" looking BOff set up that's reminiscent of the Excelsior, two questionable items, no extra console slot (in fact the exact same setup as the standard Sovereign), no boosted stats, no free hangars, no integral phaser lance...
... it just doesn't seem to have the "value" that one would expect from the price.
Without getting into the who is right or wrong, just analyzing the logic of the arguments, look at the premium version of any class at each tier, and you generally get a new skin, a different Boff layout, and a premium console. The Armitage also adds 2k hull, a hangar, and an exclusive fighter type. The Odyssey has +3k hull, +15% to shields, a bridge, the enhanced quantum slipstream, and 10 consoles. The Atrox gives you a ship class the federation can't otherwise get, a 4-Boff layout, and an exclusive fighter. The outliers though are the MVAE, which (last I looked) costs the full 2500 and only gets a console and nothing else, and the Dreadnought which has a new skin, the cloak console, and the phaser lance, but no numerical advantages.
So the Regent, with Soverign numbers plus a new skin, 2 abilities, and a boff change, is about the same as what you could expect a premium RA ship to have (maybe a little better since its got 2 toys instead of 1, plus the universal Boff), about the level of the Nebula-R or Defiant-R. It's better value-for-money than the MVAE (in terms of number of extras) or the Dreadnought (which gets abilities but no boff changes), but doesn't have as many goodies as the significant enhancements on the Armitage, Atrox, or Odyssey.
Thats just the mathematical logic though. Personal opinions and values are something else entirely and I want no part of those.
Also, the Venture skin for the dreadnought is sold separately for 15 dollars. It doesn't come with the dreadnought by default.
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I don't know if this has been asked before and it's 7 AM here so I'm not reading all previous pages to find out and since I haven't seen it answered on the dev tracker... The metreon gas console says it can be equipped in the assault cruiser refit and the assault cruiser... and I'm guessing it doesn't since they are not mentioned but I have to ask if it does include any of the mirror ships that come in the lockboxes since one of them is an assault cruiser too. That could make them a little more useful...
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Another thing to consider and this one sort of bites at me, last major patch (as in last Thursday, Aug. 2nd), the Excelsior was nerfed back to pre season 6. Finally it was a viable ship again to fly at VA, but now it is again a RA ship (hull from 42k, back down to 39k), but it still retains its slight turn advantage over the Assault Cruiser. This essentially makes this really a top tier Tactical Cruiser, far more effective then the Odyssey Star Cruiser, another thing is with the wide arc torp, it can focus its DPS where a cruiser is typically the strongest. Heck, I might have to pick it up just for the torp for my Engi on the Dreadnought (with Subspace Jumer, in place of the Cloak for the Phaser Lance).
LTS, here since...when did this game launch again?
Actually, only the cruisers won't have to kill for it.
Science, Escorts & Carriers still need to shell out 2.5k zen for a ship they won't be using, just to grab one torpedo launcher.
Although, Account-Wide unlock goes a long way towards cushioning the pain.
Re: Armitage, 2k more than all the other T5 escorts.
Re: Dreadnought, even the base look of the Dread, without the Venture pack, still adds stuff like the 'saucer guns' and the 3rd nacelle; take away the different appearance and the two special abilities, and what seperates the Dread from the Assault Cruiser? 200 crew and a reduced turn rate?
The only thing worth on this ship is probably layout for Sovy fans.
Just because you say it's a fail doesn't mean it is one.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
First i'll have to say something i don not say very often about cryptics ship designs.
I love this one!!!
It's really cool and flat and looks like it is so fast it breaks through my monitor, even when standing still!
Great Work!
It's BO layout is much better than most other Fed Cruisers IMO, since finally you can use high level Beam Powers. (I am ignoring the T5 Excel on purpose.)
About the Torpedo Launcher: a big help for any Cruiser! But i would have preferred if it where a cruiser only device.
I think it's a really good ship alltogether and should have been in the game much earlier!
I intend to make it my own birthday gift, but i would like to know first if there will be a Fleet version of it. I think it would be a huge dissappointment if i buy that ship and some months later there is a better Fleet version in game i can't get because i am in a very small fleet, which will reach the tier 5 Starbase in 3 years or so.
Live long and prosper.
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no seriously, what means wide angle? and what MK is it and is it purple?
As for mark and rarity, not sure yet, as the ship hasn't been released so far.
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so no sale here !
Sigh... maybe one day there will be a ship which will be good enough to replace my excelsior !!!!
I though to ask if anyone else wanted to do STF runs and PvP in this new ship tomorrow, so I created a chat channel for the ship.
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I agree... Waiting for this ship from +2 years for finally the same version of the normal ship just with a switch of BO... But of course we need to pay this one for the console/torp for the future Fleet version...
Really this stuff worth 2500z ? The future will tell us, but the truth is this ship price is sent to 3000z for the Fleet version, because buy just the Z-Store version don't give really more of a RA ships (yes, except the console/torp).
So, ok I'm angry at the moment, but I can understood you want to keep the better version for the Fleet version, but the real question/problem is :
Why we pay 2500z for this ship when all others VA ships with only 9 consoles are at 2000z ?
I hope the Fleet version will have good reasons to pay this price.
P.S. : I hope my English wasn't too poor.
if read it pal it does say, its a account wide unlock
who thinks this crud up ?
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Console layout's great for a tactical cruiser, turn rate is not bad at all, power mods are good. Not sure whether I care for the Riker console or not... but I want that wide angle torp launcher.
$25 though... I might have to wait for it.
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Ugh Huh, you mean it's only the second worst in cruiser category :rolleyes:
try watching the riker manouver clip again , the female trill navigator DOES turn and glance at riker
cant speak for the audience though
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