you remember the feeling you got as you watched the f2p trailer?
what you have expected of the game?
you felt the star trek spirit?
and what became to the game?
we are only toys, cashcows and the only thing what is becoming updated week after week is to make us spending more money.
but i am glad to see that many people noticed, many player woke up and see what happened to "their" game.
are you happier after getting MACO/Omega X/XI/XII?
became the game better with the TRIBBLE newest ship?
a suit for 700 zen?
NO! you feel always this emptyness in your heart! the game stay always the same! it wont become better!
the same is expecting you after upgrading this mega lie of the fleet starbases!
"you dont have to buy the ship" was the first lie before launch of season 6 and not the last.
small fleets are quitting/stoping playing and larger fleets will stop recruiting later cause they dont want share "their" starbase. in the fleets is disharmony and argue. this whole fleetbase thing is a mistake too!
the strategy to shut down the foundry, to make the player concentrating just for the fleetbases hadn't worked. we have noticed the plan!
i am a lifetime subscriber and spent much money to this point already in the game.
i will stop playing for a while and log in in a few weeks/months to see if they became wiser.
maybe some of the developer discover in their heart the spirit and the feeling of star trek again and remember what is important to keep a game alive.
OP, you might want to edit out the part about leaving before a mod closes the thread under the "I Quit" rule. No matter if you say you'll be back later, the rule still applies.
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My alts are in 2 different Fleets - my Fed Fleet with 127 members and my KDF Fleet with 33 members - and neither of them is in "disharmony." And my KDF Fleet is actually ahead of the Fed Fleet.
And the Foundry is not shut down. You can still play Missions. You just can't make more Missions, or change existing Missions, right now. But you can play any of the thousands currently there. And if you have been playing STO any amount of time then you know this isn't the first time a new Season has screwed up the Foundry.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
So you are saying that your fleet has disbanded and you are leaving the game because of it?
Actually. He's Austrian. So his English is funktifying his point. He isn't quitting, just watching those around him become disheartened at the Ferengi-like nature of those running the game, and the impossible tasks with-which players are presented.
in other words, Instead of escaping to the star trek universe for fun upon entering the game, we are met with a world and economy more lonely, cutthroat and terrible than the one offline that we're looking for an escape from.
He also thinks that the fact that he's a lifetime subscriber on 2 accounts and has blown over $800USD on STO this year alone that I've seen that it will in any way impact design to focus on the player's feelings more than simply treating them as a walking wallet.
Actually. He's Austrian. So his English is funktifying his point. He isn't quitting, just watching those around him become disheartened at the Ferengi-like nature of those running the game, and the impossible tasks with-which players are presented.
in other words, Instead of escaping to the star trek universe for fun upon entering the game, we are met with a world and economy more lonely, cutthroat and terrible than the one offline that we're looking for an escape from.
He also thinks that the fact that he's a lifetime subscriber on 2 accounts and has blown over $800USD on STO this year alone that I've seen that it will in any way impact design to focus on the player's feelings more than simply treating them as a walking wallet.
He said "i will stop playing for a while and log in in a few weeks/months to see if they became wiser."
And even a temporary "see you later" post gets closed under the "I Quit" rule. I've seen them do that to many such see you later posts.
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"There is no problem in the universe that can't be solved with a bribe, a paid assassin, or an overpowered fighter." - Chubain from Jumpgate Evolution
If you are unhappy with the way the game is, then just stop playing. I'm sure you have legitimate reasons for feeling the way you do about a lot, as everyone does. Having said that, regardless of how long you have been with the game and how much money you may/may not have spent on it, at this point you have become just another "doom and gloom", ultimatum giving whiner. Do you have any idea how much they will not be paying attenton to anything you have to say in the future because of this? Look at how many people in the past have done this exact thing and nothing has come of it. If you want to "take your ball and go play somewhere else", be my guest, no one is stopping you. But, acting like a child because there are a lot of things you would have done differently makes more people think "Thank God he's gone". You aren't the first to do this and certainly wont be the last, and most people wont even remember who you are or anything about this post in the next few days, and everything will continue as it was before your tantrum.
Join a bigger fleet. There is no point to complain if you made a bad decision staying in a small fleet.
I can't understand why people are constantly blaming the "devs" for their own wrong choices. They complain about the cost of doffs, and it's pretty easy to avoid, but they don't want to spend dilithium either. They complain about small fleets, but they remain in small fleets. They complain about the "grind", but no one will ever force them to "need" what the starbase monster can provide.
He said "i will stop playing for a while and log in in a few weeks/months to see if they became wiser."
And even a temporary "see you later" post gets closed under the "I Quit" rule. I've seen them do that to many such see you later posts.
*shrugs* just translating.
Amusing that there's an "I quit" rule. Especially considering the backlash freely viewable on every dev blog and facebook post they make. Not like you can get bad publicity beyond that.
I don't know that the I Quit rule is still being enforced since the full transition to PWE's forum rules. But, then, I guess enforcement depends on whether or not it gets seen - as the STO forum is somewhat devoid of Moderators right now and Brandon just left for STLV.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
why is it everytime someone has something to say about a season or how the sto and spending real money they are whinning sorry to say the game has strayed far from the the true vision and concept of the nature of star trek bet that is what you get when it is just a bunch of kids that only see the game as it is cool because things blow up and you get to shoot phasers
Join a bigger fleet. There is no point to complain if you made a bad decision staying in a small fleet.
I can't understand why people are constantly blaming the "devs" for their own wrong choices. They complain about the cost of doffs, and it's pretty easy to avoid, but they don't want to spend dilithium either. They complain about small fleets, but they remain in small fleets. They complain about the "grind", but no one will ever force them to "need" what the starbase monster can provide.
This.
And more than this, be careful in joining a fleet. Don't join the first fleet that invites you and don't blindly ask fleets to invite you either.
Get to know them somewhat before joining. Get a sense of who they are and let them get a sense of who you are, and find a good fit.
why is it everytime someone has something to say about a season or how the sto and spending real money they are whinning sorry to say the game has strayed far from the the true vision and concept of the nature of star trek bet that is what you get when it is just a bunch of kids that only see the game as it is cool because things blow up and you get to shoot phasers
You're right, the game has strayed in a lot of ways. It's not the fact (at least for me) that this person is making their opinions known. It's the fact that after all this time, you'd think people would learn posting their opinions in ways such as "this game is TRIBBLE so i'm done" doesnt get them anywhere, and gives the devs less of a reason to view stuff like this. The Grand Nagus has been banned again, for although he brings up valid points, his execution of making said points has gotten him into trouble time and time again.
It's always one of two things; either someone has valid points but brings the wrong light to their posts by the way they portray their thoughts, or people go "this game sucks, i'm done", in which case pretty much everyone else is glad to see them go.
Maybe, if people actually took the time to bring valid points to light without calling the devs everything but white, they might actually take the time to read posts with good ideas and give good replies as to why something can/can't, will/won't be done.
If I was a dev, after reading his post, from a business standpoint, I wouldn't care about someone like him. He's already given them money for LTS and God knows how many other things. Obviously, he wasn't planning on giving them any more money, and they've made all they can off of him.
Everyone once in a while we will see someone with great ideas and whatnot on here and they dont trash the devs. The post is then completely ignored because trolls and people like this guy post immediately after with the same TRIBBLE and the message of the original post ends up lost in the TRIBBLE. I guarantee if you look back through this forum's history, somewhere around 60% of it is "this game suck i'm done" posts. Why would anyone developing a game want to look at that?
you remember the feeling you got as you watched the f2p trailer?
what you have expected of the game?
you felt the star trek spirit?
and what became to the game?
we are only toys, cashcows and the only thing what is becoming updated week after week is to make us spending more money.
but i am glad to see that many people noticed, many player woke up and see what happened to "their" game.
are you happier after getting MACO/Omega X/XI/XII?
became the game better with the TRIBBLE newest ship?
a suit for 700 zen?
NO! you feel always this emptyness in your heart! the game stay always the same! it wont become better!
the same is expecting you after upgrading this mega lie of the fleet starbases!
"you dont have to buy the ship" was the first lie before launch of season 6 and not the last.
small fleets are quitting/stoping playing and larger fleets will stop recruiting later cause they dont want share "their" starbase. in the fleets is disharmony and argue. this whole fleetbase thing is a mistake too!
the strategy to shut down the foundry, to make the player concentrating just for the fleetbases hadn't worked. we have noticed the plan!
i am a lifetime subscriber and spent much money to this point already in the game.
i will stop playing for a while and log in in a few weeks/months to see if they became wiser.
maybe some of the developer discover in their heart the spirit and the feeling of star trek again and remember what is important to keep a game alive.
wish ya all a lot of fun!
Dear Op
I am much happier with my MK XII ground armor. it makes smacking Armek, Rebecca, and Tosk a lot more fun, thanks for asking.
I don't chase the next great ship, but I do wisely purchase the ones I want. (My fed Tac is in a defiant, my Sci an Armitage, My Engineer an Excelsior.) I did get a Tuffi in a Doff Pack and promptly sold it for 59 million credits.
I don't notice the grind. I've turned off system flyby messages and almost never have zone chat running. My fleet is TOS Veterans and I'm proud to say our grind isn't slowing. We use fleet events as social time, Our fleet host PVP and STF nights as well as a "Not a Book Club" where we discuss different Star Trek episodes, movies that share a theme. We are also starting a Foundry Friday Night ( Which I host) I pick 2 or three foundry missions list the particulars ( Fed, Klingon, group, solo, ground, etc) people play them and we discuss story, characters, mapos, tech, etc. Our starbases (Klingon and Fed) are invaluable to facilitate these discussions. Now my suggestion is to stop seeing conspiracies between foundry being offline and starbases, and just play this game the way you want. It's only grindy if you want to grind.
I am very happy with my MACO MKXII gear thank you very much. Yes, it was hard to get it, but at least I got 1 tac and 1 eng with full MACO sets for ground and space... and kicks TRIBBLE.
Am happy with game? Well... yes and no. I am not happy because there is still many bugs (very old bugs) that were never addressed and fixed. It seams like, they do not care anymore.
I am not happy, when this last season it became another grind feast for Fleet Marks, personally I prefer griding STF's then tholians. I have a thing for the borg :eek: "perfection" and that is far away from STO.
I am not happy with the starbase system, it serves nothing then having all the stuff in one place. New Fleet ships? Oh, well, ok I guess they had to find a way to make people spend more money, who can blame them? After all this is a business first.
This is the price to pay for playing a game that become F2P. Oh, and I still pay my 15? every month, still, I keep asking myself why...
I do like the game, otherwise I would not play it, also, I do like the griding and the missions and have something to do. But when you do the same thing over and over, it gets a bit frustrating. Oh, and I am not talking about STF's even if it is a griding feast, the thing is, that on STF's there is a good reward for it, be that the gear from the sets, the dilithium, and even when you have all the gear, you can get more dilithium, doffs and so on.
On the new season, they make sure, it would take alot of time to make a full tier 5 SB. This might not be a great problem for big fleets if everyone grind for the fleet marks. My Fleet is hitting tier 3 already and we are not a big fleet. To get one of the tactical upgrades to get the shipyard to tier 2, it takes 1800 fleet marks, besides the doffs and the rest of the stuff. It is a 3 day project. I wonder when we get to tier 5, or working to unlock tier 5 how much it would require, I bet it will be a lot.
All that for what? A couple of "new" ships, that the only thing they more, is an extra console slot and a very little, and I emphasize the "little" improved stats. Some do not even have better stats then the ones we already bough on the C-Store.
Free ships? Lol, yes big lie, we still need to buy the fleet ship module to get them, so it is not free like they advertise.
I think in some countries, wrong advertising can been seen as a scam... so, may be punished by law... but I am not a lawyer so I will shut up now.
There are many things wrong here since PW came into the game, but there have been some good things also.
In my years of experience playing MMO's, this one, is the worst in community relations, development and game play enhancement.
The first thing for a game company to be worried to have their player base happy is to listen to them, that does not happen here. For me, that is the worst thing any game can have.
I played EVE online for over 5 years, and if I learn something there, is that the player base have a huge impact on the game. They listen, they work with players, they improve the game and they are always fixing bugs. Some of them, that you might not even know they existed! Now, wonder why that game never went F2P....
When a game goes F2P is always a bad sign, that means they have to make money, and that, my fellow captains, is the number 1 priority for this company.
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He is right though, the game has become a money grab by Cryptic/PWE, I've noticed it, the gambling, the grinding, people getting tired of the starbase grind already, prices being way out of whack for things, like the environmental suites, it's gotten worse and worse since the game went free to play, not better.
being a star trek fan is what brought me to this game. i'm not a gamer, never have been.
i think season 6 has been great. i have been playing for 6 months and really enjoy the game. i am in a good fleet with great players that are very friendly. there is no drama at all. base progress is coming along very well. everyone gets along and helps each other.
i posted earlier that bad fleets will fade and good fleets will flourish. i think the fleet base idea was a really good one. i also like the tholians and hope to see some tholian space missions in the future.
i also liked the concept of "free to play" although this game has not been free for me. i'm not complaining at all. i think the entertainment i get from playing STO is a much better deal than going to a movie and spending a fortune on a coke and popcorn.
i keep the game fresh by working towards different goals. i could grind the same mission or missions over and over, but i like to do different things. i do re-run episode missions, exploration, STFs, work towards accolades and many other things. i find i really like trying out different combinations on ships to see for myself what works best.
all companies must turn a profit. would you work for cryptic/PWE free? of course not! the guys that work on this game want paid. i go to work for one reason.....a paycheck. i do what i can to make sure my company stays profitable so i can get that paycheck every single week, well actually 2 weeks.
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"There is no problem in the universe that can't be solved with a bribe, a paid assassin, or an overpowered fighter." - Chubain from Jumpgate Evolution
And the Foundry is not shut down. You can still play Missions. You just can't make more Missions, or change existing Missions, right now. But you can play any of the thousands currently there. And if you have been playing STO any amount of time then you know this isn't the first time a new Season has screwed up the Foundry.
Actually. He's Austrian. So his English is funktifying his point. He isn't quitting, just watching those around him become disheartened at the Ferengi-like nature of those running the game, and the impossible tasks with-which players are presented.
in other words, Instead of escaping to the star trek universe for fun upon entering the game, we are met with a world and economy more lonely, cutthroat and terrible than the one offline that we're looking for an escape from.
He also thinks that the fact that he's a lifetime subscriber on 2 accounts and has blown over $800USD on STO this year alone that I've seen that it will in any way impact design to focus on the player's feelings more than simply treating them as a walking wallet.
He said "i will stop playing for a while and log in in a few weeks/months to see if they became wiser."
And even a temporary "see you later" post gets closed under the "I Quit" rule. I've seen them do that to many such see you later posts.
"There is no problem in the universe that can't be solved with a bribe, a paid assassin, or an overpowered fighter." - Chubain from Jumpgate Evolution
If you are unhappy with the way the game is, then just stop playing. I'm sure you have legitimate reasons for feeling the way you do about a lot, as everyone does. Having said that, regardless of how long you have been with the game and how much money you may/may not have spent on it, at this point you have become just another "doom and gloom", ultimatum giving whiner. Do you have any idea how much they will not be paying attenton to anything you have to say in the future because of this? Look at how many people in the past have done this exact thing and nothing has come of it. If you want to "take your ball and go play somewhere else", be my guest, no one is stopping you. But, acting like a child because there are a lot of things you would have done differently makes more people think "Thank God he's gone". You aren't the first to do this and certainly wont be the last, and most people wont even remember who you are or anything about this post in the next few days, and everything will continue as it was before your tantrum.
I can't understand why people are constantly blaming the "devs" for their own wrong choices. They complain about the cost of doffs, and it's pretty easy to avoid, but they don't want to spend dilithium either. They complain about small fleets, but they remain in small fleets. They complain about the "grind", but no one will ever force them to "need" what the starbase monster can provide.
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
*shrugs* just translating.
Amusing that there's an "I quit" rule. Especially considering the backlash freely viewable on every dev blog and facebook post they make. Not like you can get bad publicity beyond that.
This.
And more than this, be careful in joining a fleet. Don't join the first fleet that invites you and don't blindly ask fleets to invite you either.
Get to know them somewhat before joining. Get a sense of who they are and let them get a sense of who you are, and find a good fit.
This is especially true post season 6.
You're right, the game has strayed in a lot of ways. It's not the fact (at least for me) that this person is making their opinions known. It's the fact that after all this time, you'd think people would learn posting their opinions in ways such as "this game is TRIBBLE so i'm done" doesnt get them anywhere, and gives the devs less of a reason to view stuff like this. The Grand Nagus has been banned again, for although he brings up valid points, his execution of making said points has gotten him into trouble time and time again.
It's always one of two things; either someone has valid points but brings the wrong light to their posts by the way they portray their thoughts, or people go "this game sucks, i'm done", in which case pretty much everyone else is glad to see them go.
Maybe, if people actually took the time to bring valid points to light without calling the devs everything but white, they might actually take the time to read posts with good ideas and give good replies as to why something can/can't, will/won't be done.
If I was a dev, after reading his post, from a business standpoint, I wouldn't care about someone like him. He's already given them money for LTS and God knows how many other things. Obviously, he wasn't planning on giving them any more money, and they've made all they can off of him.
Everyone once in a while we will see someone with great ideas and whatnot on here and they dont trash the devs. The post is then completely ignored because trolls and people like this guy post immediately after with the same TRIBBLE and the message of the original post ends up lost in the TRIBBLE. I guarantee if you look back through this forum's history, somewhere around 60% of it is "this game suck i'm done" posts. Why would anyone developing a game want to look at that?
Dear Op
I am much happier with my MK XII ground armor. it makes smacking Armek, Rebecca, and Tosk a lot more fun, thanks for asking.
I don't chase the next great ship, but I do wisely purchase the ones I want. (My fed Tac is in a defiant, my Sci an Armitage, My Engineer an Excelsior.) I did get a Tuffi in a Doff Pack and promptly sold it for 59 million credits.
I don't notice the grind. I've turned off system flyby messages and almost never have zone chat running. My fleet is TOS Veterans and I'm proud to say our grind isn't slowing. We use fleet events as social time, Our fleet host PVP and STF nights as well as a "Not a Book Club" where we discuss different Star Trek episodes, movies that share a theme. We are also starting a Foundry Friday Night ( Which I host) I pick 2 or three foundry missions list the particulars ( Fed, Klingon, group, solo, ground, etc) people play them and we discuss story, characters, mapos, tech, etc. Our starbases (Klingon and Fed) are invaluable to facilitate these discussions. Now my suggestion is to stop seeing conspiracies between foundry being offline and starbases, and just play this game the way you want. It's only grindy if you want to grind.
Am happy with game? Well... yes and no. I am not happy because there is still many bugs (very old bugs) that were never addressed and fixed. It seams like, they do not care anymore.
I am not happy, when this last season it became another grind feast for Fleet Marks, personally I prefer griding STF's then tholians. I have a thing for the borg :eek: "perfection" and that is far away from STO.
I am not happy with the starbase system, it serves nothing then having all the stuff in one place. New Fleet ships? Oh, well, ok I guess they had to find a way to make people spend more money, who can blame them? After all this is a business first.
This is the price to pay for playing a game that become F2P. Oh, and I still pay my 15? every month, still, I keep asking myself why...
I do like the game, otherwise I would not play it, also, I do like the griding and the missions and have something to do. But when you do the same thing over and over, it gets a bit frustrating. Oh, and I am not talking about STF's even if it is a griding feast, the thing is, that on STF's there is a good reward for it, be that the gear from the sets, the dilithium, and even when you have all the gear, you can get more dilithium, doffs and so on.
On the new season, they make sure, it would take alot of time to make a full tier 5 SB. This might not be a great problem for big fleets if everyone grind for the fleet marks. My Fleet is hitting tier 3 already and we are not a big fleet. To get one of the tactical upgrades to get the shipyard to tier 2, it takes 1800 fleet marks, besides the doffs and the rest of the stuff. It is a 3 day project. I wonder when we get to tier 5, or working to unlock tier 5 how much it would require, I bet it will be a lot.
All that for what? A couple of "new" ships, that the only thing they more, is an extra console slot and a very little, and I emphasize the "little" improved stats. Some do not even have better stats then the ones we already bough on the C-Store.
Free ships? Lol, yes big lie, we still need to buy the fleet ship module to get them, so it is not free like they advertise.
I think in some countries, wrong advertising can been seen as a scam... so, may be punished by law... but I am not a lawyer so I will shut up now.
There are many things wrong here since PW came into the game, but there have been some good things also.
In my years of experience playing MMO's, this one, is the worst in community relations, development and game play enhancement.
The first thing for a game company to be worried to have their player base happy is to listen to them, that does not happen here. For me, that is the worst thing any game can have.
I played EVE online for over 5 years, and if I learn something there, is that the player base have a huge impact on the game. They listen, they work with players, they improve the game and they are always fixing bugs. Some of them, that you might not even know they existed! Now, wonder why that game never went F2P....
When a game goes F2P is always a bad sign, that means they have to make money, and that, my fellow captains, is the number 1 priority for this company.
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No one cares, even Cryptic doesn't really care because they only really want new players to keep joining.
i think season 6 has been great. i have been playing for 6 months and really enjoy the game. i am in a good fleet with great players that are very friendly. there is no drama at all. base progress is coming along very well. everyone gets along and helps each other.
i posted earlier that bad fleets will fade and good fleets will flourish. i think the fleet base idea was a really good one. i also like the tholians and hope to see some tholian space missions in the future.
i also liked the concept of "free to play" although this game has not been free for me. i'm not complaining at all. i think the entertainment i get from playing STO is a much better deal than going to a movie and spending a fortune on a coke and popcorn.
i keep the game fresh by working towards different goals. i could grind the same mission or missions over and over, but i like to do different things. i do re-run episode missions, exploration, STFs, work towards accolades and many other things. i find i really like trying out different combinations on ships to see for myself what works best.
all companies must turn a profit. would you work for cryptic/PWE free? of course not! the guys that work on this game want paid. i go to work for one reason.....a paycheck. i do what i can to make sure my company stays profitable so i can get that paycheck every single week, well actually 2 weeks.