Who was the genius behind stripping people from using avatars? Furthermore, who was the genius that decided white text over pure black backround was a good idea?
Who was the genius that thought a 1 pixel signature, no ability for transparency, was a good idea?
You guys have plenty of money, hell I've supplied a fair amount of that money, I know you have the bandwidth to handle a signature with transparency and decent quality. What kind of joke are you trying to pull on us?
Edit: oh look I joined STO forums "Jun 2012" Yeah uh no.
I'm pretty sure its someone at PWE . Looks like all their other forums are like this also (Just like the SWTOR forums - at least we can use signatures here)
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Well like they say; 'All good things must come to an end'!
Season 6 better kick a**e, I'm leaving for the Olympics as military personel so I wont be on for months, this isn't how I wanted to leave STO! :mad::mad::mad:
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Yeah except uh you can't choose anything else, just their avatars. No uniqueness, they want to limit your individuality as much as possible.
and seriously, 100 pixels in height? You can't do ANYTHING with that in graphic design.
Actually its a godsend..... Some people had the overly large signatures.... You know huge ugly image and a paragraph of text listing every toon they have, every game DVD they bought and like 5 lines of dialogue that really maes no sense.
My feeling is if your sig is bigger than most of the actual posts then its too damn big
Actually its a godsend..... Some people had the overly large signatures.... You know huge ugly image and a paragraph of text listing every toon they have, every game DVD they bought and like 5 lines of dialogue that really maes no sense.
No, no one had that or they got moderated because we were still restricted in image size (500x150 pixels) and to five lines of text.
PWE restrict the avatars so that it is less for the community staff to moderate, it also adds a sense of uniformity. Another reason, is that if you look at Jade Dynasty or Perfect World International for example, there are no avatars as the avatars are a profile of your character showing it's faction/class/race and level. This is why all other forums are restricted (This forum follows the same standard as Rusty Hearts and RaiderZ).
The newer forums, such as these, are no longer using the character system as every character is a new forum account, restarting post counts, different inbox etc. This is easier to moderate and it stops people from hiding who they are to troll.
Signatures are restricted for the reasons stated above. I agree that there are an awful lot of restrictions here that shouldn't be restricted and I think Brandon is getting that fixed (most likely will come into play next week), but there are restrictions to keep things looking clean and making things easier to follow. I know it's one of my pet hates to have someone with a page long signature with multiple images and flashing pictures and size 7 text in bright colours. It's a nightmare.
Edit: Just checked my signature and these forums are actually copied from RaiderZ as my signature image is the same as my RaiderZ one. It makes sense, as RaiderZ follows the same page design style as STO.
who was the genius that decided white text over pure black backround was a good idea?
As opposed to black text on a white background? :rolleyes:
Seriously, white-on-black is actually a very good choice. It's easy on the eyes, can be read by color-blind people with absolutely no issues, and is very easy to match just about any forum theme to.
Customization is Cryptic's hallmark for their games. To take away customization where it once existed (like the forums), it tarnishes the hallmark of Cryptic Studios.
We want to be individuals, and to express our individuality.
Of course, if that can't be accomodated, can we at least get the Iconian symbol added to the list of avatars?
lol white text over black background. lol I'd love some pink over over yellow....
LOVED your signature!
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PWE restrict the avatars so that it is less for the community staff to moderate, it also adds a sense of uniformity.
??? Avatars and signatures are the least intensive offence to deal with. 1000 different posts by a user saying something requires 1000 responses by the staff. 1000 posts by a user with an improper avatar requires 1 response and the issue is entirely dealt with.
And a sense of uniformity isn't a good thing. This is supposed to be a community, and you can't foster a sense of community without individuality. People are less apt to form connections with faceless, disembodied names. We are, after all, a very visual species.
I know it's one of my pet hates to have someone with a page long signature with multiple images and flashing pictures and size 7 text in bright colours. It's a nightmare.
Which was NEVER possible. One signature image. 500x150 pixels. No animations. No more than five lines of text. 100x100 avatars. No animations.
None of what you're describing was part of the old forums. Did you never bother to visit them?
??? Avatars and signatures are the least intensive offence to deal with. 1000 different posts by a user saying something requires 1000 responses by the staff. 1000 posts by a user with an improper avatar requires 1 response and the issue is entirely dealt with.
And a sense of uniformity isn't a good thing. This is supposed to be a community, and you can't foster a sense of community without individuality. People are less apt to form connections with faceless, disembodied names. We are, after all, a very visual species.
I meant uniformity in that all PWE forums follow the same design structure and layout. PWE have had this avatar system since it opened the PWI forums about 4 years ago.
Which was NEVER possible. One signature image. 500x150 pixels. No animations. No more than five lines of text. 100x100 avatars. No animations.
None of what you're describing was part of the old forums. Did you never bother to visit them?
I did bother to visit them, and I wasn't talking about the old forums I was merely stating one of my pet hates. I never implied or stated that it's what I hated about the old forums, as it's incorrect.
Change can be hard for some - but I saw it as an excuse to work on a new sig
Change is one thing PWE does a lot, especially regarding websites. They release a new design yearly. The current STO, NW and RaiderZ design is the new 2012 layout for the game mini-sites. The current one on a majority of the games (PWI, JD etc.) is the 2011 redesign. And this: http://web.archive.org/web/20100729053655/http://hotk.perfectworld.com/ was the 2010 design.
I meant uniformity in that all PWE forums follow the same design structure and layout. PWE have had this avatar system since it opened the PWI forums about 4 years ago.
An inferior system. It's past time they upgraded instead of insisting that Cryptic forums downgrade to meet PWE's rather shoddy standard.
I did bother to visit them, and I wasn't talking about the old forums I was merely stating one of my pet hates. I never implied or stated that it's what I hated about the old forums, as it's incorrect.
Except you were in essence using that as a rebuttal of the ire directed toward the change to the new system. If it doesn't apply to the old system, than it's invalid rebuttal and meaningless to the conversation.
An inferior system. It's past time they upgraded instead of insisting that Cryptic forums downgrade to meet PWE's rather shoddy standard.
I get it, you're mad with the changes made. As I've stated in another thread, PWE are developing a new forum which all PWE sites will be updated to, there's no current preview or ETA, but I used to work on the Rusty Hearts forums and have spoken to Community Managers who are aware of the upcoming change. So consider this a temporary thing. Personally, I like the avatar system, but that's probably because it's mostly all I've seen in the past 3/4 years so I'm used to it.
Except you were in essence using that as a rebuttal of the ire directed toward the change to the new system. If it doesn't apply to the old system, than it's invalid rebuttal and meaningless to the conversation.
Actually, I was using it as a statement about why I think it's good PWE restrict their signatures. If unrestricted, it would be as described, I've used and worked on enough forums and gaming communities to know it happens quite a lot. So it wasn't invalid at all and I think you're just coming up with excuses now.
Right now, somewhere in the world, a player is wondering where his stripper painted green avatar went. His hands are trembling in barely controlled rage as he tries to type his tour favorite words;
Slap. In. The. Face.
He then curls up in a ball and cries at the injustice of it all.
I get it, you're mad with the changes made. As I've stated in another thread, PWE are developing a new forum which all PWE sites will be updated to, there's no current preview or ETA...
So why not leave the forums as they were until then? If there is a new improved standard in the mix why up date the website now to the old broken one? Why waste the time and labour to adopt a system that is on the way out? As a paying customer I tend to expect my money to be used more wisely than that.
Or if immediate changes have to be made (because God forbid something not be uniform) then why not have the rest adopt the much better standard that Cryptic had instead of lowering those standard to those held by the rest of the company? As a rule it's rarely wise to remove features and expect a customer to appreciate a lesser service being provided.
Actually, I was using it as a statement about why I think it's good PWE restrict their signatures. If unrestricted...
It was never unrestricted. No one is asking for it to be unrestricted.
When someone says they don't like the new system, and you say the new system is good and and then start going on about "ZOMG massive flashing images, HUGE text, FORUM ANARCHY!" that directly implies that, yes, the alternative is that forum anarchy that never existed and no one wants.
Maybe this isn't your intention to say that, but that is what you're communicating. You are making a straw man argument to support your view.
happy bro some people try so hard to backpeadal, dnt waste ur time trying to provide that person with common sense......its obviously to much for them to handle
I think the real genius is the guy that put the "Edit your Avatar" thingy next to the ad bar below the header.
Even if we actually could have customized avatars, it's a waste of space since no one needs this feature that often to have it in such a prominent space at such a large size.
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So why not leave the forums as they were until then? If there is a new improved standard in the mix why up date the website now to the old broken one? Why waste the time and labour to adopt a system that is on the way out? As a paying customer I tend to expect my money to be used more wisely than that.
Or if immediate changes have to be made (because God forbid something not be uniform) then why not have the rest adopt the much better standard that Cryptic had instead of lowering those standard to those held by the rest of the company? As a rule it's rarely wise to remove features and expect a customer to appreciate a lesser service being provided.
For a start, I do not know when these forums will come into effect, it could possibly be with the 2013 redesign, could be sooner, could be later. The reason the forums were changed is to integrate it into PWE. That's the bottom line and the main reason why they were changed. It wasn't going to be Cryptic forever.
It was never unrestricted. No one is asking for it to be unrestricted.
When someone says they don't like the new system, and you say the new system is good and and then start going on about "ZOMG massive flashing images, HUGE text, FORUM ANARCHY!" that directly implies that, yes, the alternative is that forum anarchy that never existed and no one wants.
Maybe this isn't your intention to say that, but that is what you're communicating. You are making a straw man argument to support your view.
Actually as excuse is saying that PWE's system is good because it prevents things that were never a problem.
I'm not longer engaging in that conversation, let's just get back to the matter at hand, I was stating one of my PERSONAL pet hates ("A pet peeve (or pet hate) is a minor annoyance that an individual identifies as particularly annoying to him or her, to a greater degree than others may find it.") and I never said nor implied that it was in effect on the old forums.
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I'm just happy that we still get signatures.
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Three years and still no Captain Klaa hair...
Yeah except uh you can't choose anything else, just their avatars. No uniqueness, they want to limit your individuality as much as possible.
and seriously, 100 pixels in height? You can't do ANYTHING with that in graphic design.
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Season 6 better kick a**e, I'm leaving for the Olympics as military personel so I wont be on for months, this isn't how I wanted to leave STO! :mad::mad::mad:
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Episode Seven - Shattered Universe Episode Eight - The Gepetto Condition Episode Nine - One Room, Two Officers
Episode Ten - Beyond The Farthest Star Episode Eleven - It's OK, It Won't Hurt Episode Twelve - A Protracted Officer
Episode Thirteen - Somewhen Episode Fourteen - The Boy Who Lived Episode Fifthteen - Empathy
Actually its a godsend..... Some people had the overly large signatures.... You know huge ugly image and a paragraph of text listing every toon they have, every game DVD they bought and like 5 lines of dialogue that really maes no sense.
My feeling is if your sig is bigger than most of the actual posts then its too damn big
Ridiculous limitations aside, I tend to agree. The new ones are rather pretty.
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No, no one had that or they got moderated because we were still restricted in image size (500x150 pixels) and to five lines of text.
So you're lying.
Stop that.
The newer forums, such as these, are no longer using the character system as every character is a new forum account, restarting post counts, different inbox etc. This is easier to moderate and it stops people from hiding who they are to troll.
Signatures are restricted for the reasons stated above. I agree that there are an awful lot of restrictions here that shouldn't be restricted and I think Brandon is getting that fixed (most likely will come into play next week), but there are restrictions to keep things looking clean and making things easier to follow. I know it's one of my pet hates to have someone with a page long signature with multiple images and flashing pictures and size 7 text in bright colours. It's a nightmare.
Edit: Just checked my signature and these forums are actually copied from RaiderZ as my signature image is the same as my RaiderZ one. It makes sense, as RaiderZ follows the same page design style as STO.
As opposed to black text on a white background? :rolleyes:
Seriously, white-on-black is actually a very good choice. It's easy on the eyes, can be read by color-blind people with absolutely no issues, and is very easy to match just about any forum theme to.
We want to be individuals, and to express our individuality.
Of course, if that can't be accomodated, can we at least get the Iconian symbol added to the list of avatars?
LOVED your signature!
Episode Four - Head Of A Needle Episode Five: The Duality of Men Episode Six - Redemption Earned
Episode Seven - Shattered Universe Episode Eight - The Gepetto Condition Episode Nine - One Room, Two Officers
Episode Ten - Beyond The Farthest Star Episode Eleven - It's OK, It Won't Hurt Episode Twelve - A Protracted Officer
Episode Thirteen - Somewhen Episode Fourteen - The Boy Who Lived Episode Fifthteen - Empathy
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:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: CHANGE THE FORUMS BACK !!!
??? Avatars and signatures are the least intensive offence to deal with. 1000 different posts by a user saying something requires 1000 responses by the staff. 1000 posts by a user with an improper avatar requires 1 response and the issue is entirely dealt with.
And a sense of uniformity isn't a good thing. This is supposed to be a community, and you can't foster a sense of community without individuality. People are less apt to form connections with faceless, disembodied names. We are, after all, a very visual species.
Which was NEVER possible. One signature image. 500x150 pixels. No animations. No more than five lines of text. 100x100 avatars. No animations.
None of what you're describing was part of the old forums. Did you never bother to visit them?
I meant uniformity in that all PWE forums follow the same design structure and layout. PWE have had this avatar system since it opened the PWI forums about 4 years ago.
I did bother to visit them, and I wasn't talking about the old forums I was merely stating one of my pet hates. I never implied or stated that it's what I hated about the old forums, as it's incorrect.
Change is one thing PWE does a lot, especially regarding websites. They release a new design yearly. The current STO, NW and RaiderZ design is the new 2012 layout for the game mini-sites. The current one on a majority of the games (PWI, JD etc.) is the 2011 redesign. And this: http://web.archive.org/web/20100729053655/http://hotk.perfectworld.com/ was the 2010 design.
An inferior system. It's past time they upgraded instead of insisting that Cryptic forums downgrade to meet PWE's rather shoddy standard.
Except you were in essence using that as a rebuttal of the ire directed toward the change to the new system. If it doesn't apply to the old system, than it's invalid rebuttal and meaningless to the conversation.
I get it, you're mad with the changes made. As I've stated in another thread, PWE are developing a new forum which all PWE sites will be updated to, there's no current preview or ETA, but I used to work on the Rusty Hearts forums and have spoken to Community Managers who are aware of the upcoming change. So consider this a temporary thing. Personally, I like the avatar system, but that's probably because it's mostly all I've seen in the past 3/4 years so I'm used to it.
Actually, I was using it as a statement about why I think it's good PWE restrict their signatures. If unrestricted, it would be as described, I've used and worked on enough forums and gaming communities to know it happens quite a lot. So it wasn't invalid at all and I think you're just coming up with excuses now.
Slap. In. The. Face.
He then curls up in a ball and cries at the injustice of it all.
So why not leave the forums as they were until then? If there is a new improved standard in the mix why up date the website now to the old broken one? Why waste the time and labour to adopt a system that is on the way out? As a paying customer I tend to expect my money to be used more wisely than that.
Or if immediate changes have to be made (because God forbid something not be uniform) then why not have the rest adopt the much better standard that Cryptic had instead of lowering those standard to those held by the rest of the company? As a rule it's rarely wise to remove features and expect a customer to appreciate a lesser service being provided.
It was never unrestricted. No one is asking for it to be unrestricted.
When someone says they don't like the new system, and you say the new system is good and and then start going on about "ZOMG massive flashing images, HUGE text, FORUM ANARCHY!" that directly implies that, yes, the alternative is that forum anarchy that never existed and no one wants.
Maybe this isn't your intention to say that, but that is what you're communicating. You are making a straw man argument to support your view.
Actually an excuse is saying that PWE's system is good because it prevents things that were never a problem.
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Even if we actually could have customized avatars, it's a waste of space since no one needs this feature that often to have it in such a prominent space at such a large size.
For a start, I do not know when these forums will come into effect, it could possibly be with the 2013 redesign, could be sooner, could be later. The reason the forums were changed is to integrate it into PWE. That's the bottom line and the main reason why they were changed. It wasn't going to be Cryptic forever.
I'm not longer engaging in that conversation, let's just get back to the matter at hand, I was stating one of my PERSONAL pet hates ("A pet peeve (or pet hate) is a minor annoyance that an individual identifies as particularly annoying to him or her, to a greater degree than others may find it.") and I never said nor implied that it was in effect on the old forums.
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I don't see how it's a downgrade on the old forums, if anything it's an upgrade. The old ones were a real eyesore.