After that Transwarp Conduit debacle, my fleet is getting close, the major DOFF shortage isn't helping right now of course, but we're fairly close to our tier 2 shipyards. Before the end of the week we should start on it.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
Klingon Intelligence is going to be starting the Tier 2 starbase project in about 2 days.
Reports indicate it takes 4 days to complete, 1800 Fleet Marks, 100k dilithium, 89 tac/sec doffs, and some EC items. Gives 1500 Military XP. [edit: sorry, this is shipyard, not starbase]
Is this the starbase or the shipyard upgrade? I thought starbase upgrade gives XP to all 3 tracks?
Sorry, I was giving stats for shipyard upgrade not the starbase one. I'm not sure if it's posted yet (I'll be able to tell you within a couple days). If anyone already knows, please help fill in stowiki's list of projects.
We are very close to Tier 2... but the "common" Doff requirement on the Transwarp Project is holding us up. <sigh>
Are there any plans to change the "common" doff requirement in general on projects to a "Common or Uncommon"?
The economy on this is busted in my opinion, "common" doff's cost more than "uncommon" doff's now on the Exchange. I can buy "uncommon" doff's with Dilithuim, but I can't buy "common" ones with that method.
It would be nice to have another method to purchase these doff's other than the exchange.
We are very close to Tier 2... but the "common" Doff requirement on the Transwarp Project is holding us up. <sigh>
Are there any plans to change the "common" doff requirement in general on projects to a "Common or Uncommon"?
The economy on this is busted in my opinion, "common" doff's cost more than "uncommon" doff's now on the Exchange. I can buy "uncommon" doff's with Dilithuim, but I can't buy "common" ones with that method.
It would be nice to have another method to purchase these doff's other than the exchange.
Thanks!
We're in the same boat, the doff economy in game now has totally slowed our progress. It's been over day and we still haven't started at least one of our projects. At this rate I doubt any fleet can get close to tier 5 in the 7 month window it would take if everything went exactly right.
I would consider buying packs but I need a specific doff <sigh>
As others have noted, we need a method to buy the exact doff we need at the level desired from a NPC. The exhange market is busted now with the sharks in the water.......
All the members and myself at our starbase,are going like bats out of hell to reach tier 2.
Some of the projects are tough going, but we are getting there.
I would consider buying packs but I need a specific doff <sigh>
As others have noted, we need a method to buy the exact doff we need at the level desired from a NPC. The exhange market is busted now with the sharks in the water.......
Meh, 100-250k energy credit isn't that expensive for a duty officer. The exchange works fine. Just trade the doffs you don't need for the ones you need.
No, seriously, doffs are cheap on the exchange. It's just the fleet leader making bad decisions when they choose upgrades involving a lot of them instead of choosing the ones costing dilithium. These fleets are punished for their stinginess.
Klingon Intelligence is going to be starting the Tier 2 starbase project in about 2 days.
Reports indicate it takes 4 days to complete, 1800 Fleet Marks, 100k dilithium, 89 tac/sec doffs, and some EC items. Gives 1500 Military XP. [edit: sorry, this is shipyard, not starbase]
Tier II starbase upgrade:
3,600 FM
216,000 dilithium
180 non-civilian Doff
3,000 industrial energy cell
1,625 self stem bolts
50 particle traces
Tier II fabricator upgrade:
1,800 FM
108,000 dilithium
80 engi/ops Doffs
750 industrial replicators
1,450 industrial energy cells
400 self stem bolts
Tier II transwarp
1,800 FM
162,000 dilitium
20 astrometric scientists
4 particle traces
2,400 industrial energy cells
500 seismic stabilizers
Meh, 100-250k energy credit isn't that expensive for a duty officer. The exchange works fine. Just trade the doffs you don't need for the ones you need.
No, seriously, doffs are cheap on the exchange. It's just the fleet leader making bad decisions when they choose upgrades involving a lot of them instead of choosing the ones costing dilithium. These fleets are punished for their stinginess.
I don't think it is that simple. May work for you and your fleet but not our small fleet.
Some of the projects cannot be avoided like the Transwarp Gate upgrade project. I see your point on project selection and avoid the onerous ones where possible; we try to do that.
Improvements for flexibility in purchase methods are not that hard for the developers. We learn as we go.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
Meh, 100-250k energy credit isn't that expensive for a duty officer. The exchange works fine. Just trade the doffs you don't need for the ones you need.
No, seriously, doffs are cheap on the exchange. It's just the fleet leader making bad decisions when they choose upgrades involving a lot of them instead of choosing the ones costing dilithium. These fleets are punished for their stinginess.
The thing is that there's a soft cap on the amount of dil you can squeeze out a day (alt abuse only goes so far). DOffs are, on the other hand, not limited by anything.
The thing is that there's a soft cap on the amount of dil you can squeeze out a day (alt abuse only goes so far). DOffs are, on the other hand, not limited by anything.
My point with "common/white" doff's .... it would help to have alternative methods to obtain them. I can buy a specific "green" doff with dil....but I can't for "white". I haven't been playing very long compared to some....so I dont have a huge bank roll of energy credits to just blow on an item when the need arrives on the exchange.
Some flexibility would help in completing the various projects.
My point with "common/white" doff's .... it would help to have alternative methods to obtain them. I can buy a specific "green" doff with dil....but I can't for "white". I haven't been playing very long compared to some....so I dont have a huge bank roll of energy credits to just blow on an item when the need arrives on the exchange.
Some flexibility would help in completing the various projects.
When I tried to use a Lt. Ferra doff (specifically a green trader) that I bought with dilithium it wouldn't let me use it in the special project -- this is especially odd since Heretic, the dev who designed the fleet advancement system, made several references to doffs being a dilithium sink for starbases.
There is supposed to be a doff downgrader (coming soonTM) that converts one rarity of doff to three of the next lowest rarity. That would be great as it makes potentially any doff useful to some degree.
My point with "common/white" doff's .... it would help to have alternative methods to obtain them. I can buy a specific "green" doff with dil....but I can't for "white". I haven't been playing very long compared to some....so I dont have a huge bank roll of energy credits to just blow on an item when the need arrives on the exchange.
Some flexibility would help in completing the various projects.
Keep in mind that everyone can get some free white DOFFs several times a week just by visiting the Academy and talking to the various instructors as a DOFF mission.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Keep in mind that everyone can get some free white DOFFs several times a week just by visiting the Academy and talking to the various instructors as a DOFF mission.
Trust me...I am wearing that place out at the Academy...but that is a crapshoot for what you may need.
We finally got the Transwarp project un-stuck...so we will be Tier 2 soon!
Are you not running the Star Fleet Academy recruitment assignments?
Myself and others are grinding the SFA Recruitment assignments, but that is TRIBBLE shoot on what you need.
The Purple Doff's required for TAC Station Officer project now are killing us... the ones you purchase from Starfleet Academy can't be used b/c they are "bound".
And we dont have unlimited EC to buy what we need off the Exchange... and running outa of Doff's to sell / trade up.
There needs to be some flexibility with either purchase methods or requirements in what types can be used for a Starbase project.
A rather large fleet (members in the hundreds) definitely has an advantage here where they can just bombard SFA with recruitment missions.... and use their combined wealth for the Exchange, which just drives the prices up.
It almost seems the developers want the smaller fleets to merge with the larger ones. I will have to get accustomed to very little progress for awhile.
And yes, save me the stories about it takes 7+ months to get a Tier 5 Starbase..... heard it before, got the t-shirt....
Are you not running the Star Fleet Academy recruitment assignments?
It's worse when you are stuck on constructions that ask for 20, 40 of a specific type of DOFF. Like the transwarp gate asking for 20 common Astrometric DOFFs. And right now on the exchange they are around 250,000 per doff.
Be different if they allowed you to use higher level doffs as part of the cost, like Uncommons costing 2 or 3 common DOFFs.
It's worse when you are stuck on constructions that ask for 20, 40 of a specific type of DOFF. Like the transwarp gate asking for 20 common Astrometric DOFFs. And right now on the exchange they are around 250,000 per doff.
Be different if they allowed you to use higher level doffs as part of the cost, like Uncommons costing 2 or 3 common DOFFs.
Yes, I am in total agreement... we had to burn a ton of EC to get that project unstuck due to the Astrometric Doffs. You cannot come back to that project later or bypass it either if the progression is too continue on the SB Tiers.
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Reports indicate it takes 4 days to complete, 1800 Fleet Marks, 100k dilithium, 89 tac/sec doffs, and some EC items. Gives 1500 Military XP. [edit: sorry, this is shipyard, not starbase]
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KDF Armada: Klingon Intelligence (level 699, 2100+ members)
Is this the starbase or the shipyard upgrade? I thought starbase upgrade gives XP to all 3 tracks?
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Sorry, I was giving stats for shipyard upgrade not the starbase one. I'm not sure if it's posted yet (I'll be able to tell you within a couple days). If anyone already knows, please help fill in stowiki's list of projects.
My STOwiki page | Reachable in-game @PhyrexianHero
Fed Armada: Section 31 (level 730, 2700+ members)
KDF Armada: Klingon Intelligence (level 699, 2100+ members)
Are there any plans to change the "common" doff requirement in general on projects to a "Common or Uncommon"?
The economy on this is busted in my opinion, "common" doff's cost more than "uncommon" doff's now on the Exchange. I can buy "uncommon" doff's with Dilithuim, but I can't buy "common" ones with that method.
It would be nice to have another method to purchase these doff's other than the exchange.
Thanks!
Delirium Tremens
Tier 4 Starbase, Tier 3 Embassy
http://dtfleet.com/
We're in the same boat, the doff economy in game now has totally slowed our progress. It's been over day and we still haven't started at least one of our projects. At this rate I doubt any fleet can get close to tier 5 in the 7 month window it would take if everything went exactly right.
In other worths, if you want to be T3, you need to spend a LOOOOT of real mony on the game.
The base system is another Cryptic Fiasco.
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www.divisionhispana.com
As others have noted, we need a method to buy the exact doff we need at the level desired from a NPC. The exhange market is busted now with the sharks in the water.......
Delirium Tremens
Tier 4 Starbase, Tier 3 Embassy
http://dtfleet.com/
Some of the projects are tough going, but we are getting there.
Meh, 100-250k energy credit isn't that expensive for a duty officer. The exchange works fine. Just trade the doffs you don't need for the ones you need.
No, seriously, doffs are cheap on the exchange. It's just the fleet leader making bad decisions when they choose upgrades involving a lot of them instead of choosing the ones costing dilithium. These fleets are punished for their stinginess.
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
Tier II starbase upgrade:
3,600 FM
216,000 dilithium
180 non-civilian Doff
3,000 industrial energy cell
1,625 self stem bolts
50 particle traces
Tier II fabricator upgrade:
1,800 FM
108,000 dilithium
80 engi/ops Doffs
750 industrial replicators
1,450 industrial energy cells
400 self stem bolts
Tier II transwarp
1,800 FM
162,000 dilitium
20 astrometric scientists
4 particle traces
2,400 industrial energy cells
500 seismic stabilizers
All of it takes 4 days to construct..
I don't think it is that simple. May work for you and your fleet but not our small fleet.
Some of the projects cannot be avoided like the Transwarp Gate upgrade project. I see your point on project selection and avoid the onerous ones where possible; we try to do that.
Improvements for flexibility in purchase methods are not that hard for the developers. We learn as we go.
Thx
Delirium Tremens
Tier 4 Starbase, Tier 3 Embassy
http://dtfleet.com/
Thank you for posting all that, I'm sure that'll be a big help to anybody getting close to their tier 2 base.
All I can say as a 1 man fleet: OUCH
The thing is that there's a soft cap on the amount of dil you can squeeze out a day (alt abuse only goes so far). DOffs are, on the other hand, not limited by anything.
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My point with "common/white" doff's .... it would help to have alternative methods to obtain them. I can buy a specific "green" doff with dil....but I can't for "white". I haven't been playing very long compared to some....so I dont have a huge bank roll of energy credits to just blow on an item when the need arrives on the exchange.
Some flexibility would help in completing the various projects.
Delirium Tremens
Tier 4 Starbase, Tier 3 Embassy
http://dtfleet.com/
When I tried to use a Lt. Ferra doff (specifically a green trader) that I bought with dilithium it wouldn't let me use it in the special project -- this is especially odd since Heretic, the dev who designed the fleet advancement system, made several references to doffs being a dilithium sink for starbases.
There is supposed to be a doff downgrader (coming soonTM) that converts one rarity of doff to three of the next lowest rarity. That would be great as it makes potentially any doff useful to some degree.
My STOwiki page | Reachable in-game @PhyrexianHero
Fed Armada: Section 31 (level 730, 2700+ members)
KDF Armada: Klingon Intelligence (level 699, 2100+ members)
Trust me...I am wearing that place out at the Academy...but that is a crapshoot for what you may need.
We finally got the Transwarp project un-stuck...so we will be Tier 2 soon!
Thx
Delirium Tremens
Tier 4 Starbase, Tier 3 Embassy
http://dtfleet.com/
Are you not running the Star Fleet Academy recruitment assignments?
Myself and others are grinding the SFA Recruitment assignments, but that is TRIBBLE shoot on what you need.
The Purple Doff's required for TAC Station Officer project now are killing us... the ones you purchase from Starfleet Academy can't be used b/c they are "bound".
And we dont have unlimited EC to buy what we need off the Exchange... and running outa of Doff's to sell / trade up.
There needs to be some flexibility with either purchase methods or requirements in what types can be used for a Starbase project.
A rather large fleet (members in the hundreds) definitely has an advantage here where they can just bombard SFA with recruitment missions.... and use their combined wealth for the Exchange, which just drives the prices up.
It almost seems the developers want the smaller fleets to merge with the larger ones. I will have to get accustomed to very little progress for awhile.
And yes, save me the stories about it takes 7+ months to get a Tier 5 Starbase..... heard it before, got the t-shirt....
<sigh>
Delirium Tremens
Tier 4 Starbase, Tier 3 Embassy
http://dtfleet.com/
It's worse when you are stuck on constructions that ask for 20, 40 of a specific type of DOFF. Like the transwarp gate asking for 20 common Astrometric DOFFs. And right now on the exchange they are around 250,000 per doff.
Be different if they allowed you to use higher level doffs as part of the cost, like Uncommons costing 2 or 3 common DOFFs.
Yes, I am in total agreement... we had to burn a ton of EC to get that project unstuck due to the Astrometric Doffs. You cannot come back to that project later or bypass it either if the progression is too continue on the SB Tiers.
Delirium Tremens
Tier 4 Starbase, Tier 3 Embassy
http://dtfleet.com/
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/7185/sb2v.jpg
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9702/sb1t.jpg
Whats the interior look like? Has anything changed come Tier 1?