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dalnar83
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So...when they will offer it ? With the added lockbox ships that overshadow every "old ship", with their buff "so they are competitive with fleet ships". I wonder when Fleet Dreadnought will be introduced ?
The spinal lance probably counts as a console, so it is hard to tell if it should get 10th console, although another tac console would be tasty. Since Fleet Heavy Escort Carriers got 10th console even thought they have hanger, I see no reason why it shouldn't get 10 console, as it has horrible turn rate.
It is not like the overpowered bug, who got extra console even in it's former awesomeness. :rolleyes:
However it really could use HPS/Shield boost and maybe a little competitive BO layout so it is not overshadowed by the fleet ships.
+10% hull
+10% shields
saucer separation possibility
D'Kora bridge officer layout to make it more punchy
And you might even ask me for 2 fleet supplies (6 if brand new) for it.
The spinal lance probably counts as a console, so it is hard to tell if it should get 10th console, although another tac console would be tasty. Since Fleet Heavy Escort Carriers got 10th console even thought they have hanger, I see no reason why it shouldn't get 10 console, as it has horrible turn rate.
It is not like the overpowered bug, who got extra console even in it's former awesomeness. :rolleyes:
However it really could use HPS/Shield boost and maybe a little competitive BO layout so it is not overshadowed by the fleet ships.
+10% hull
+10% shields
saucer separation possibility
D'Kora bridge officer layout to make it more punchy
And you might even ask me for 2 fleet supplies (6 if brand new) for it.
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The reason Cryptic did not think of bringing the Fleet Dreadnought because the so stuck on the Odyssey like its the greatest thing ever. I don't like that ship no matter how many pieces of it you try to sell to me. They already have 5 whole versions of it, and now they trying to sell the little aft ship separately and call it the "Fleet Deystroyer." Get the "F" out of here with that! What next, a separated Oddy sauser ship they gonna try to sell us and call it a "Fleet something?"
Never say never, because you will never get money from customers that you "ticked off."
I'm not the only ticked off customer, check out my thread about "Fleet Ships," there are plenty of ticked off cusomers in there. Everybody agrees both from Fed and KDF sides, that there is no need for upgraded versions of the new ships since they already came with buffs and pluses. Its the old ships and the canon ships that need upgrades to stay competive with the new ships. People have their set favorites and are not happy when the Devs try to replace them with some ships that only Devs like. People want to keep their ships or same style of ship. If you want make upgrades, give every class a chance to upgrade, not just new ships.
She's not a fly, point, shoot, win ship. She's an advanced learning curve ship that takes a LOT of patience to learn and master her true power.
[Unrepentant] Lapo@overlapo: the problem with space STF
is that you can't properly teabag your defeated opponent
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simultaniously a fleet version of the dreadnought will be added. Ofcourse i have no real evidence for that claims, but i have a good feeling :rolleyes:
[Unrepentant] Lapo@overlapo: the problem with space STF
is that you can't properly teabag your defeated opponent
Unrepentant: Home of the Rainbow Warrior and the Rainbow Brigade.
I won't pretend to understand the policy of Fleet ships. Especially when not a single ship KDF side gets a discount while a host of FED ships do. But hey if people stop playing Klingons they will stop complaining about it being insanely biased.
No Console T5 ship? No Fleet Ship. And no Kar'Fi but let's ignore the fact that it's a T5 ship with a Console. Let's also point out here that the Dreadnought is a T5 Console ship, the cloaking device is a Console right?
So the real reason it's not getting a Fleet version is because despite not getting a 10% Hull and Shield Buff it must still be pretty competitive against the Fleet Ships, which one would have to assume both the Kar'Fi and Garumba must also be.
Either that or they are pacing the release of the "Fleet Everything Else".
If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why.
When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
The Dread needs some love. Some serious love. Devs hope you have eyes on this,
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
1) Teamwork and timing is #1
2) You cannot "Kirk It" in every ship
3) You are going to die, just get back up
The cloak is not a plus because you don't get combat cloak ability and you can't use it on other ships that don't cloak. Lance shotgun would be weaker then the full lance, so how is that a plus? Giving a console slot and then filling it with the ship's natural ability is not giving us a slot at all. It's trick to make you think you are getting something new.
The Dreadnought will not be competitive to the new Fleet T5 ships because is not getting HP and shield boost, or another console slot. The Fleet Galaxy R is getting hull and shield boost along with +5 to all systems. Oh yeah, an added Eng console slot on top of already having a slot for sauser separation. In turn it will have better survivability than the Galaxy X.
Fleet Galaxy -R
44,000 Hull
shild mod 1.1
+5 all systems
5 ENG consoles
3 Sci sonsoles Sauser separation
2 Tac consoles
Galaxy Dreanought
40,000 Hull
shield mod 1 (lance with 40% accuracy)
4 Eng consoles
2 Sci consoles
3 Tac consoles cloak
Now you tell me how does that make the Galaxy Dread better or up to par with the Fleet Galaxy R?
The Galaxy Dreadnought needs to have a fleet vesion or an all around upgrade because its supposed to outgun and be tougher than the Galaxy. Why else would it outlast two Galaxies in "All Good Things?"
Is more tanky than the Dreadnought? Sure, but the difference is so negligible that I wouldn't waste my time nor money on it.
Saucer separation would make you less tanky by the way, it cuts down your HP by 15%.
Oh and let's not forget the useless Eng ensign slot that it has...
[Unrepentant] Lapo@overlapo: the problem with space STF
is that you can't properly teabag your defeated opponent
Unrepentant: Home of the Rainbow Warrior and the Rainbow Brigade.
3 things to consider for you and other who want a fleet dreadnought.
1) galaxy R, was in it's c-store variant the most undesireable ship looking at stats (not esthetics)
pepping it up to the cruiser with the most HP (only a little bit more than the Oddy though) was cryptics choice to give it an edge again as a fleet version of the same ship. In my opinion without the universal ensign which was "demanded", they failed in delivering a competitive cruiser...again.
2) galaxy R fleet version has 10 console slots...1 must be consider occupiet for saucer seperation. But if somebody would use it a s a support/tank ship the saucer sep should be exchanged with something more tanky. i mean the sentiment behind the 10 consoles in fleet versions is great, in my opinion it clearly gives it the edge needed to be more desireable than normal T5 ships, but still not making them totally OP. They made them OP by adding HP, and shield strength.
3) we may not even be looking at the final list of fleet ships yet. there will be additions in future. It will be for sure a lvl 5 shipyard ship...so lets see when your fleets hit lvl 5 shipyards what kind of ships are available in 4-6 month.
Pay to win... gotta love it.
Guild Wars 2...! WE NEED YOU!
"Yes, I fly a Galaxy-X... and yes, I just 1-shotted you with it." -- Alcione@Hakaishin
Star trek fans have allways been those kind of fans that payed 10 times the worth of something...only because there was star trek printed on it. same thing goes here...nothing unexpected.
but if you consider that you can actually get anything in this game without a dime...your statement is rendered mute.
...You know what. You're absolutely correct.
Thank you.
P.S. bud... it's "moot". Not mute. Morons, gotta love 'em. They're everywhere, and just happen to converge all on one central point called, "STO PvE".
"Yes, I fly a Galaxy-X... and yes, I just 1-shotted you with it." -- Alcione@Hakaishin
Never the less it is possible...
In the particular case of fleet ship "things" (forgot the word) it is even possible to buy them via the exchange...which makes it less boring to grind for them.
anyway...you are right about the monotony of the content and the time spent to get to the desired stuff, but time is exactly the kind of resources that shouldn't be considered when playing a game. It is meant to be a time killer.
PS: thank you for correcting my spelling, much appreciated. If you should have problems with german words, i would be glad to help.:)
PPS: lovely how you asume that i only do PVE
_I wish Dev team listen the players if they read this
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=257999
The game will have a full new life and player can choose what ever he wants to upgrade and pvp gointo be a new chalenge becs no one will no what figting oinly looking the hull shape of a ship.
But only god knows when they will listen her costumers
oh yeah that was an epic and well thought out idea/plan...but i think that train is long gone. why? cryptic has found a way how they can sell you the same ship 2 times...fleet ships, and the customers will still say thank you.
anyway, i got my fleet ship tokens rdy...just waiting for my fleet to actually reach the level needed.
Until then we can have a nice funeral for all the great ideas along the way to season 6 that got killed off.
[Unrepentant] Lapo@overlapo: the problem with space STF
is that you can't properly teabag your defeated opponent
Unrepentant: Home of the Rainbow Warrior and the Rainbow Brigade.
Meh, "moot" is to say invalid, whereas "mute" is to say silent.
Your argument was one made continuously by the PvE base, forgive the assumption.
They enjoy the ridiculous nonsense of killing the same Tactical Cube 50,000,000,000 times. So for them, that's a no-brainer.
I grew accustomed to Guild Wars, whereas I could simply start up the game for the first time and immediately be fully competitive in PvP with no power disadvantage.
I never once had to pay for power, or waste years of farming PvE in order to gain PvP effectiveness.
It too was a F2P game.
That said, there are FAR better ways to go about it than PWE's example.
Never should a PvPer be FORCED to PvE. Hell, a game you should never be FORCED to do anything you find to be boring or not fun.
Guild Wars 2 follows the example of its predecessor. I can open the box and start PvPing immediately with no loss in power. I don't have to waste my time that companies pay ridiculous salaries for doing something I can't stand, when it is supposed to be fun, JUST to get to what I want.
Naturally that is where I will be.
"Yes, I fly a Galaxy-X... and yes, I just 1-shotted you with it." -- Alcione@Hakaishin
I for one kind of like the idea DCUO has. PVP gear for PVPers, and PVE gear for PVE players. This way if you want to PVP, you never have to do PVE content if you don't want to. If you do PVE and want to PVP, then you gotta earn it, like every other PVPer out there.
[Unrepentant] Lapo@overlapo: the problem with space STF
is that you can't properly teabag your defeated opponent
Unrepentant: Home of the Rainbow Warrior and the Rainbow Brigade.
I love you.
"Yes, I fly a Galaxy-X... and yes, I just 1-shotted you with it." -- Alcione@Hakaishin
Even SWTOR has PVP and PVE gear which are seperate. That is just about to go fully f2p this month.
Yes it has its quirks and failings, but none compare to fail that STO is in right now. Hell I am even going to stay a subscriber to it and that shows my faith in the game.
The only reason I am still here is because of my lifetime. If I didn't have that, well you know
The Dread is the best cruiser in the game but it needs some serious love? That's a complete contradiction.
It's 4 Odyssey's just because you now have to pay for a ship that was given away free at an event doesn't make the now paid one a new ship, it's a pay ship that had a limited free release.
I did not say the Cloak was a good Console (but it is, if you know how to use it) I said the ship came with a Console and so fitted the Criteria of being able to be a Fleet Ship. The Cloaking Device is on par with the Ablative Armour, Multi Vector Module, Point Torpedo Defence and any other 1 ship only console I missed. And they got Fleet version.
I never said that the Dreadnought will be competitive I implied Cryptic must think that, badly apparently.
The Gal-R is considered one of the worst ships in this game even in Fleet form vs one of the Best Cruisers in the game? That's the comparison your going to make? Nobody would pick a Fleet Gal-R over the dreadnought for competitive play. Oh BTW the Fleet version doesn't come with Saucer Separation, it can use the console if you have it; that means it's there for people who own the Gal-R to get a cheap upgrade.
I don't know how balanced the game is, I would hope that they continue to balance the game so that a Free T5 Sovereign is as competitive as a Gal-X or a Fleet Gal-R. And I can tell you I'd take the other two ships over the Fleet Gal-R
If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why.
When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
Ok you really DONT know your ships and its pretty clear you will type anything to try to sound good.
1st thing is the Dreadnought is a ENG ship and ALL ENG ships get +5 to all subsystems!
-Next the dreadnought is a ENG/TAC ship, the Fleet Galaxy R is a ENG/SCI ship the +.1 to the shields is what the non-fleet Galaxy R should have had but didnt get, more likely for the same reason the Star Cruiser didn't.
-The Dreadnought's lance turned into a "shotgun" with saucer separation not a good thing? Are you kidding me?!? Yes it will hit weaker when compared to the normal lance when compared to both hitting ONE target, but maybe you should learn the difference between a SHOTGUN and a RIFLE and what both are best for before you start the QQ'in.
-The lance getting turned into a console is a troll the you fell slap into and its kinda funny, the dreadnought has a console already but since you dont seem to know much bout cruisers this doesnt amaze me. Plus the saucer separation is a console (that can go in any slot) also so getting another ENG (well any) slot IS NOT changing anything other giving you one more choice of what you can do in a fight with the dreadnought.
-Im not even going to go into how dumb you look when you were QQ'in about the cloak.
I want a fleet dreadnought too.... alittle more hp, saucer separation console, and 1 more ENG slot, being able to choose the energy weapon type my lance is annnnnnd BOOM im happy and so is everyone else that knows wth they are doing when they play a dreadnought. Everyone else plz plz plz just L2P and stop looking for a "i win" ship.
AND FOR THE LAST TIME CRUISERS ARE ENG SHIPS lol, well except for 2 of the c-store odys XD
+5 to subs = eng ship
target subsystems = sci ship
+15 to weapons = tac ship
soooo =P
you would be still be playing cause its F2P. lolz@you
No I'd argue that all the Odysseys are Engineering Cruisers, despite the slightly more tactical or slightly more scientific bents the various models have.
If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why.
When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
Nope, I would not be. The ftp option in this game is pitiful, so its lolz @ you actually :rolleyes: