Being a non ST-Fan, I need a question answered. Assuming you are in negotiations with aliens and they want you to go on a hunt with them. Would the SF officer refuse to hunt, since they are all prim and proper? Would it be up to the officer at all if it meant a lot to the Federation?
I asked my husband about this and he said Picard was forced onto a planet with an alien Captain to hunt a beast that almost killed them. But I am not talking self defense, I am talking about hunting defenseless animals. Would the SF officer decline it at the risk of blowing the negotiations?
This is for another Foundry mission I am working on at the moment. I don't want to write something up and have 100 irate fans tell me the Federation would never take part in a hunt.
There have been several instances of Starfleet personel (pre-TOS) being clearly opposed to eating meat from slaughtered animals, and there have also been indications of some of them disliking hunts (Such as Chakotay in VOY).
On the other hand, there have also been indications that some of them feel it's ok.
The best answer is possibly: Depends on the situation and the person.
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The best answer is possibly: Depends on the situation and the person.
Yeah, that's probably the best answer there.
As far as I know, the Federation doesn't have any laws against hunting or the consumption of non-replicated meat. I would also imagine that hunting would be taught as a part of Starfleet survival training. In that sense, I suppose it would all come down to the individual views of each person.
Vulcan are normally Vegetarian (Going from mainly T'pol here)
However on the other side of the scale we have Worf who when he is trapped in the POW camp with the Klingons and Romulans who live together. Worf takes another Klingon on a Hunt and he was a Federation officer at the time.
I'm just glad they brought the replicators in as the coloured squares I saw Kirk eating once must have been nasty wonder why he never had a chef like Archer
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For survival (like the Reman arc mission, Coliseum's Eng option), I'd think it's acceptable.
I'd think that generally, it would be frowned upon for sport.
What sandukutupu said about fostering good diplomatic relations, I would think would be an acceptable exception. It's not uncommon for a Starfleet officer to go above and beyond for diplomacy.
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I'd expect most Starfleet personnel to react diplomatically. If it's an important custom, it will probably be respected. But if something questionable arises, it may also be directly addressed.
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Well in the final episode of DS9 Worf is made the Federation Ambassador to the Klingon Empire, Chancellor Martok exclames "At last an Ambassador who will go Targ hunting with me!"
That sort of implies that some Federation personnel won't go hunting.
Although, in "Basics Part II" Tuvok assembles a bow intending to use it to hunt, and the Ent episode "Carbon Creek" a Vulcan suggests killing a deer for food. So the Vulcans will hunt if survival requires.
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I'd never call a wild beast defenseless (just ask Ring Robert), that being said I don't think there'd be a federation rule prohibiting hunting but we get hints that sensibilities have evolved to culturally oppose the practice.
So, a Starfleet Officer probably wouldn't risk a faux-pas by refusing to hunt, but unless it's Worf, said Officer probably won't like it.
And I'm not so sure all Vulcans are vegetarians (though that's a tangential matter at best, anyway): T'Pol certainly is, but I don't think Tuvok is, for instance.
I think most Starfleet officers would honor the customs of another society as long as they are not in direct conflict with Starfleet regulations or downright immoral like human sacrifices.
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Why would the Federation have anything against hunting? Its kind of hard to get more in tune with "nature" than that.
That being said, Id imagine that a lot of the citizens of the Federation would blanch at it, seeing as it would probably never come up or occur to them. Why bother going hunting when you can just walk to the replicator and order up a hut fudge sundae?
On the other hand, Im sure there are also a number of cultures for whom it remains a very integral part of society. All anthropomorphic attempts aside, Caitians, for example, are cats. Fun for cats (even house cats) is playing with some living creature in such a manner that were they human, we would term sadistic, but as they are cats, its perfectly and completely normal. Pretty much every game you play with your kitty is some form of hunting skills practice.
And, in extension of that, I am certain that there would still be plenty of regular garden variety humans on Earth the regularly go out hunting. And, Id guess that there would be even more than there are today who use deliberately primitive tools: single shot bolt-action rifles or maybe even bows, just to make it more 'sporting.'
I think most Starfleet officers would honor the customs of another society as long as they are not in direct conflict with Starfleet regulations or downright immoral like human sacrifices.
Yeah, cause they would never violate the Prime Directive. :rolleyes:
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Yeah, cause they would never violate the Prime Directive. :rolleyes:
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Back to the OP. I'm sure that the practice has died out some, but it would still have participants just like today. Some people view it as a fun sport. Some see it as connecting to their ancestors (Klingons, and some humans in the west today). For Others, it may be a way to skip all the processing of food between the replicator (Like some food purist today. Or Joe's Sisko's Restaurant, Or Michel Eddington). Or it maybe steeped in cultural significance
(The Tosk from a DS9 episode, or the Hirogen).
And then, on the other side of the coin, you have people who are against it, such as animal activist, People who like the convenience of the replicator, Humans who have 'evolved" past such barbaric practices, and so on.
The Federation, and thus, Starfleet is a mixture of all different types of cultures, and all different types of people. Even in extreme circumstances, (Like the sentience of the prey in Tosk), the Federation will step back and allow the culture to do what they see fit. They may not actively hunt, but they will not prevent others form doing the same.
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The Federation, and thus, Starfleet is a mixture of all different types of cultures, and all different types of people. Even in extreme circumstances, (Like the sentience of the prey in Tosk), the Federation will step back and allow the culture to do what they see fit. They may not actively hunt, but they will not prevent others form doing the same.
This is my vote for how they'll react, but I'll also add that the Federation would raise objections if it was discovered that the targets are sentient.
And I'm not so sure all Vulcans are vegetarians (though that's a tangential matter at best, anyway): T'Pol certainly is, but I don't think Tuvok is, for instance.
Traditional Vulcans are vegetarian more as a matter of choice than of social necessity--it is after all "illogical" to inflict suffering upon other creatures needlessly, but it can be acceptable when needed (e.g. the suffering of letting oneself and one's companions go unfed when other food is unavailable can be regarded as greater than the suffering of an animal that is killed for food in a merciful manner).
I don't think the previous ambassador being unwilling to go hunting has to directly correlate with Starfleet opinions at all. Ambassadors generally aren't chosen for being outdoorsy hunters, after all.
Also, I can totally picture Sulu chasing down deer with a katana.
Wasn't Worf made ambassador specifically so he could go Targ hunting with Martok? This was stated right in front of Sisko and Adm. Ross, who didn't object. Just sayin'...
I'm a big fan of Bear and his show, Man vs Wild. Lets alter reality for a moment and say that Bear is an academy proffessor specializing in survival training for cadets. Pick any episode of Man vs Wild and set aside disbelief and imagine the show is taking place for the benefit of starfleet personal.
With that said, no I don't think Picard would slaughter a defenseless animal for pleasure, but a hunt that uses the animal for food is not sadistic.
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On the other hand, there have also been indications that some of them feel it's ok.
The best answer is possibly: Depends on the situation and the person.
Yeah, that's probably the best answer there.
As far as I know, the Federation doesn't have any laws against hunting or the consumption of non-replicated meat. I would also imagine that hunting would be taught as a part of Starfleet survival training. In that sense, I suppose it would all come down to the individual views of each person.
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However on the other side of the scale we have Worf who when he is trapped in the POW camp with the Klingons and Romulans who live together. Worf takes another Klingon on a Hunt and he was a Federation officer at the time.
I'm just glad they brought the replicators in as the coloured squares I saw Kirk eating once must have been nasty wonder why he never had a chef like Archer
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This will be for a KDF mission so I know the Klingon player will gladly hunt for sport.
Thanks again! If anyone has another opinion, I would be happy to hear it.
I'd think that generally, it would be frowned upon for sport.
What sandukutupu said about fostering good diplomatic relations, I would think would be an acceptable exception. It's not uncommon for a Starfleet officer to go above and beyond for diplomacy.
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That sort of implies that some Federation personnel won't go hunting.
Although, in "Basics Part II" Tuvok assembles a bow intending to use it to hunt, and the Ent episode "Carbon Creek" a Vulcan suggests killing a deer for food. So the Vulcans will hunt if survival requires.
So, a Starfleet Officer probably wouldn't risk a faux-pas by refusing to hunt, but unless it's Worf, said Officer probably won't like it.
And I'm not so sure all Vulcans are vegetarians (though that's a tangential matter at best, anyway): T'Pol certainly is, but I don't think Tuvok is, for instance.
That being said, Id imagine that a lot of the citizens of the Federation would blanch at it, seeing as it would probably never come up or occur to them. Why bother going hunting when you can just walk to the replicator and order up a hut fudge sundae?
On the other hand, Im sure there are also a number of cultures for whom it remains a very integral part of society. All anthropomorphic attempts aside, Caitians, for example, are cats. Fun for cats (even house cats) is playing with some living creature in such a manner that were they human, we would term sadistic, but as they are cats, its perfectly and completely normal. Pretty much every game you play with your kitty is some form of hunting skills practice.
And, in extension of that, I am certain that there would still be plenty of regular garden variety humans on Earth the regularly go out hunting. And, Id guess that there would be even more than there are today who use deliberately primitive tools: single shot bolt-action rifles or maybe even bows, just to make it more 'sporting.'
Yeah, cause they would never violate the Prime Directive. :rolleyes:
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Unless they was a hot green skinned alien babe involved
Back to the OP. I'm sure that the practice has died out some, but it would still have participants just like today. Some people view it as a fun sport. Some see it as connecting to their ancestors (Klingons, and some humans in the west today). For Others, it may be a way to skip all the processing of food between the replicator (Like some food purist today. Or Joe's Sisko's Restaurant, Or Michel Eddington). Or it maybe steeped in cultural significance
(The Tosk from a DS9 episode, or the Hirogen).
And then, on the other side of the coin, you have people who are against it, such as animal activist, People who like the convenience of the replicator, Humans who have 'evolved" past such barbaric practices, and so on.
The Federation, and thus, Starfleet is a mixture of all different types of cultures, and all different types of people. Even in extreme circumstances, (Like the sentience of the prey in Tosk), the Federation will step back and allow the culture to do what they see fit. They may not actively hunt, but they will not prevent others form doing the same.
This is my vote for how they'll react, but I'll also add that the Federation would raise objections if it was discovered that the targets are sentient.
Traditional Vulcans are vegetarian more as a matter of choice than of social necessity--it is after all "illogical" to inflict suffering upon other creatures needlessly, but it can be acceptable when needed (e.g. the suffering of letting oneself and one's companions go unfed when other food is unavailable can be regarded as greater than the suffering of an animal that is killed for food in a merciful manner).
Also, I can totally picture Sulu chasing down deer with a katana.
With that said, no I don't think Picard would slaughter a defenseless animal for pleasure, but a hunt that uses the animal for food is not sadistic.