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Show of hands

mkilczewskimkilczewski Member Posts: 284
edited August 2012 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
Judging from the forums, I think we can all agree, that Cryptic is in a really, bad place right now. (Can't seem to do anything right, or get out of their own way, for that matter) Who thinks it would probably behoove them to put a freeze on new content, up to, and including, Season 7, in favor of addressing some of the major technical issues with STO. Recent bugs, antidiluvian bugs, latency, etc... ? Possibly even cleaning up/streamlining the code?
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  • chalpenchalpen Member Posts: 2,207 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Ugh where is the profit in that?
    Should I start posting again after all this time?
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I don't see them as being in a bad place at all - and I certainly don't consider people on the forum to be even more then 2% of the overall player base.

    Season 6 has only been out less then 3 weeks. It's going to take time to work out some of the bugs. SWTOR's 1.3 update has been out for 5+ weeks and they still have to bring the various Servers down several times a week to fix the problems that update caused. SWTOR's Dev team is several times larger then STO's, and bugs happen.

    Cryptic's not in a place where they can just freeze production - especially now that SWTOR is going FTP this fall. They simply need to whittle into the bugs as best they can.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • lordmalak1lordmalak1 Member Posts: 4,681 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Unfortunately it's like watching a car wreck at Daytona speedway, as much as I'd like to stop it from happening I can't do anything but sit here comfortably and watch it happen.

    Their Feddie fanboys will save them.
    :rolleyes:
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    Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
  • mkilczewskimkilczewski Member Posts: 284
    edited July 2012
    chalpen wrote: »
    Ugh where is the profit in that?

    Keeping customers from walking away.
  • rrincyrrincy Member Posts: 1,023
    edited July 2012
    I'd love to see a major update fixing bugs and stuff to be honest
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  • mikewendellmikewendell Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    mkilczewski wrote: »
    Keeping customers from walking away.

    Customer retention is not an issue with them or PW. I politely point out that quarterly conference call we got a transcript of a few months back and it was nothing but profit and percentages of profit.

    At no time was customer base, customer satisfaction, retention or churn mentioned.

    Profit, growth and bottom line. That was it.
  • thedoctorblueboxthedoctorbluebox Member Posts: 749 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    The game's been on a freeze of content for the past 3 years lol
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  • captain4mericacaptain4merica Member Posts: 55 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    mkilczewski wrote: »
    Judging from the forums, I think we can all agree, that Cryptic is in a really, bad place right now

    According to Cryptic, the majority of the playerbase doesnt post on the forums, and the minority that do do not accurately represent the majority that dont.
  • purplegamerpurplegamer Member Posts: 1,015 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Please and thank you.
  • mikewendellmikewendell Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    captain4merica wrote: »
    According to Cryptic, the majority of the playerbase doesnt post on the forums, and the minority that do do not accurately represent the majority that dont.

    The rest of them complain in zone chat. :)
  • mkilczewskimkilczewski Member Posts: 284
    edited July 2012
    captain4merica wrote: »
    According to Cryptic, the majority of the playerbase doesnt post on the forums, and the minority that do do not accurately represent the majority that dont.

    Right. And they can't put anything on the internet that isn't true.
  • mkilczewskimkilczewski Member Posts: 284
    edited July 2012
    Believe nothing you hear, and half of what you see.
  • anthonyxmas1anthonyxmas1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    mkilczewski wrote: »
    Judging from the forums, I think we can all agree, that Cryptic is in a really, bad place right now. (Can't seem to do anything right, or get out of their own way, for that matter) Who thinks it would probably behoove them to put a freeze on new content, up to, and including, Season 7, in favor of addressing some of the major technical issues with STO. Recent bugs, antidiluvian bugs, latency, etc... ? Possibly even cleaning up/streamlining the code?

    I don't agree with you at all.

    There will *ALWAYS* be bugs. But I have no problem playing the game day in, day out. And yes, I play every day.

    So, NO, Cryptic should not "put a freeze" on anything and keep doing what they are doing.

    I am pleased with everything in Season 6 and in Star Trek Online in general.
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  • captain4mericacaptain4merica Member Posts: 55 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    mkilczewski wrote: »
    Believe nothing you hear, and half of what you see.

    I am currently seeing your post. Which half of it should I not believe?
  • magusofborgmagusofborg Member Posts: 186 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    I don't see them as being in a bad place at all - and I certainly don't consider people on the forum to be even more then 2% of the overall player base.

    Quoted for truth.

    It is said that only 1% of people who come to a forum actually post on a forum. So if only about 2% of the player base is coming to this forum, and 1% of that actually post....

    Yeah, this community really represents the majority huh?
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  • mkilczewskimkilczewski Member Posts: 284
    edited July 2012
    captain4merica wrote: »
    I am currently seeing your post. Which half of it should I not believe?

    I'm not actually Boba Fett.
  • mkilczewskimkilczewski Member Posts: 284
    edited July 2012
    magusofborg wrote: »
    Quoted for truth.

    It is said that only 1% of people who come to a forum actually post on a forum. So if only about 2% of the player base is coming to this forum, and 1% of that actually post....

    Yeah, this community really represents the majority huh?

    You guys are missing the point. I'm looking for an affirmative, here. Get it? Show of hands? I agree. That sort of thing.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    mkilczewski wrote: »
    You guys are missing the point. I'm looking for an affirmative, here. Get it? Show of hands? I agree. That sort of thing.
    How could I be missing the point when I said I don't want them to waste a Season on simple bug fixes - especially since most of the current bugs, like the Tailor, will eventually be fixed in the next couple of patches? :)
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • praghaspraghas Member Posts: 239 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I agree, fix the current content.
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  • agentexeideragentexeider Member Posts: 180 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    magusofborg wrote: »
    Quoted for truth.

    It is said that only 1% of people who come to a forum actually post on a forum. So if only about 2% of the player base is coming to this forum, and 1% of that actually post....

    Yeah, this community really represents the majority huh?

    do you people understand anything about group statistics?

    i hate it when people think that just because the group that comes on the forum represents like 1% or 5% whatever, people assume that if the devs listen to the forums that they are catering to a "minority" and that there is a "majority" that is not being heard.

    the truth is that statistically any smaller group will proportionally to the larger group. SO when the group on the forums overwhelmingly requests or protests against something. that proportion is REPRESENTATIVE of the larger whole, so there is no "silent majority" or "vocal minority" these are buzz words used by game developers to deflect away from their own inadequacies and incompetence. And the less said about the "Artistic Integrity" claim, the better.

    -
  • foxfire2000foxfire2000 Member Posts: 160 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Not much we can do about it now.........the game will limp along, the FTP base will drop off when boredom sets in just as it did with the PTP base...only next time there is no FTP model to jump onto to save them.
  • cavaduscavadus Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Do they need to suspend an entire season for bug fixes? No, and after that year long content drought it would be a very bad move.

    Should they concentrate an entire patch on bug fixes? Sure.
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  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    praghas wrote: »
    I agree, fix the current content.

    this^^^^^^^^^
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • thepantspartythepantsparty Member Posts: 431 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    agentexeider wrote: »
    the truth is that statistically any smaller group will proportionally to the larger group.

    This is only true when the smaller group is a proportionally accurate representation of the larger group. This is almost always accomplished by using a randomly selected subgroup rather than a self-selected subgroup, the latter of which is what people who post on the forums are. But as someone who was questioning if anyone understood anything about group statistics, I'm sure you knew this already.
  • capnmanxcapnmanx Member Posts: 1,452 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Historically, this community has not responded well to content freezes; even when there were perfectly good reasons for them. Don't assume everyone would suddenly be reasonable about it now.
    My old (and now mostly obsolete) exploration suggestions thread. Give it a read. :)
  • magusofborgmagusofborg Member Posts: 186 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    agentexeider wrote: »

    the truth is that statistically any smaller group will proportionally to the larger group.

    I get the whole microcosm is a reflection of the macrocosm angle you're going for here, though I personally don't think it applies to a game forum.
    If only 1% of the people who read this forum actually post, then for all we know those people just represent the small fraction of society that's over-opinionated, nitpicky, hard to please or have an overwhelming need to be heard.
    One could argue that such a demographic is in fact a deviation from the majority.

    Not saying this is fact, just looking at it from another angle.
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  • captain4mericacaptain4merica Member Posts: 55 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    The reason the forums cannot accurately represent the playerbase as a whole is because of how human nature works: people are more likely to speak out when they are upset about something than when they are happy. That fact automatically means that there will be more people posting on the forums because they are not satisfied with some aspect of the game than otherwise, and those people can never represent all of the people who are happy with the game but not posting on the forums.
  • mikewendellmikewendell Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    magusofborg wrote: »
    If only 1% of the people who read this forum actually post,

    Do remember though that zone chat is full of the same thing. Well pretty much. That, fleet recruitment spam, and people complaining about roleplayers.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    agentexeider wrote: »
    do you people understand anything about group statistics?

    i hate it when people think that just because the group that comes on the forum represents like 1% or 5% whatever, people assume that if the devs listen to the forums that they are catering to a "minority" and that there is a "majority" that is not being heard.

    the truth is that statistically any smaller group will proportionally to the larger group. SO when the group on the forums overwhelmingly requests or protests against something. that proportion is REPRESENTATIVE of the larger whole, so there is no "silent majority" or "vocal minority" these are buzz words used by game developers to deflect away from their own inadequacies and incompetence. And the less said about the "Artistic Integrity" claim, the better.

    -
    This is only true when discussing a random cross-section. The people who come to gaming forums are generally there for a specific reason rather then being a random cross-section of the community. IE, a large percentage of gamers come to forums for no other the reason then to specifically complain where-as the majority of players who are happy with a game just keep playing it and don't really have any desire to interact on a forum - unless they need an answer to a specific question.

    In most cases the people you encounter on a gaming forum are not indicative of the gaming community as a whole.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • eagledracoeagledraco Member Posts: 340 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    mkilczewski wrote: »
    Judging from the forums, I think we can all agree, that Cryptic is in a really, bad place right now. (Can't seem to do anything right, or get out of their own way, for that matter) Who thinks it would probably behoove them to put a freeze on new content, up to, and including, Season 7, in favor of addressing some of the major technical issues with STO. Recent bugs, antidiluvian bugs, latency, etc... ? Possibly even cleaning up/streamlining the code?

    Not sure about the 'bad place right now'. I can't say Cryptic doesn't make mistakes. And the game is usually glitchy after a major update. Then after a month or so they get it running much smoother.

    But I do wish they would address latency issues, especially with the Fleet Events. All of the space ones give me MAJOR lag. Like below 8 FPS with all video settings at minimum. Anywhere else in the game I am usually over 25 FPS.
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