This I fly the T5 Heavy Cruiser retrofit, With the T5 versions of the T1 and T2 it will cause a bit of confusion. Just because someone is in one of these ship dont assume check to make sure.
As to the OP Vote to Kick? No, just no.
there are no T5 versions of the T1 ships. they just added it to the fleet store so that people could purchase one if they dismissed it (for ship collectors)
I vote no, on kick button that well be abusede by the factions to get rid of the other side they dont want in the match, or any lowbies. Its a very bad idea to be used by the elitist in the game. There is already enough bias as it is, this well just give them nore power to abuse.
so you like take 20 to 40 mins longer in thes dont for get some of thes are on a time limit on them im sorry if i have got to do the good old age sto grind fest i dont need low lvls slowing it up or ppl in constitution's trying to show off
and again if cryptic dose there job to the ppl who would miss use it like they do all ready to the ppl who miss use the report spam they would get banned
Not quite. It is the majority rules no? There would be no way to make it fair. Also... low levels cannot access high level events (unless via bug, and that's an entirely different, much bigger problem), trolls in low tier ships hardly ever happen (I have never born witness to such an act), and people would throw a fit over teamates "rainbow boating" over someone using the blue phasers with normal coloured phasers (I have seen that happen, more than once).
I vote no, on kick button that well be abusede by the factions to get rid of the other side they dont want in the match, or any lowbies. Its a very bad idea to be used by the elitist in the game. There is already enough bias as it is, this well just give them nore power to abuse.
Oh yeah... I forgot about that one. Thank you for bringing it up Zevy.
I'm a VA and I'll fly whatever ship I want, thank you. If you want an uber-elite DPS-fest, make your own group. I'm not here to play by your standards - I'm here to play how I want.
I'm with the "no thanks" crowd on this one. Open vote to kick systems are very easily abused, and it leads to people kicking members of the group for stupid reasons, even reasons as stupid as "he killed more guys than me".
I started the fleet events on my tactical character when she flew an Akira (she has a Defiant now). Sometimes I might blow up sooner than someone flying a Tier 5 ship, but I'm also doing a fair amount of damage. But there are people who would vote to kick me just because I'm not level 50 (even though it's open to nearly everyone).
STFs and Fleet Events are already full of abuse by people who take this game far too seriously. Or people whose sole reason for playing is TRIBBLE with the enjoyment of others. Giving either group one more way to harass and bully other players is not going to solve the issue. No matter how many qualifiers or conditions you place on such an idea, someone will find a way to exploit the situation to their advantage. A simple solution is to only play STFs and Fleet Events with people you know and trust as private missions. Please notice I said, "simple". Not "convenient". Not always practical, I know. Like most of us, when I want my STF fix, I want it rightnow. My buddies in Hong Kong and Smolensk may be at work or sleeping right now.
All this being said, I do think there should be a little effort towards policing of the game by the Powers That Be. They could stop some of the more outrageous examples of leeching and abuse by paying a little more attention.
BTW, Bravo to the guy in this thread who talked the opposing team into letting him crush the camper. A novel solution to an all too common problem.
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I'm on the fence with this one. How many of us have been in elite STF's where one player didn't have enough damage to help the team but had just enough to TRIBBLE up the game? I'd love to have vote to kick for those players who blow a generator early on Infected Space Elite, are told to please not do that again, and then do it again on the other side. I tend to prefer anonymous pick-up games to organized fleet-run STF's, but unfortunately there are days when one runs into a whole slew of bad games. I remember arguing once with a player who didn't understand why I was getting upset about a bad elite STF that I estimated was going to take 45 minutes to complete (an average game should be over in a third of that time, IMHO), asked why I couldn't just cool it and play the game, and called me an "elitist." My reply? "Well, this IS an 'elite' STF." And that's the thing, there ARE "normal" STF's for people to train with. I don't flip out when players can't rip through the STF like clockwork. I complain when players do not listen to team chat, take on a job like guarding and do not ask for help when they are about to lose the optional, blow generators or gates early despite prior pleading by multiple teammates not to do so, and so forth. I also get flat-out bored when a game takes three times an average length to complete!
How many votes would be required to kick, though? I would say at least 3 (in a 5-person team). Or maybe it could require 4 votes to kick, unless a player has been kicked from a recent game, in which case the threshold drops to 3, or even 2 if a player has been kicked an awful lot. I'm sure there's ways to tweak the system so it is at least fair in most cases.
On the flipside, I rather like leaving things fairly open and simple and free from the possibility of aggressive abuse. You're more likely to run into noobs than trolls in PvE, which is the better situation.
As for actual VA's taking "bad" ships into PvE...if you are an expert at something, there's a good chance you can at least match or even outdamage the average player in as low as a Tier 1 ship. I did one run of all three elite space STF's in the NX-class light escort just to see what would happen (was probably having a frustrating day, lol!) and did...well...about average. Placed 2nd, 5th, and 3rd for damage done according to my combatlog parser. In a higher-tier ship, or on Normal, well...it's not griefing if you do just as well as anyone else, is it? Not that I'd make a habit of purposely doing less than 100%...the one time I just wanted to sort of prove a point. Also, I've almost never seen another VA take anything less than a Tier 5 ship into PvE in a public game, so I don't think this is a common problem.
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funny to me this works for world of war craft well im not saying one person make well make the deciding factor when ues it like wow dose when i hit vote to kick i have to give a good reason to do so for after i hit submit it pops up to every one in that zonce with my reason and every one there has the RIGHT to hit yes or no did i say every one? if nos out number me well guess what i didnt have a good enuff reason and with this ide it can works with out being abused as much as yall like to say if cryptic dose there job and banned the ppl who miss use it words get around you get a banned for 5 days for miss useing it dont think many will do so
has to space war craft its a bad word on here lmao
I say no to a kick vote, if you want any group content in this game to have a chance at being perfect, join a fleet and only do those events with that fleet.
Joining a PUG you accept the chance you might get a player that is not as well geared as you, or they might not be as skilled as you, or they might not have a good understanding of the English language as you. People would be kicked for those reasons if a vote to kick was allowed.
I can take instructions from people but in the past I have had idiots/elitists screaming down the mic when something has gone wrong..... so now I don't use the voice chat, I have had people typing out insults in groups because I have not been up to their standards. But I guess that's all part of the tinternet, people are brave sat behind their computers. Going off topic now.
A Vote to kick in open grouping would be abused.....
Edited to add a little more:
I can see why vote to kick might be useful in an STF, if a VA turns up in a T2 Constitution that could be a problem. All group content should have a VA only option for those that don't want to help the lower levels in group content such as Fleet actions and fleet missions, and that VA option could have vote to kick the clown that turns up in a T2 ship.
I do the "reverse" vote whenever I get placed into a team with some useless low-level toon, a VA with a low-tier ship or an afk-leecher. I simply wait until the encounter has started, tell them my opinion about them and warp out.
Fleet actions don?t seem to have a lockout, so I can just rejoin and when leaving an STF and getting the penalty buff, I just wait or keep playing with one of my other 12 toons.
I?m certainly done helping random lowbobs, leechers or trolls getting fleet marks, EDCs or dilithium.
Today I played two fleet actions (Fleet Defense) and they were hampered by a VAdm in a Tier 2 ship in one of the other teams that was playing with. If you want to be Billy-kick -A$$ do it somewhere else Public Fleet Actions and STFs are not the place to do this nonsense and hampers enjoyment of other players wondering why it?fs taking so long to complete some of the mission. We need to enable a Public cross team Vote to kick to get rid of these players to keep these nuisances away from the more serious players.
well the other day did one aguy came in a shuttle and was braging wee see me im in a shuttle thinking it was quet or funny , but for the vote to kick isnt a godd idea eather it something also that could be easily abused
I'm a VA and I'll fly whatever ship I want, thank you. If you want an uber-elite DPS-fest, make your own group. I'm not here to play by your standards - I'm here to play how I want.
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there are no T5 versions of the T1 ships. they just added it to the fleet store so that people could purchase one if they dismissed it (for ship collectors)
Not quite. It is the majority rules no? There would be no way to make it fair. Also... low levels cannot access high level events (unless via bug, and that's an entirely different, much bigger problem), trolls in low tier ships hardly ever happen (I have never born witness to such an act), and people would throw a fit over teamates "rainbow boating" over someone using the blue phasers with normal coloured phasers (I have seen that happen, more than once).
Oh yeah... I forgot about that one. Thank you for bringing it up Zevy.
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I started the fleet events on my tactical character when she flew an Akira (she has a Defiant now). Sometimes I might blow up sooner than someone flying a Tier 5 ship, but I'm also doing a fair amount of damage. But there are people who would vote to kick me just because I'm not level 50 (even though it's open to nearly everyone).
All this being said, I do think there should be a little effort towards policing of the game by the Powers That Be. They could stop some of the more outrageous examples of leeching and abuse by paying a little more attention.
BTW, Bravo to the guy in this thread who talked the opposing team into letting him crush the camper. A novel solution to an all too common problem.
How many votes would be required to kick, though? I would say at least 3 (in a 5-person team). Or maybe it could require 4 votes to kick, unless a player has been kicked from a recent game, in which case the threshold drops to 3, or even 2 if a player has been kicked an awful lot. I'm sure there's ways to tweak the system so it is at least fair in most cases.
On the flipside, I rather like leaving things fairly open and simple and free from the possibility of aggressive abuse. You're more likely to run into noobs than trolls in PvE, which is the better situation.
As for actual VA's taking "bad" ships into PvE...if you are an expert at something, there's a good chance you can at least match or even outdamage the average player in as low as a Tier 1 ship. I did one run of all three elite space STF's in the NX-class light escort just to see what would happen (was probably having a frustrating day, lol!) and did...well...about average. Placed 2nd, 5th, and 3rd for damage done according to my combatlog parser. In a higher-tier ship, or on Normal, well...it's not griefing if you do just as well as anyone else, is it?
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has to space war craft its a bad word on here lmao
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There are enough people out there how willfully come into Elite STFs just to blast the game for the rest of the group.
if we do get vote to kick I will ALWAYS vote no unless the person being voted on is any of the below
1 a dental
2 a VA in a team of lower ranks
3 Called "janeway" "picard" "kirk" "sisko" or "archer"
4 is openly swearing
Joining a PUG you accept the chance you might get a player that is not as well geared as you, or they might not be as skilled as you, or they might not have a good understanding of the English language as you. People would be kicked for those reasons if a vote to kick was allowed.
I can take instructions from people but in the past I have had idiots/elitists screaming down the mic when something has gone wrong..... so now I don't use the voice chat, I have had people typing out insults in groups because I have not been up to their standards. But I guess that's all part of the tinternet, people are brave sat behind their computers. Going off topic now.
A Vote to kick in open grouping would be abused.....
Edited to add a little more:
I can see why vote to kick might be useful in an STF, if a VA turns up in a T2 Constitution that could be a problem. All group content should have a VA only option for those that don't want to help the lower levels in group content such as Fleet actions and fleet missions, and that VA option could have vote to kick the clown that turns up in a T2 ship.
P.S. Happy now Hera?
Fleet actions don?t seem to have a lockout, so I can just rejoin and when leaving an STF and getting the penalty buff, I just wait or keep playing with one of my other 12 toons.
I?m certainly done helping random lowbobs, leechers or trolls getting fleet marks, EDCs or dilithium.
well the other day did one aguy came in a shuttle and was braging wee see me im in a shuttle thinking it was quet or funny , but for the vote to kick isnt a godd idea eather it something also that could be easily abused
If that's your attitude, then don't be surprised when people call for tools and mechanisms to stop you from ruining their gameplay.