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I started a new account f2p to see what it is like to be one of them. the experience was eye opening. To play the game with absolutely nothing was weird to say the least. So I thought to myself 1st thing to do is join a fleet. When I recruit and someone joins my Beautiful Orion fleet always give them 50,000 credits. When I talked to recruiters they kept telling me to grind missions and get credits no one was willing to give up any cash. I logged into my gold account and sent my f2p 250,000. This enabled me to get the kind of gear i wanted to be successful grinding missions. There is real pressure to purchase c-store points when playing f2p because the beginner ship looks like a trash can, one white bo's, ground and space gear all sucked. I therefore change my mine about f2p accounts and my anger has changed to pity.:o
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And looks, and beauty lie in the eye of the beholder. I kind of dig the miranda or centaur design.
not sure how you accomplished that, since EC can't be send.
well not really in my opinion...maybe in endgame you need c-points to purchase another ship to stay competitive, but not really even that. Fleet escort, Advanced escort, assault cruiser and even star cruiser are cool ships and sufficent to play the game successfull even in PVP. Sure the stuff you can buy is cool and more or less worth spending from time to time, but not necessary and you are nowhere forced to get them.
And i also fail to see how it is necessary to buy equip to grind missions...those are super easy even in lower tier ships.
I don't know how you came to your conclusions that f2p accounts are pityfull. I can't agree on a single one of them, sry.
PS: well one, orion females are beautyfull...but more in a TRIBBLE sense in my opinion.
One of us! One of us!
*GASP!* It's just like a video game!
After this hardship, I'm shocked you didn't quit this experiment. You must have uncommon courage for a keyboard jockey!
I can understand that. It's a nightmare having to spend that extra ten seconds vaporizing those BoPs with the regular gear you get. And having to pay that 20EC for a new Boff on the Exchange?! That makes me want to become a communist!
You're like this Pulp song, but real life! Wowzies!
Just trade directly. I have a F2P account and I just invited my other character to my bridge and traded as I would with another player.
That's a coincidence, I feel the same way about you.
Ah, you see you're playing a F2P character, but you're not playing in a F2P mindset. The first thing you do isn't try and join a fleet, it's see what you can do in this great big game you've just entered - so missions, basically
This is quite typical, none of the fleets I've been in have had any kind of bonus incentive to join. Beautiful Orion are quite generous!
This is the point where I think you've effectively given up your experiment
To be fair, a F2Per doesn't know their gear sucks or their ship looks like space debris, they're busy going "OMG I'm playing Star Trek! And firing Photons! and I can even customise my ship weapons and have an away team, how awesome is that?" - it's only in retrospect you can look back and go "What the hell am I doing with this TRIBBLE?"
While being a F2Per is a grind, and not many people have much sympathy it's not quite as bad as you think it is, the missions are there to guide people through the levels, and they scale very well - your white starter equipment doesn't seem so bad if it's still taking out klingons and romulans effectively. You probably didn't want to grind missions because you'd played them before - as a F2Per I played every single mission in order (except the Ultimate Klingon, which glitched the first time I tried it), which got me most of the way to Rear Admiral while still giving me new content, it was only after that when I thought about joining a fleet or participating in group activity.
Don't get me wrong, being a noob sucks, but it's not absolutely terrible - waiting for endgame content after you've maxed is far worse
Unless you bought the game somewhere with a promo, say Gamestop for the Connie as I did, subscribed first characters began with the same white Boffs and the same ship at the same level. The moment you funded your "welfare" character from your gold account your experiment failed as it essentially became an alt of your gold rather than a stand alone character as a toon on a different WoW server would.
Also, the beginning missions are so easy you could practically set auto-fire and go afk. They're tuned to be easy so that new players, whether gaming pros new to the Star Trek genre or players new to gaming in general, do not get frustrated and turned away. There's no reason to be worried at all about gearing the first rank.
But honestly the only purpose I see for your "experiment" of slumming around STO is to stir up trouble on the forums. I pity you.
You must be one of those dudes that goes to Ker'rat and complains that Klingon ships are OP.
Given your ship starts with zero consoles (if nothing else), I would strongly suggest putting in at least a little outfitting time before even a normal STF.
And dropped weapons are fine and dandy but there is no guarantee you'll get consistent flavors (which is likely why there are rainbows out there, that and the fact that if you don't have the consoles to go with the weapon type you are going with, iti won't matter if you are mixing damage types).
Yes there are ways to get consoles and to fill out a damage type set, but it usually takes a bit of time to grind out the EC to play the exchange or the dilithium store (not to mention the desire to horde dilithium towards other things like C-points).
Oh, and bank space is also an issue, since you'll want to collect different damage types until you decide what you have enough of to commit to.
I notice one of the OP's big sticking points is not having 50k per fleet member as signing bonuses though.... fleets are NOT necessary. They might be after season 6 starts but so far they are only needed for fleet banks. At the very least, you certainly don't need one at low levels. Why not wait til you have the EC for signing bonuses? It will happen.
It is definately doable though, and the early levels don't really mattter. You should be through them in days. Seriously, this is one of the most F2P friendly games in existence.
The above quoted post is an example of "Winning" a thread.
I am in agreement. The whole anger to pity thing. Except I don't pity them at all.
I went from 'This person is offensive and makes me angry everytime she (might be he don't know) posts" to now, everytime I see a post from them, I have to open the thread, because likely ... likely it will be full of hilarity. Unintentional hilarity I am sure. But , if you can't laugh with them , might as well laugh at them, and their silly antics.
And to the OP.
I intend to test this myself , except not give up when life gets too hard for my new toon.
I imagine just what drops from a patrol mission alone can sell and get me started replicating provisions for 120 and reselling on xchange for 300 to start.
Missions drops will get me started weapon and console wise, and as someone pointed out earlier , you can find Blue doffs on the xchange for 1000, Green for 100, and white for 1. Building the crew I want should be easy enough.
You just gave up to easy.
I will report back later.
Once I get this new toon started.
Peace !
However you are only allowed to use one for posting on the forums.
If you are found out for example fanning flames with an alt account in a thread you made with your main account, then that is a ban incoming for sure. (I think... Well the punishment is surely severe, most likely alt account being banned from posting on the forum)
As for the OP... Need more sexy.
yeah im greedy I know
but at least im not running a "hottie" orion pretending to be a girl (not that im saying anyone specific is but Gods alive 99% of female orions are G.I.R.L.
I did the exact same thing a week or so ago, and I got my F2P experiment to Captain level without any help whatsoever from my main account. I stopped at Captain since I actually made her to be able to pass commander boffs back and forth between my own characters without having to nag peoples to help.
The only thing that F2P players might actually remotely *need* is boff slots.
Just to mythbust some thingies here:
- Rainbow ships without *any* consoles and common boffs with only trained skills can finish normal STFs easily if they're following one of the plans that work. They'll take longer than super-duper SNERT ships, but they should be able to get any space normal STF and optional without problems.
- the Azura mission and Tutorial give you 3 boffs, a phaser console, and like a Shield Array Mk2 [Dis] (which is perfect for Orion/Klingon/Gorn/Romulan missions)
- You can get a matched set of weapons from drops. They might not be all the same mk, but at least they'll be compatible with an energy console. If you really want to have absolutely everything up to date weapons, just redo the missions with the weapons you want. They have level-scaled rewards nowadays.
- Alternatively you can go rainbow and use those waffle-shaped all-energy consoles instead and keep the mk numbers higher. It's probably the same dps. a +26% console is actually only 8% in terms of final dps (it's additive, not multiplicative, and the +26% is applying to a mk0 version of your weapon only or something mathematically similar to that) and the waffle is about 5%. Goooo 3%! woo~~~
People go absolutely crazy over equipment. Going from white XII to purple acc dmgx2 is only 7.8% difference. That would only matter if you were missing an optional by what, 75 seconds? Even white X to purple XII dmgx2 is only about 19%, or 2.85 minutes of a 15-minute optional.
Seriously... /sigh
(All of this having been said though, it's not too hard to grind a few misshies and end up with a full set of energy-specific consoles in the 22-24 range and mk xi green/blue pewpews that will take you to within 92% of a purple XII snert for only 1/1000th of the effort).
No babe I am the KDF they are complaining about.;)
The ones people complain about are mostly in a very different fleet to you7
No I didn't give up. Life is so easy for me at my lvl I forgot how hard it was to lvl up from a nothing account. Well I have always been gold so I really didn't forget, ahhhh well what i am tryn to say is this experience has open my eyes to the hardships of the f2player. Why do fleets recruit, if they are not willing to help you with resources? I don't need to be told to grind missions. If f2players were recruited properly recruiters would give them something for joining. I mean you know from experience that having nothing isn't fun. My experiment was a sucess not a failure when I ask the recruiter for 50,000 and she refused I said to my self "other name of female dog place here" I have more credits then your entire fleet and your account. It made to mad to be told no. It was time to stop the experiment. I had all the data i needed and it changed my attitude from anger to pity.
I rolled Human, and decided to be as xenophobic as possible. I''m using an all-human very rare BOff roster, only colonising with human colonists (so as not to dilute the population of the new colonies I'm setting up with tainted blood), and only using human/federation weapons (phasers and proton torpedoes). I'm also not buying weapons or consoles from the exchange (in case I buy from a non-human character
As for getting EC, it's incredibly easy if you go to Kerrat as soon as it opens up for you (most of the players there at low level don't know what to do, so getting to the top of the leaderboard is pretty easy. Also, there's no KDF to get in the way for several levels).
Somehow, this confession does not surprise me in any way.
Other than the EC limit and some retrain tokens, pretty much everything I've bought with C-points has been for vanity. I'm sorry, but for all of Cryptic's faults, being ungenerous with free-to-play accounts is not one of them.
EDIT: I really cannot stress how unfathomably low the difficulty is on the default settings for STO. I'm positive you could run into a group of ground mobs, leave the keyboard, and when you come back half an hour later they'll have found a way to kill themselves for you.
Why should it bother me that the beginner ship looks bad when I trash it after a few hours anyway because I'm already level 20?
The same goes for buying Weapons. I didn't bother to actually make any effort to craft/buy weapons until I was Lv 50 and okay, maybe I would have been able to destroy some ships a few seconds faster but I never hit any point where I thought I might need to buy better gear to win battles. PvP and Team based missions where you need good gear won't start before Lv 50 and everything you actually buy before that will be obsolete the next day anyway because Leveling goes really, -realy- fast in STO.
Also... why on earth should any fleet pay a stranger for joining up? Maybe I'm getting this wrong but one should join a fleet because he has a common ground with them or knows people who already joined up, not because he is being payed for it.
Not to mention how do you make sure the player doesn't leave after being payed? Or decides to ditch STO for another game the next day?
+1
edit: I did very well when I started out. Picked up every thing that I could fine to resell. Found a couple decent help sites online and did a fair amount of reading. Knew that there was a site where one could actually search for help as well. (ie Google) Asked (and answered) questions in zone chat.
Despite all that I don't see any justification for posting on the forum and gloating about all of them "poor noobs" out there.
If people really took pity on new F2P captains these days they should go out and host community events to tranform lone ranger rainbow boaters into Star Trek roleplaying captains.
Because that's what I did since March after learning most of STO's intricate mechanics. And no, I don't "pity" anyone or lament the fact that each and every one of my alts have to grind everything from scratch from 0 dil and 0 EC. They level up just like everyone else, and they, like my first character, form alliances and task forces with other F2P players in similiar straits.
It's when pity turns into inadverdent ridicule that one must question matters such as motivation, morals, ethics, methods, etc etc. Because there are thousands of F2Pers out there who are completely happy with what F2P has to offer, and see no justification for spending on the C-store, and as such, using real world cash as a judge for player quality (in a game with F2P mechanics) is poor judgment.