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New Ship Idea: Wells Class
carbongrip
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Hey everyone seen a cool ship for the game! The Wells Class from star trek voyager from the future. So I figured I would throw it out there and see what others think of it and ideas for builds it could have.
For picture and info search for it on memory alpha website.
For picture and info search for it on memory alpha website.
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Else you're telling the folks who would be providing such a feature to do their own research. May wind up with a rowboat floating through space.
Introducing it to the game now would sense how again?
A ship 400 years in the future would be like taking the Enterprise-F in its infinite sophistication, its ability to single-handedly pulverize entire solar systems without too much trouble at all, and introducing it to today's war-mongering USA military.
Ridiculous.
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I don't think I could have said it any better myself.
"Yes, I fly a Galaxy-X... and yes, I just 1-shotted you with it." -- Alcione@Hakaishin
"they could make a Replica of the ship (much like the NX), build it as close to specifications as possible with current technology, and call it the Wells Class
it'd be fairly easy, assuming Voyager got accurate scans"
Making a Wells Class would not be ridiculous under that circumstance. That is all.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
No.
I'm pretty sure any scans Voyager got (I don't even think they were ever in a position to scan the Relativity were they?) would be buried so deep, the Narada's ridiculous mining platform couldn't even get to them. That's assuming of course a temporal agent doesn't make sure that such scans are destroyed. And then why would Star Fleet replicate a ship from their future? That's ridiculous in and of itself. If we start flying ships that look like their from hundreds of years in the future, wouldn't that butterfly into the design of the Wells-Class changing in the future to avoid being associated with a ship design in the past, negating the existence of such replicas in the first place?
Difference is that the NX has been in service for a many years, and its design specifications in its entirety were not simply based on an external scan (that's like saying the Bajorans could recreate the Enterprise-F simply by scanning it). No different than us currently taking a WWII Aircraft Carrier, or really any other sea-fairing ship to include those hundreds of years old in general design, and refitting it with modern technology.
The Wells had never been so much as looked at or analyzed directly by Fed Engineers. And even if they were, it is technology 400+ years from the future.
That would be no different than a 17th century ship engineer analyzing the US Navy's Gerald R. Ford Supercarrier class currently being developed, or the Space Shuttle Columbia.
I'm sorry. The most they *might* be able to do is mimic the exterior appearance (and even that is a maybe depending on engineering functionality, which again, is similar to comparing the ships used by Christopher Columbus to the U.S.S. Nimitz).
"Yes, I fly a Galaxy-X... and yes, I just 1-shotted you with it." -- Alcione@Hakaishin
However going on missions to the future and seeing ships like the Wells, Aeon, Enterprise J or the Spirit types would be good.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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I'm thinking they could do the same for the Wells Class, should it ever be introduced. If they could recreate a ship from another reality, they could make an effort on a ship from the future.
Plus like I said, they could make the ship under current technologies, while mimicing the ship's look as closely as possible. No one said it had to be a perfect replica
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
the flying rowboat is already in game.... well, the foundry at least.
So you think four decades is comparable to four centuries? Where did it say in game that Picard designed the Galaxy X from what he saw in those moments in the future, I must of missed that.
No, it shouldn't. Picard saw a ship 40 years in the future, and now 40 years later, that ship exists.
We're talking about a ship 400... 4-0-0... FOUR HUNDRED... not 40... 400... years later.
Do you not understand the difference of technology between 40 years of development and 400?
No, it is NOT possible.
"Yes, I fly a Galaxy-X... and yes, I just 1-shotted you with it." -- Alcione@Hakaishin
Difference is, the Galaxy-X is a possible evolution of the Galaxy Class, a ship which already existed in 2370. The redesign to include a 3rd warp nacelle, the "phaser lance", and an increase in warp velocity to Warp 13, may have already been in the planning stages long before Picard saw the Galaxy-X in the future. Just because he saw the ship, doesn't mean he had any influence on it's eventual creation.
Furthermore (as I stated in the other thread), a replica is a copy of something that PREVIOUSLY existed, such as the NX Class. The Wells Class hasn't even been conceived of, much less designed or created yet, by the time of 2409.
If they ever add the Wells Class to the game (using current tech or not), it will be either ridiculously overpowered, or ridiculously underpowered compared to what it should be. In any case, it won't be any good for anyone involved.
And don't get me started on the Enterprise-J ...
Thats a ship I'd like to see
hakaishin beat me to the punch.
When Picard saw the Galaxy-X he was already in the future, and Starfleet didn't attempt to start making Galaxy-X's 40 years prior to them being built. They started making them, in the future. If/When he gave any knowledge he had of the Galaxy-X over to Starfleet you didn't see a mad rush on Starfleets part to start creating replicas based off of it. The Galaxy-X in STO was developed around 2399 which puts in line for when the Galaxy-X of the Anti-time future came into service as well. The Anti-time future is also not wildly different from the one we see in STO either. For example: The Federation-Klingon Alliance has collapsed, Beverly Crusher commands the U.S.S. Pasteur, The Klingons have gone to war with the Romulans, Worf is back with the Klingon Empire, etc...
Al said he wanted to try and get the class into the game. If it's gonna come, don't you think there should some justifications? Even if they're flimsy? And I know replica means something that previously existed... but what else would you call a replica of a future ship class that you can't normally make?
Seriously, it's not as hard as many of you seem to think. And under what I'm proposing, is not really an issue that would normally involve tech from 400 years into the future. It'd be built under current tech, have relatively the same power as current tech, but resemble a future ship class (to a degree)
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
It may look like a Wells Class, but it's not the Wells Class.
Al says alot of stupid s--t, so I wouldn't put too much stock on some of the things he "wants". After all, Al didn't want the Ambassador Class in the game because he thought it was "too similar" to the Galaxy Class. But the Ambassador atleast fits the timeline. The Wells Class does not. End of story.
Considering how anal the time cops of the federation could be what makes you think they wouldn't put the kibosh on the ship designs...not to mention the ships was designed with tech from four hundred years in mind. You telling me some engineer would suddenly just come up with some ship design centuries in the future now?
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Anything that happens in 2409, will be "ancient history" to the temporal integrity commission of the 29th Century. They routinely monitor changes in the timeline. If Q himself would stop by in the 29th Century, pick up the designs for the Wells Class, then head back to 2409 and hand the plans over to Admiral Quinn, don't you think the "time cops" would notice?
Actually it is quite valid. The Galaxy-X is just an upgraded version of the Galaxy Class, using the same exact materials and technology. The 3rd warp nacelle shares the same tech and materials as the original 2 nacelles, and the phaser lance uses the same technology as conventional phaser weapons.
Plus, Janeway saw the ship. And she tends to break the rules half the time... maybe she told engineers of the class at one point, and they built a version of it.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Now if you want to suggest that some designer got ahold of the story heard about the hull form and had a cool idea for integrating that hull form with modern technology to create a diffrent but still wells inspired design, i can see that flying if we continue to ignore the department of temporoal investigations.
Did she now?
She saw the BRIDGE which is far different from seeing the actual ship. Unless she looked directly at a ship schematic, I find it hard to believe that she had enough time to memorize the looks of said schematic. And even if she did, she's swoen to uphold the Temporal Prime Directive. Which means, DON'T TELL ANYONE IN THE PAST, ANYTHING YOU'VE SEEN OR HEARD IN THE FUTURE.
That includes revealing information of a future ship class, to Starfleet Engineers.
and to her, the Temporal Prime Directive is another rule, to uphold one moment than break the next. you may not like her breaking rules at all, but she still does it.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Suffice it to say, it's bad enough that Cryptic takes ships that are 300 years old (NX Class) and puts it in 2409. Now they want to add ships that are 400 years MORE ADVANCED and put in the same time period. Anyone else see the ridiculousness of this?
Al did say ONE THING in the podcast that I wholeheartedly agree on... The possibility of a "Star Trek Online 2", which would correct alot of the stupid s--t in this game. Not holding out much hope for a sequel to STO, when they can't even get this game right.
Because the Gerald R. Ford Class Super Carrier can totally be constructed with the ship engineering technologies of the American Colonies of the late 1600's... that makes sense...
A time when a wooden ship with a sail was the pinnacle of shipping technology, being asked to reconstruct a dual-nuclear reactor warship without a sail, able to house 90 aircraft in a time when aircraft wasn't even invented yet, missile technology when missiles weren't invented yet, the ship's sheer size being over 5x the largest ship of the time, able to accomodate a crew of 5,000 troops, and single-handedly able to annihilate an entire country...
/sarcasm
They couldn't even create something that LOOKED like it...
The comparison is identical. Today's most advanced Carrier class, constructed by the USA... being engineered by the American Engineers of 400 years ago (well, as close a comparison as possible... the United States didn't exist back then, but America did... though the fact the nation wasn't around makes no difference to the world's technological development).
"Yes, I fly a Galaxy-X... and yes, I just 1-shotted you with it." -- Alcione@Hakaishin
plus trying to apply real life events to a fictional world, and furthermore, apply that same logic to a video game based on that fiction... THAT doesn't make sense
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.