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Fleet Advanced Escort Stats (hot off Tribble)

corsair114corsair114 Member Posts: 276
edited July 2012 in PvP Gameplay
Meet the Fleet Advanced Escort!

BOffs:

Tac-

CMDR
LT
ENS

Sci-

LTC

Eng-

LT

Consoles:

Eng: 2
Sci: 3
Tac: 5

Performance:

Base Hull HP: 34100

Base Turn Rate: 16

Shield Modifier: .99

Have a nice day!
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  • matteo716maikaimatteo716maikai Member Posts: 823
    edited July 2012
    so a fifth tac console? id have thought a fourth sci console was gonna happen (seeing how the patrol escort doesnt have 5 tacts or does it?)

    interesting indeed....


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  • shimmerlessshimmerless Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I think I just jizzed my jorts.
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  • corsair114corsair114 Member Posts: 276
    edited July 2012
    Honestly, with the BOff arrangement of Fleet Patrol Escort able to ape either the Classic Patrol Escort or Classic Adv. Escort, this was really the only way they could go... plus it continues the trend of making the C-Store BOff arrangement available to Fleet versions of ships.
  • mavairomavairo Member Posts: 579
    edited July 2012
    Only .99?

    16 turn rate?

    5th tac console?

    I would rather a 4th sci console actually. Especially with that boff layout.
  • corsair114corsair114 Member Posts: 276
    edited July 2012
    Yep, it's basically right in line with the Fleet Defiant and Fleet Patrol Escort.

    I'd guess they were gun shy about the 4th science console because of the Fleet RSV (2/4/4) and Fleet Nova (3/4/3 but LTC Tac). Maybe.

    That or they didn't want escorts zipping around with quad-Field Generators.
  • shimmerlessshimmerless Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    mavairo wrote: »
    Only .99?

    16 turn rate?

    5th tac console?

    I would rather a 4th sci console actually. Especially with that boff layout.

    It's probably to balance off against the MVAM. I kinda wanted a fifth Sci console too, but with the way Sci consoles/skills are borked, and with polarons almost certainly in line for a nerf soon, I don't know if it would've been worth it.
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  • aldo1rainealdo1raine Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Yeah that actually doesn't seem to fit with the escort pattern. It would have made more sense I gather with com and lt com tac slots, or the current Boff setup and a 5th sci console.

    If they would have been consistent with the fleet patrol the ensign slot would be universal.
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  • aldo1rainealdo1raine Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    And they shouldn't call it a Fleet Advanced Escort, it should really be a Fleet MVAM
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  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    corsair114 wrote: »
    Meet the Fleet Advanced Escort!

    BOffs:

    Tac-

    CMDR
    LT
    ENS

    Sci-

    LTC

    Eng-

    LT

    oh dear, i know a lot of people preferred the original advanced escort configuration, at least the patrol has the universal ENS, but you cant MVAM the patrol escort
    corsair114 wrote: »
    Consoles:
    Tac: 5

    you can NOT be serious. stop doing this crytic 5 tac console escorts are terrible game ruining un-defend-against-able monsters! :mad::mad::mad:

    this is just great, on top of bugs zoming around being unstoppable we will have little MVAM parts flying around with LTC level science heals and attacks being as, if not more, deadly then the bug :mad: DAMNIT!
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  • trueprom3theustrueprom3theus Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    dontdrunkimshoot wrote: »
    oh dear, i know a lot of people preferred the original advanced escort configuration, at least the patrol has the universal ENS, but you cant MVAM the patrol escort



    you can NOT be serious. stop doing this crytic 5 tac console escorts are terrible game ruining un-defend-against-able monsters! :mad::mad::mad:

    this is just great, on top of bugs zoming around being unstoppable we will have little MVAM parts flying around with LTC level science heals and attacks being as, if not more, deadly then the bug :mad: DAMNIT!

    It seems I posted same thing twice... Good for me, need to learn how to delete a post...
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  • trueprom3theustrueprom3theus Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    dontdrunkimshoot wrote: »
    oh dear, i know a lot of people preferred the original advanced escort configuration, at least the patrol has the universal ENS, but you cant MVAM the patrol escort



    you can NOT be serious. stop doing this crytic 5 tac console escorts are terrible game ruining un-defend-against-able monsters! :mad::mad::mad:

    this is just great, on top of bugs zoming around being unstoppable we will have little MVAM parts flying around with LTC level science heals and attacks being as, if not more, deadly then the bug :mad: DAMNIT!

    Based on bortasqu, with 5 tac consoles, I can say having the 5th one adds an insignificant amount of damage. Due to this, I fly the sci bortasqu, with 2 sci consoles. Damage-wise, this 5 tac console ship is not a serious threat. I made at some point a calculation, and diminishing returns gained from 5th console were very small, even buffed by attack patterns/other buffs.
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  • jkstocbrjkstocbr Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    It's Shipyard Tier 4, so it's going to a while before we see them ... right? I'm looking forward to the Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit myself (Shipyard T3).
  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Lovely lol. Just wish they would give tac console to my nebula as well.
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  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    trueprom3theus wrote: »
    Based on bortasqu, with 5 tac consoles, I can say having the 5th one adds an insignificant amount of damage. Due to this, I fly the sci bortasqu, with 2 sci consoles. Damage-wise, this 5 tac console ship is not a serious threat. I made at some point a calculation, and diminishing returns gained from 5th console were very small, even buffed by attack patterns/other buffs.

    well thats totally wrong. each tactical console adds the same amount of damage, there are no diminishing returns. with each console the % of increase damage is less, because your total damage is that much higher, the goalposts of the equations changed. but the benefit from the console it additive. 1 console + 3 consoles gives just as much additional damage as 1 console + 4 consoles

    TL;DR, ANOTHER 5 tac console escort is a BAD THING
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  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Even if there were diminished returns (they imho probably should be), you could always boost your torpedo dmg in the 5th slot. Really, it will be lovely ship.

    I just do not see a pattern in the way consoles were handled. In some ships, they improved their original focus, in some cases like fleet intrepid they gave it tac console.

    I cannot help, but it seems to me that ships that can end in Z-store bundles (aka low tier,higher tier, skin, bridge era costume etc) did end up with much more interesting layouts/consoles.

    Intrepid (T4,T5,Fleet version,bridges)
    Defiant (T4,T5,Fleet version,bridges, DS9)
    Prometheus (T5,T5+,Fleet version,bridges)

    I smell marketing plot in the air.
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  • thishorizonthishorizon Member Posts: 1,158
    edited July 2012
    um.

    i'd fly that for a dollar.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85cL1HisrNc
  • corsair114corsair114 Member Posts: 276
    edited July 2012
    thishorizon wrote: »
    um.

    i'd fly that for a dollar.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85cL1HisrNc



    I LIKE your comment.

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  • dassemstodassemsto Member Posts: 792 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    so compared to the MVAM, this ship..

    - Has one more tac console

    That's all?

    (assuming you can fit the MVAM console on it)
  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    One more tac console, +10% shields and health. And of course you will be able to put the console there...
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  • mavairomavairo Member Posts: 579
    edited July 2012
    dontdrunkimshoot wrote: »
    well thats totally wrong. each tactical console adds the same amount of damage, there are no diminishing returns. with each console the % of increase damage is less, because your total damage is that much higher, the goalposts of the equations changed. but the benefit from the console it additive. 1 console + 3 consoles gives just as much additional damage as 1 console + 4 consoles

    TL;DR, ANOTHER 5 tac console escort is a BAD THING

    To be fair, each tac console only affects your dps by a little under 7 percent.

    Hence why I would much rather have a 4th sci console, where Particle Generators will be much more substantially buffed than a pithy 5th tac slot. On a boff layout no less that is much much more sci friendly. The 5th tac slot, does almost nothing for the MVAM compared to what it would do for an AE.

    Also, yeah the only difference here is 1 console. I wonder if they are going to make me buy 4 tokens or if I'm only going to have to buy 1 since I own both the AE, and MVAMs already.

    MVAM and Fleet Mvam (because that's what this is. not an AE Captain Inbred strikes again!), are literally just 1 console different from what I'm seeing.
  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    If you have MVAE you should pay just one token.
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  • shimmerlessshimmerless Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    dalnar83 wrote: »
    If you have MVAE you should pay just one token.

    That's the theory, but bear in mind that for some bizarre reason it's called a "Fleet Advanced Escort" (just to confuse people for laughs at the dev office?) and if you look at the chart they posted on the blog, they haven't actually included the MVAM console as something that it can fit. I'd be very surprised if that really turned out to be the case, but honestly you never know.
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  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Ah, my bad...I was following the logical pattern....I forgot it's Cryptic :o Hopefuly, I will pay just 1 token for my noobula, although would prefer if it offered something more interesting.
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  • drkfrontiersdrkfrontiers Member Posts: 2,477 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I REALLY think that Cryptic need to stop giving ALL the best configurations to only one side of the equation. Seriously, please.

    When is the KDF going to be receive an iota of escort-capable BOP's, upgraded to the new fleet ships. The current BOP's left the nest too soon. They will expire before the first rains.
  • mavairomavairo Member Posts: 579
    edited July 2012
    drkfrontiers wrote: »
    I REALLY think that Cryptic need to stop giving ALL the best configurations to only one side of the equation. Seriously, please.

    When is the KDF going to be receive an iota of escort-capable BOP's, upgraded to the new fleet ships. The current BOP's left the nest too soon. They will expire before the first rains.

    That side of the equation is lock boxes.

    The funny thing is, all they did was increase it's dps by 7 percent. I won't be able to confirm till the cstore comes back up to double check cstore mvam, but I'm 90 percent sure that it has the exact same stats otherwise to the cstore one.

    (Also, that 7 percent increase really is not 7 percent due to the turn rate of the AE/MVAM, and it's borked turning axis, which becomes a huge factor vs ships that don't have borked axis)
  • drkfrontiersdrkfrontiers Member Posts: 2,477 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    mavairo wrote: »
    That side of the equation is lock boxes.

    The funny thing is, all they did was increase it's dps by 7 percent. I won't be able to confirm till the cstore comes back up to double check cstore mvam, but I'm 90 percent sure that it has the exact same stats otherwise to the cstore one.

    (Also, that 7 percent increase really is not 7 percent due to the turn rate of the AE/MVAM, and it's borked turning axis, which becomes a huge factor vs ships that don't have borked axis)

    Mav I believe you are right. I was just thinking that it seems that the KDF has been intentionally given poor choices, forcing a PvP-orientated faction to find better ships elsewhere aka. lockbox ships.

    And they know we would be suckers for it.

    The 7% increase here, the 7% increase there ... it all starts to add up at the end of the day.

    The way it currently stands the Starfleet escorts can deal more damage that the KDF, and have better sci/ eng vessels to support them, than the KDF have to heal that damage.

    less crew to support = better uptime.
    more hull.
    more shield mod.
    better turn rates
    more offensive.
    more options.

    The cards are stacked against the KDF from the very start, and now they even make it worse??? Unbelievable.
  • mavairomavairo Member Posts: 579
    edited July 2012
    drkfrontiers wrote: »
    Mav I believe you are right. I was just thinking that it seems that the KDF has been intentionally given poor choices, forcing a PvP-orientated faction to find better ships elsewhere aka. lockbox ships.

    And they know we would be suckers for it.

    The 7% increase here, the 7% increase there ... it all starts to add up at the end of the day.

    If they had given the Fleet MVAM a 4th sci console imo it could have actually stood toe to toe with a Bug. Instead they left it an inferior choice.

    I feel your pain there man. The only three ships I want on the kDF, is the Fleet Vorcha, Fleet Nausicaan ship, Fleet Negvhar. The rest aren't worth the time nor investment. Well maybe that Corsair cruiser, that looks fairly promising. The X Wing I was just -dying- to get when they announced the ning tao was getting the FLeet Refit, and then they released the friggin stats.

    It's a god damn shuttle on steroids. Seriously, if you gave my Flyer that boff layout I bet I could go toe to toe with the X Wing bop that's on the roster now. Ever since I saw that skin I was in love with it, and then the Cryptic Struck Back, ever determined to keep me from feeling happy about this game for more than a few minutes at a time. :(
  • drkfrontiersdrkfrontiers Member Posts: 2,477 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    mavairo wrote: »
    If they had given the Fleet MVAM a 4th sci console imo it could have actually stood toe to toe with a Bug. Instead they left it an inferior choice.

    I feel your pain there man. The only three ships I want on the kDF, is the Fleet Vorcha, Fleet Nausicaan ship, Fleet Negvhar. The rest aren't worth the time nor investment. Well maybe that Corsair cruiser, that looks fairly promising. The X Wing I was just -dying- to get when they announced the ning tao was getting the FLeet Refit, and then they released the friggin stats.

    It's a god damn shuttle on steroids. Seriously, if you gave my Flyer that boff layout I bet I could go toe to toe with the X Wing bop that's on the roster now. Ever since I saw that skin I was in love with it, and then the Cryptic Struck Back, ever determined to keep me from feeling happy about this game for more than a few minutes at a time. :(

    Some good did come from Cryptics hand. I am now guilt free blowing people apart in my Jem'Hadar and Recluse :)
  • shimmerlessshimmerless Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    drkfrontiers wrote: »
    Mav I believe you are right. I was just thinking that it seems that the KDF has been intentionally given poor choices, forcing a PvP-orientated faction to find better ships elsewhere aka. lockbox ships.

    And they know we would be suckers for it.

    The 7% increase here, the 7% increase there ... it all starts to add up at the end of the day.

    The way it currently stands the Starfleet escorts can deal more damage that the KDF, and have better sci/ eng vessels to support them, than the KDF have to heal that damage.

    less crew to support = better uptime.
    more hull.
    more shield mod.
    better turn rates
    more offensive.
    more options.

    The cards are stacked against the KDF from the very start, and now they even make it worse??? Unbelievable.

    I really doubt the reason KDF mainers take the JHAS is because they have "poor choices", dude.
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  • drkfrontiersdrkfrontiers Member Posts: 2,477 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    shimmerless wrote: »
    I really doubt the reason KDF mainers take the JHAS is because they have "poor choices", dude.

    Gimme the K'Vort with 5 TAC consoles, 32k hull, and comparible starfleet escort layout and I'll prove you wrong :)

    You right its not because of the "poor choices", its because there are "no choices" :o
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