Actually, that's wrong. It can even be calculated that when firing 8 beams vs 8 turrets, turrets come out ahead in dps because the energy drain is less. If you insist, I can make a sample calculation for you showing that turrets are very competitive at 8 slots filled.
Actually, that's wrong. It can even be calculated that when firing 8 beams vs 8 turrets, turrets come out ahead in dps because the energy drain is less. If you insist, I can make a sample calculation for you showing that turrets are very competitive at 8 slots filled.
I was actually toying with a FED-DREAD and the concept of all turrets save for a front/rear tubes... Tubes being Tri-cobalt. May go with T-C mines at rear.
A 7-page thread and no one has realized yet that the OP does not give a whit about game balance or how the game works, and simply wants to see his turrets firing at the same speed as cannons on Rapid Fire, forever?
@unangbangkay, Actually that was said about 3 times a page for the last 6 pages.
Why this thread got resurrected I'll never know.
The point is Turrets are working as intended and won't be buffed anytime soon. Since the original poster never went into the question of how which I repeatedly asked, I think we can consider this thread done. Does more shots mean less DPV but the same DPS? Or more of both? Are Procs based per volley or per cycle? If per Volley will procs be lowered to counter the increased amount fired.
A single person demanding more from a weapon is rarely going to see an increase.
thibash, 6 beams will out dps 8 turrets easily especially at ranges over 5k. But the argument isn't even about 8 turrets vs 8 beams. But for arguments sake 6 beams @ 10 = 60, 8 turrets @ 8 = 64. You don't pack 8 beams unless you know you can counter the drain.
Remember being cannons turrets have a massive DPS drop at ranges over 5k where beams lose very little. A Cruiser rarely gets up close and personal like an Escort.
Beams are 220 DPV or 176 DPS
Turrets are 99 DPV or 132 DPS
All numbers based on Mk 12 white gear on the information presented at STOwiki
I was once DKnight1000, apparently I had taken my own name so now I'm DKnight0001. If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why. When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
My spreadsheet calculations have shown me otherwise. However, as I stated, I'm not claiming 8 turrets would be the best setup. All I'm saying is that, theoretically, they have the best dps. In practice, they do not. That includes long ranges, keeping stuff in arcs better than average, etc.
My spreadsheet calculations have shown me otherwise. However, as I stated, I'm not claiming 8 turrets would be the best setup. All I'm saying is that, theoretically, they have the best dps. In practice, they do not. That includes long ranges, keeping stuff in arcs better than average, etc.
Apologies I missed that little one liner in there.
Theory and Practice are two different things.
I was once DKnight1000, apparently I had taken my own name so now I'm DKnight0001. If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why. When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
No problem. I was merely trying to show that turrets really aren't as bad as people make them out to be. Even if, in practice, things don't turn out as rosy as they do on paper. I agree with you fully that cruisers may be better off with beams.
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I was actually toying with a FED-DREAD and the concept of all turrets save for a front/rear tubes... Tubes being Tri-cobalt. May go with T-C mines at rear.
FWIW, the mines work really well with the cloak.
Why this thread got resurrected I'll never know.
The point is Turrets are working as intended and won't be buffed anytime soon. Since the original poster never went into the question of how which I repeatedly asked, I think we can consider this thread done. Does more shots mean less DPV but the same DPS? Or more of both? Are Procs based per volley or per cycle? If per Volley will procs be lowered to counter the increased amount fired.
A single person demanding more from a weapon is rarely going to see an increase.
thibash, 6 beams will out dps 8 turrets easily especially at ranges over 5k. But the argument isn't even about 8 turrets vs 8 beams. But for arguments sake 6 beams @ 10 = 60, 8 turrets @ 8 = 64. You don't pack 8 beams unless you know you can counter the drain.
Remember being cannons turrets have a massive DPS drop at ranges over 5k where beams lose very little. A Cruiser rarely gets up close and personal like an Escort.
Beams are 220 DPV or 176 DPS
Turrets are 99 DPV or 132 DPS
All numbers based on Mk 12 white gear on the information presented at STOwiki
If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why.
When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
Apologies I missed that little one liner in there.
Theory and Practice are two different things.
If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why.
When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.