Note: The role of the Dreadnought is to engage large tactical cruisers, flagships, carriers, and other support vessels with superior firepower and the ability to sustain significant damage from enemy escorts as it closes to effective range.
At point-blank range, the Dreadnought's firepower advantage is reduced by a lack of manuverability. However, the Dreadnought is able to assume a limited tactical support role for the escorts that normally accompany it into battle with its damage control capabilities and can continue to engage the larger and slower support ships of the enemy.
Ill take one in KDF patina green with all the angulor bits we enjoy.
Though basically it appears to a ody/borti with Tactical primary/ engineer secondary setup.
What would its Cap be, lance for fed-autocannon for KDF?
im just against battleships for the feds :rolleyes:
even in a state of war the federation very rarely makes combat only ships ( unless you go into the FASA stuff )
im just against battleships for the feds :rolleyes:
even in a state of war the federation very rarely makes combat only ships ( unless you go into the FASA stuff )
Well the whole starfleet is a peacekeeping armada first exploration second is out the window.
Its not Gs ST in STO.
I do wish the standard KDF battlecruiser line was less Eng heavy and a tad more tac as whole.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
Well the whole starfleet is a peacekeeping armada first exploration second is out the window.
I did some pondering on this subject and that of the Galaxy-X. It's still the closest thing to a battleship we have, and it still all the battleship qualifications. Except for two. It's ability to stealth, and it's forward firing guns give it qualities....
...Not unlike a submarine. I guess that's why a lot of people disregard it as a battleship, which is kind of understandable. It does make sense in a way, and still fits in the "Peacekeeping Armada" mentality that Starfleet still has.
So we have battleship/submarine hybrid rather than a pure battleship. (But don't care that much, I'm still calling it a battleship. :P)
Perhaps the Typhoon and Jupiter can fill that hole perhaps?
Really what keeps a cruiser from being a battleship is the weapons available.
A battleship is a heavily armed and armored vessel, The cruisers in STO are indeed heavily armored but dont exactly have staggering firepower. Currently the biggest guns in the game only fire in one direction and the more omni directional weapons lack punch on their own. Without some kind of heavy weapon that has a large enough targeting arc to be effective on a slow turning vessel there will never be a true battleship.
If there were such a weapon it wouldn't have to be as powerful as heavy cannons and it should be restricted from smaller vessels. Possibly being restricted to battleships only.
I'd say somthing with at least a 180 degree arc but no more than 220 with damage near that of a dual beam bank but perhaps with a slower fire rate since these are meant to be spike damage weapons. maybe with enhanced critical damage or chance mods like heavy cannons get.
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Again, that is a dreadnaught 'cruiser.' Accept that some of us might like a little more variety, or don't.
Evidently you elect not to use the Dreadnaught you were provided. Your loss.
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Ok. I have just spent a decent amount of time reading through EVERY post. My 2 cents.
1. I am really surprised that nobody has talked about the Jupiter Dreadnought. The build that was selected on the Jupiter thread was a battleship that was balanced. (I will post a link once I find it again.)
2. Till the devs add that, which I doubt sadly, again nobody really touched on this. Carriers? anybody? Look, carriers CAN mount dual heavy cannons, have great tanking, and have fighters. I use the Atorx carrier, first or second in the most hull heath, and the most shields. I am one of the few people who uses dual heavy cannons, I really don't care if you don't think that is a good idea.
3. If you dont like the Atrox, then get the Recluse Carrier and put a com. tac in the U-slot. still has fighers, lost of heath, dual heavy cannons, and strong Boff layout.
Kyle
The Odyssey and Bortasqu' are the ships that should have filled this "battleship" role...right up until Cryptic went through and made almost all other ships equivalent :rolleyes:
That's why I don't get the length of this thread.
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I did some pondering on this subject and that of the Galaxy-X. It's still the closest thing to a battleship we have, and it still all the battleship qualifications. Except for two. It's ability to stealth, and it's forward firing guns give it qualities....
...Not unlike a submarine. I guess that's why a lot of people disregard it as a battleship, which is kind of understandable. It does make sense in a way, and still fits in the "Peacekeeping Armada" mentality that Starfleet still has.
So we have battleship/submarine hybrid rather than a pure battleship. (But don't care that much, I'm still calling it a battleship. :P)
Perhaps the Typhoon and Jupiter can fill that hole perhaps?
Well, it would make more sense wouldn't it?
My reference to Peace keeping was to accent that fact that Star Fleet in STO is more about war yhan exploration
That does not compute. "It would be useless because it would have to be made useless".
Such a ship is mathematically equivalent to an escort. So what you basically say is that escorts dominate the game.
Many people would agree with you, but then, that is an entirely different subject, yes?
No one cares how many people would or wouldn't agree with that, Sophlogimo, because it's not an opinion. At mid- to high-level play, games aren't even remotely dominated by escorts. I'll give you three guesses as to which type of ship does, though.
My reference to Peace keeping was to accent that fact that Star Fleet in STO is more about war yhan exploration
I know, that's kind of the developers fault. I was just saying that since the Galaxy-X is a war ship that can double as a stealth vessel, it still makes sense in the old Starfleet mentality.
Oh how I wish this game was the other way around though. Combat gets old after a while.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
Yes, I know that carriers do not count as battleships. That was not the point of the post. The post was for giving you a quick fix for your problem.
Kyle
Note: The role of the Dreadnought is to engage large tactical cruisers, flagships, carriers, and other support vessels with superior firepower and the ability to sustain significant damage from enemy escorts as it closes to effective range.
At point-blank range, the Dreadnought's firepower advantage is reduced by a lack of manuverability. However, the Dreadnought is able to assume a limited tactical support role for the escorts that normally accompany it into battle with its damage control capabilities and can continue to engage the larger and slower support ships of the enemy.
huh missed this. this is a good compromise. it does not make it overly powerful and not completely suck with enough eng boff powers to tank
what the capital weapon would be would be interesting
Well, I have exlained quite thoroughly what I mean by that word: A tactically-focused ship that is not a tiny ship on steroids. Slower, less maneuverable, but a bit (!) more tanky.
Alternatively, give me some actually useful offensive engineer powers. :P
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Ill take one in KDF patina green with all the angulor bits we enjoy.
Though basically it appears to a ody/borti with Tactical primary/ engineer secondary setup.
What would its Cap be, lance for fed-autocannon for KDF?
TT1 BO2 ApD2 CRF3
EPTS1 RSP1 A2S2
TT1 CRF2
EPTS1 EPTW2
HE1 (TSS1) (PH1)
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that would probably work quite well
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I was never against a Battleship, just an unbalanced one.
I still like Daedilus idea mind you as it sounded fun but just needed tweaking.
If Cloak was given to it the BOff setup my need tweaking
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even in a state of war the federation very rarely makes combat only ships ( unless you go into the FASA stuff )
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Well the whole starfleet is a peacekeeping armada first exploration second is out the window.
Its not Gs ST in STO.
I do wish the standard KDF battlecruiser line was less Eng heavy and a tad more tac as whole.
R.I.P
I wouldn't complain in the slightest bit about that.
I agree it does sound highly amusing.
I did some pondering on this subject and that of the Galaxy-X. It's still the closest thing to a battleship we have, and it still all the battleship qualifications. Except for two. It's ability to stealth, and it's forward firing guns give it qualities....
...Not unlike a submarine. I guess that's why a lot of people disregard it as a battleship, which is kind of understandable. It does make sense in a way, and still fits in the "Peacekeeping Armada" mentality that Starfleet still has.
So we have battleship/submarine hybrid rather than a pure battleship. (But don't care that much, I'm still calling it a battleship. :P)
Perhaps the Typhoon and Jupiter can fill that hole perhaps?
Well, it would make more sense wouldn't it?
A battleship is a heavily armed and armored vessel, The cruisers in STO are indeed heavily armored but dont exactly have staggering firepower. Currently the biggest guns in the game only fire in one direction and the more omni directional weapons lack punch on their own. Without some kind of heavy weapon that has a large enough targeting arc to be effective on a slow turning vessel there will never be a true battleship.
If there were such a weapon it wouldn't have to be as powerful as heavy cannons and it should be restricted from smaller vessels. Possibly being restricted to battleships only.
I'd say somthing with at least a 180 degree arc but no more than 220 with damage near that of a dual beam bank but perhaps with a slower fire rate since these are meant to be spike damage weapons. maybe with enhanced critical damage or chance mods like heavy cannons get.
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Occidere populo et effercio confractus
Evidently you elect not to use the Dreadnaught you were provided. Your loss.
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All cloaks should be canon.
So....
battle ship weapon MK I -MK XII
120 dpv 95 dps - 245 dpv 195 dps
200 degree arc
-11 weapons power when firing
Maybe flag it as a beam and a cannon weapon tho thsat may be over doing it a bit.
It would look prety cool it if fired like the lance weapons as well.
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Isn't this what speccing into threat control is for?
big difference between this and an escort an escort is squishy this would not be
because this game has to have no clear ship be more powerful then any other yes it would have to be compromised form your idealistic ship
1. I am really surprised that nobody has talked about the Jupiter Dreadnought. The build that was selected on the Jupiter thread was a battleship that was balanced. (I will post a link once I find it again.)
2. Till the devs add that, which I doubt sadly, again nobody really touched on this. Carriers? anybody? Look, carriers CAN mount dual heavy cannons, have great tanking, and have fighters. I use the Atorx carrier, first or second in the most hull heath, and the most shields. I am one of the few people who uses dual heavy cannons, I really don't care if you don't think that is a good idea.
3. If you dont like the Atrox, then get the Recluse Carrier and put a com. tac in the U-slot. still has fighers, lost of heath, dual heavy cannons, and strong Boff layout.
Kyle
That's why I don't get the length of this thread.
I was not. Tis just a personal desire.
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My reference to Peace keeping was to accent that fact that Star Fleet in STO is more about war yhan exploration
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No one cares how many people would or wouldn't agree with that, Sophlogimo, because it's not an opinion. At mid- to high-level play, games aren't even remotely dominated by escorts. I'll give you three guesses as to which type of ship does, though.
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I know, that's kind of the developers fault. I was just saying that since the Galaxy-X is a war ship that can double as a stealth vessel, it still makes sense in the old Starfleet mentality.
Oh how I wish this game was the other way around though. Combat gets old after a while.
Whoops, I think you misunderstood, I do agree with you about that. I'd love a more tactical-heavy KDF cruiser.
No, they don't, massive armor, excellent speed, massive firepower does. A combination you won't get in this game.
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Kyle
huh missed this. this is a good compromise. it does not make it overly powerful and not completely suck with enough eng boff powers to tank
what the capital weapon would be would be interesting
You want the kdf fleet vor'cha.
So, when presented with the option of what you want, you don't want it?
Look at your own post above, the fleet vor'cha fits exactly what you said.
and also the fleet vor'cha has this lay out
LTC tac
LT tac
LT uni (can use it as a tac so 3 tac stations if you so wish)
COM eng
and ensign eng
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