You think people didnt argue in Star Trek? Did you forget Picard flying off the handle and throwing a rifle through a glass case? Or Spock almost choking Kirk to death after he said he didnt love his mother?
Both of which happened -after- Gene's passing. First Contact in 1996, and then the 2009 Movie. Had Gene been alive, neither of which would likely have happened.
How much senseless arguing went on in TOS and TNG, unless crew members were under the effect of a drug or similar?
I'm not going to touch the others, as others will already have; but this one bothered me.
Kirk was in his mid-thirties when Chekov was assigned to the Enterprise. Even though, we didn't see his character in the episode Space Seed; it was stated he was there in TWOK. All references in the TOS, showed us that Chekov was a fresh graduate from the Academy; making him about 22 when he was assigned to the Enterprise.
Chekov is closer to about 12 years younger than Kirk.
DING! DING! DING!
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That was just one thing among many things
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Wow, Sollvax was jumping through wormholes to justify that his opinion was the end-all, be-all argument, including illogical attempts to poke through other sound arguments...
That's just sad.
But on topic, having Gary Mitchell as the villian (if it is true) would be cool I liked him in TOS when he slowly went insane, and the creepy glowing eyes helped.
Of course, this could be leading us on, as said in this thread. But whoever/whatever the villian is, I'll judge him/her/it on my own merits
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Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
it's days like these i wish the ignore from the game carried over into the forums still.
a certain posters fingers must be bleeding from all the straws he has been clutching at. every time i think he might have come back with a cogent argument - it's a swing and a miss.
Speaking of which, an aside- I've not been able to find one, is there in fact an ignore function here or is this a "You're at the trolls' mercy" forum?
Step-by-step instructions would be much appreciated, I'm sure anyone responding even knows what name to fill in.
which is not saying the same as it didnt stink worse than a skunks butt in Georgia in the middle of August
I'm right there with you, friend. I didn't like JJ Trek much either. But pretending it wasn't a money-making machine like some posters are attempting to do is just denying the basic reality of the situation.
Gary Mitchell was already a bad guy. Might i point out the episode "Where No Man has Gone Before"
Yeah, I know. But in a movie we will probably get a little more character development then space lightning/glowie eyes/god complex bad guy. Thats what I am hoping for anyway.
actually the best way to make this film a success would be to KILL the whole cast and have a REAL enterprise crew from the 25th century turn up and Revert the reboot
Aren't those all just remakes, not squeals?
Also the Star Trek remake is the most successful Trek product ever created.
As much as I love the prime universe, it is dead on screen, no one but trekkies want it and that is a tiny bunch of people compared to the market that enjoyed the remake. Most trekkies loved the remake, the only problem was the half-assed plot but I let them away with that, I expect the squeal to have a much more fleshed out plot this time round now that we have all the characters introduced.
Also the Star Trek remake is the most successful Trek product ever created.
As much as I love the prime universe, it is dead on screen, no one but trekkies want it and that is a tiny bunch of people compared to the market that enjoyed the remake. Most trekkies loved the remake, the only problem was the half-assed plot but I let them away with that, I expect the squeal to have a much more fleshed out plot this time round now that we have all the characters introduced.
Oh man are you going to get an earful when sollvax wakes up.
Also the Star Trek remake is the most successful Trek product ever created.
As much as I love the prime universe, it is dead on screen, no one but trekkies want it and that is a tiny bunch of people compared to the market that enjoyed the remake. Most trekkies loved the remake, the only problem was the half-assed plot but I let them away with that, I expect the squeal to have a much more fleshed out plot this time round now that we have all the characters introduced.
Now wait just one cotton-pickin minute here. Yes, I am a trekkie that enjoyed the reboot, but the prime universe is not necessarily dead on screen. I would love to see another movie from the TNG era (that's most likely not going to happen). The problem is that Paramount really didn't care about us fans at all, only paying us lip service, while insulting our intelligence. Proof in point is the final episodes of DS9 and Voyager (ESPECIALLY THAT ONE) and the series that shall not be named. It's a shame they had to do a reboot to liven the series, albeit a decent one, but they ruined the prime universe themselves. It would still be real easy to bring the type of space opera back that was TNG. The new reboot was less an opera like the traditional series has been, and more an action/adventure. I think the Space Opera would work well on television, if they would stop insulting the fans and actually pay attention to what we want.
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The Prime universe IS dead on screen. Two words: Reality TV. It's cheap to make and the mindless drones, who don't want to have to actually THINK about what they're watching, can't get enough of it.
Yeah, that's the problem isn't it? The Prime Universe was considered intelligent TV and society has been dumbed down. As much as I enjoyed the new action/adventure style from the Star Trek reboot, I certainly wouldn't classify it as an intelligent space opera.
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...actually, no they aren't good examples since all but ONE aren't even the same genre and it was one of the "early" reboot attempts for Sci-Fi. :rolleyes:
actually the best way to make this film a success would be to KILL the whole cast and have a REAL enterprise crew from the 25th century turn up and Revert the reboot
While I'll agree with the first two in your list I have to disagree with Psycho.
It may have been a flop financially. But as an Experiment it was interesting. It proved that it is completely impossible to recreate a film shot for shot.
Many people refer to this film as a duplicate of the 1960 film rather than a remake. Film critic Roger Ebert wrote that the film "demonstrates that a shot-by-shot remake is pointless; genius apparently resides between or beneath the shots, or in chemistry that cannot be timed or counted." Screenwriter Joseph Stefano, who worked on the 1960 version, thought that although she spoke the same lines, Anne Heche portrays Marion Crane as an entirely different character. Even Van Sant admitted that it was an experiment that proved that no one can really copy a film exactly the same way as the original.
you win a cookie! hell come to mobile and i'll buy you dinner 8)
That was just one thing among many things
Completely irrelevant, with the relaunch of trek NOTHING before trek XI exists. I'm actually surprised they kept the character names and 'Enterprise'. I guess they need a tether to the old audience to be successful. Chekov could be Kirks father and it would be canon because JJ put it on 1 film.
I'm right there with you, friend. I didn't like JJ Trek much either. But pretending it wasn't a money-making machine like some posters are attempting to do is just denying the basic reality of the situation.
Yep.
Yeah, I know. But in a movie we will probably get a little more character development then space lightning/glowie eyes/god complex bad guy. Thats what I am hoping for anyway.
The reason JJ Trek made so much money it was dumbed down to the point my EX could walk away from the Alabama Football stuff and understand it... well most of it.
When I hear oh i like "Star Trek now" and i understand how dumbed down it is all i can do is /e facepalm. Which also makes me wonder about those who try to defend it.
As for Complex Character development? In a JJ Trek? thats like an Oxymoron. You know Police Work. Military Intellegence, Pygmy Elephant, Jumbo Shrimp. if the last movie is any indication the only thing going to get more complex will be the lens flares.
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Completely irrelevant, with the relaunch of trek NOTHING before trek XI exists. I'm actually surprised they kept the character names and 'Enterprise'. I guess they need a tether to the old audience to be successful. Chekov could be Kirks father and it would be canon because JJ put it on 1 film.
I'm afraid you're wrong there
Nero's interference caused an alternate universe, the one JJ's Trek takes place in. However, the Prime universe co-exists alongside it, almost completely unaffected (the only changes being Spock and Nero are 'missing').
After all, the Prime universe has to keep existing, otherwise STO wouldn't be what it is now.
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Nero's interference caused an alternate universe, the one JJ's Trek takes place in. However, the Prime universe co-exists alongside it, almost completely unaffected (the only changes being Spock and Nero are 'missing').
After all, the Prime universe has to keep existing, otherwise STO wouldn't be what it is now.
you are correct.
especially since it was proven in Next Gen that there are multitudes of universes side by side each other where the only diffrence is one thing happened different in those universes.
All it means is when that idiot Romulan miner showed up there where thousands of universes where he didnt.
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Both of which happened -after- Gene's passing. First Contact in 1996, and then the 2009 Movie. Had Gene been alive, neither of which would likely have happened.
How much senseless arguing went on in TOS and TNG, unless crew members were under the effect of a drug or similar?
DING! DING! DING!
you win a cookie! hell come to mobile and i'll buy you dinner 8)
That was just one thing among many things
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That's just sad.
But on topic, having Gary Mitchell as the villian (if it is true) would be cool
Of course, this could be leading us on, as said in this thread. But whoever/whatever the villian is, I'll judge him/her/it on my own merits
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Speaking of which, an aside- I've not been able to find one, is there in fact an ignore function here or is this a "You're at the trolls' mercy" forum?
Step-by-step instructions would be much appreciated, I'm sure anyone responding even knows what name to fill in.
Stop beating it, its already dead, bury it and move on PLEASE!
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I'm right there with you, friend. I didn't like JJ Trek much either. But pretending it wasn't a money-making machine like some posters are attempting to do is just denying the basic reality of the situation.
Yep.
Yeah, I know. But in a movie we will probably get a little more character development then space lightning/glowie eyes/god complex bad guy. Thats what I am hoping for anyway.
Aren't those all just remakes, not squeals?
Also the Star Trek remake is the most successful Trek product ever created.
As much as I love the prime universe, it is dead on screen, no one but trekkies want it and that is a tiny bunch of people compared to the market that enjoyed the remake. Most trekkies loved the remake, the only problem was the half-assed plot but I let them away with that, I expect the squeal to have a much more fleshed out plot this time round now that we have all the characters introduced.
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Oh man are you going to get an earful when sollvax wakes up.
Now wait just one cotton-pickin minute here. Yes, I am a trekkie that enjoyed the reboot, but the prime universe is not necessarily dead on screen. I would love to see another movie from the TNG era (that's most likely not going to happen). The problem is that Paramount really didn't care about us fans at all, only paying us lip service, while insulting our intelligence. Proof in point is the final episodes of DS9 and Voyager (ESPECIALLY THAT ONE) and the series that shall not be named. It's a shame they had to do a reboot to liven the series, albeit a decent one, but they ruined the prime universe themselves. It would still be real easy to bring the type of space opera back that was TNG. The new reboot was less an opera like the traditional series has been, and more an action/adventure. I think the Space Opera would work well on television, if they would stop insulting the fans and actually pay attention to what we want.
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I was just about to post something along those lines. :P
But a production's ability to sell is not necessarily synonymous with quality. Prime example: Justin Beiber.
Yeah, that's the problem isn't it? The Prime Universe was considered intelligent TV and society has been dumbed down. As much as I enjoyed the new action/adventure style from the Star Trek reboot, I certainly wouldn't classify it as an intelligent space opera.
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...actually, no they aren't good examples since all but ONE aren't even the same genre and it was one of the "early" reboot attempts for Sci-Fi. :rolleyes:
Trek was spelled correctly. They at least got that right.
While I'll agree with the first two in your list I have to disagree with Psycho.
It may have been a flop financially. But as an Experiment it was interesting. It proved that it is completely impossible to recreate a film shot for shot.
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Completely irrelevant, with the relaunch of trek NOTHING before trek XI exists. I'm actually surprised they kept the character names and 'Enterprise'. I guess they need a tether to the old audience to be successful. Chekov could be Kirks father and it would be canon because JJ put it on 1 film.
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The reason JJ Trek made so much money it was dumbed down to the point my EX could walk away from the Alabama Football stuff and understand it... well most of it.
When I hear oh i like "Star Trek now" and i understand how dumbed down it is all i can do is /e facepalm. Which also makes me wonder about those who try to defend it.
As for Complex Character development? In a JJ Trek? thats like an Oxymoron. You know Police Work. Military Intellegence, Pygmy Elephant, Jumbo Shrimp. if the last movie is any indication the only thing going to get more complex will be the lens flares.
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Nero's interference caused an alternate universe, the one JJ's Trek takes place in. However, the Prime universe co-exists alongside it, almost completely unaffected (the only changes being Spock and Nero are 'missing').
After all, the Prime universe has to keep existing, otherwise STO wouldn't be what it is now.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
you are correct.
especially since it was proven in Next Gen that there are multitudes of universes side by side each other where the only diffrence is one thing happened different in those universes.
All it means is when that idiot Romulan miner showed up there where thousands of universes where he didnt.
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