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So a while ago a friend and I were talking about the current state of the Klingon faction and the possibility of a Romulan faction. We came to the conclusion that the Klingon are nothing more than a mini faction and that more than likely any Romulan faction would be even less, something like a handful of missions and then you choose to join the Feds or KDF.
Our reasoning was that in order for Cryptic to flush out/create a complete faction, on par with the Feds, they would have to focus entirely on that. Which would mean effectively 'going dark' for 6 months to a year, with the occasional new C-Store item. Which brought up another question.
Would we mind if the Devs took 6-months to a year, or however long it would take, to create a KDF storyline as rich as the Federations?
And both of us agreed that neither of us would mind one bit.
So I thought it would be interesting to see the communities thoughts.
Discuss...
Our reasoning was that in order for Cryptic to flush out/create a complete faction, on par with the Feds, they would have to focus entirely on that. Which would mean effectively 'going dark' for 6 months to a year, with the occasional new C-Store item. Which brought up another question.
Would we mind if the Devs took 6-months to a year, or however long it would take, to create a KDF storyline as rich as the Federations?
And both of us agreed that neither of us would mind one bit.
So I thought it would be interesting to see the communities thoughts.
Discuss...
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hopefully they would put 2 fighter hangers on it too, and let us choose it at level 40
they could just go super slim on it and make all current ships t4 ships.. bop, escort, battleship, dreadnought..
and make the guy start at level 40 and cap at 50 with doff missions for all i care..
For us to understand the state of KDF in the next few months, we need a dev blog that goes indepth on how many missions they plan, any new KDF only zones, and the current state of the tutorial and levels 1-20 mission content. The only thing that seems to be done to a somewhat satisfactory degree for KDF is the Academy, First City, ships, and Fleet Starbase. So they need lots of decent mission content.
The thing is though... if focusing on the KDF doesn't affect the majority of players (in other words, no changes to what they love in the first place), I don't think that's alienating.
It's something, yes, but it's not hating changes to things they love.
And on this thread's note, I'd vote yes
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
For the newer folks, the Drought of 2011 was, to put it briefly, the period during which STO was upgrading all of the story content that existed at the time to work on the level scaling model. This lasted through the summer, well into the fall, and didn't truly lift until F2P launched in January. Exacerbating the problem was a hiring freeze placed on Cryptic at the time, and an NDA that kept them from letting us know what was going on until it was far too late to break the news gently.
If Cryptic went silent for anything, be it a finished KDF faction or a Romulan faction or what ever, we'd see the same thing all over again. The people would be restless, irritable, and most of all, bored. People would leave, and not spend money on the game. And with an F2P model, that's exactly what you don't want.
I guarantee you, a fair number of people will complain even if they did release a complete KDF faction after six months. It'll be stupid stuff like "Six months and all we get is 30 KDF missions? Where's the PvP fixes and crafting revamp? Six months is a long time!" And I can guarantee you this because the majority of regular people playing STO have no idea how long it takes to develop content for a game with developer-level tools.
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I think they have pretty much said that the KDF faction we have is all were going to get.
Yeah, the KDF are basically a catch 22. They don't create KDF only content because there are not a lot of KDF players, because there is not a lot of KDF content there arn't a lot of KDF players.
So TRIBBLE the KDF?
I don't think that was what they were intended to be, its just what they have become.
Maybe you could unlock a faction each rank.. so Klingons at L20, Roms at L30, Cardies at 40, up to Borg at endgame (60? not sure who should come in at 50 tho.. Breen?). with each faction having less "level up" content available to it, so you'd get a Klingon early, and could level them up to 50.. or you could get a Borg at endgame, and have no ability to level them up, and thus there'd be no need for ANY PVE content for the Borg.
But I don't think it's reasonable on ANY level, to expect, or even suggest, that Cryptic stop everything it's doing for 6 months, or a year, or longer, just to make a relatively small portion of the playerbase happy. There are far more people willing to pay for new Fed content, than there are people willing to quit over a lack of non-fed content.
It's simple math.
It's just a hypothetical. Personally, I have no expectations or Cryptic creating a Faction on par with the Federation, KDF or otherwise. In my opinion IF they were to try the only way they could do it would be to dedicate an entire update to it. My only intention for this thread was to see what peoples opinions would be if they did such a thing.
Levels 40 to 50. With at least one escort, one science and one cruiser! Start the mini-factions off as PVP and end game content factions. Such as, factions that would do fleet content and PVP content and STF etc. Then build on them from there and the revenue that they would bring to the gam.e
Those last two are more wishful thinking than anything. Making a new way to play the old game could help all the past content feel a bit more fresh. You will be playing old Fed or KDF content after all.
I'm fine if the faction starts at RA, or even VA. That would save on the need to make ships and missions.
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I think it would be great to finish the KDF to a complete faction experience and start the RSE be another faction for the game that could offer yet even more gameplay.
It would not have to be a "set aside" sort of endevour, just one that they actually put effort into and released overtime.
Many threads have been created and gone over what is desired by the fans of the KDF, and even the RSE, so if the Devs do not know the desires of their customers I can not say if they ever will.
It seems STO is doomed to be a lopsided experience instead of the MMO that could have taken Star Trek into new and interesting directions to explore all the races that we have come to know as well as growing the genres storyline for the majority of the fedfans.
What a pity.
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It would only grow the game. especially if it could be done and then be finished, leaving just the endgame as what needed to be kept up to date for every faction.
One big update to finish the KDF and quiet the fanbase, maybe add some KDF themed STFs for everyone to enjoy.
One big Update to bring the RSE into the game as a full faction, with more RSE themed STFs for everyone to enjoy.
Its a pity that we may be stuck in ever being the afterthought instead of a honest particicpant in STO.
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If one side has more content then the other, this is an imbalance you seldom see fixed, because the side with the most content tends to have the most players. That means they have less reason to assign resources to the smaller faction because that means less people will consume that content.
I think doing nothing Fed side for 6 months will be a bad idea, because 6 months with no new content for the majority of the player base is a bad idea. Why that happens, be it to flesh out the KDF or RSE, or even F2P, simply doesn't matter. Lack of new content is bad.
There's two ways to deal with this however.
One is to work on content for both/all factions perhaps even at the same ratio of the player base, so if the Fed/KDF split is 75/25 then split the resources accordingly. Or think of it as an investment, and hire new people to work on content for the other faction. This is of course a bit of a gamble, but could pay off.
Two is to work on content that all factions can take part in.
Ideally you'll do a bit of both, make new faction specific content as well as joint content, then you'd see the smaller faction eventually catch up.
But players also need to keep in mind that this is a business not a hobby, and as such the Dev's have to do what makes the most sense for the bottom line. If adding in a full blown 1st to 50th KDF storyline doesn't improve the bottom line, then it's not something that they will or even should do.
The cries would come from the KDF the moment any other faction (Fed included) gets anything. Only once the KDF has a 1:1 mission parity with the Federation will the complaints quiet down.
This thread is not about parity or any misguided need for "equality". The vast majority of Romulan fans realize they are extra, an afterthought. Most will be happy simply to be included in some meaningful way. Most Romulan fans do would not care about a "lopsided" game, so long as the ships and powers have a fair chance against the other factions. I think you will find that section of the fanbase to be more grateful and forgiving.
The idea presented in the OP is a workable and meaningful way to include the RSE without unduly burdening the already restricted mission creation flow from the Dev team.
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Sad but true, heck we're seeing implications of this in this thread and its just a hypothetical.
Really? becuase the OP asked this.... So where did you (dunnlang) get the KDF parity idea from my posts? The OP didn't state parity iether, just a richness equal to the feds.
Which can be done without an equal number of missions.
I also was replying to the OP and stated that I agreed with his idea of taking time to finish the KDF. Plus I added that they could do so to lay the whole KDF angst to rest so they could start the RSE.
Heck, I said it could be done overtime so as to not disrupt the feds content flow.
Though I did state the feds would cry if the Devs tried to do a intense work-up on the KDF (in answer to the OPs question). I figured a fed would get sensitive about that, not you.
SO I'm alittle confused by your sudden harshness about my post since it played to what teh OP stated as an idea he and his friend figured would need to be done to create a full faction experience.
But hey, if you RSE guys want to settle for less, thats fine, feel free to do so.
If anything the only whinners in this thread have been a few rude feds saying Hell no and you accussing us KDF fans of being whinners when everyone Klink in this thread has been way more civil about the proposed question than you.
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Yeah, and oddly enough the KDF in here hasn't cried one bit though others certainly jumped on the opportunity to say we would.
Sheesh, can't even give an answer to a question or share an opinion without others blowing TRIBBLE out of proportion.
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You neglect to mention how the F2P model was being designed to alienate Gold Members and how players continued to feed Cryptic while it worked to create a system that did not support those who supported the game for a year and a half. Cryptic and its overlords was all too willing to allow us to think more content was coming, just delayed, when in reality it was being modified for the new system.
Had the announcment come earlier and a system supporting Gold Members better. This game would probably be doing even better then it is now.
If the Klingon faction were generating more revenue Cryptic would have reason to expand the faction, they aren't going to gamble on the possibility that expanding the faction will generate revenue, they already did that creating the faction. It isn't a charity and you can't ask for more unless you are willing to do whatever it takes to make it worth their time. Word of mouth and promises mean absolute zip.
They could bring this character back from DS9 as the one to start the process:
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Ba%27el
At any rate, creating Romulan stories to fill it out and making those accessible to KDF players would do some of what is needed by making a whole faction out of two half-factions.
That should cater to those that want Romulan players and offer up more content for Klingon players.
It's not a perfect solution, but would offer a compromise that should be mutually beneficial. Romulans become a sub-faction of the KDF instead of an independent entity.
So why would they gamble on the RSE?
Frankly they lost out on the KDF because they pooched the faction at launch at the last minute with the sudden end run-around excuse of it being "primarily" PvP. A suddrn decision that rose TRIBBLE storm of protest and distrust among the Klingon fanbase. They further dug themselves deeper into the hole with the poor attemps to correct it, numerous excuses on why the faction was still being overlooked over the last years. Alla followed by the recent complete blaiming of the factions poor following being blaimed on the fans themselves instead of at the feet of Cryptic where it belongs.
Its no wonder the Klingon fanbase still distrusts and holds angst.
So you can take your self righteous holier than thou fed prima donna attitude and choke on it. We KDF fans are certainly not going to
swallow the blaim for something beyond our control and that is Cryptics failt only.
Had they done things right in the first place they would be enjoying a steady KDF revenue stream right now.
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Right. Because we KDF cant dare defend ourselves from some of the ego centric propoganda spouted by the feds without daddy rushing in to quiet us?
The truth hurts and the truth is Cryptic messed us KDF fans over and have been hidkng from it ever since.
They merely got the feds drinking the coolaid now and believing its the KDF fans fault ,to back them up in the story.
Thats a pathetic way to run a company.
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