Yes, a klingon wouldn't cry about the disparity... they'd get a bunch of friends and go TAKE the resources!
Of course, it's not possible to do that.
Also, klingons have complained about stuff before, in the movies. Remember the klingons complaining about Kirk? A lot of crying about his actions.
I am the only one who finds it ironic how the Klingon players on the forums are those who cry the most?
Don't know what ironic means do you?
It's pretty logical that the side that's abused and forgotten complains the most.
I find it humorous that Feds have been bawling for months about carriers and now that they have them, they want to flip the script and call Klingons whiny.
i think i have a solution that may appeal to both sides?
the saber class starship, very small, about BoP sized i think...
put a torp and a dual phaser beam in the front, and a turret in the back, and give it beam overload...
it's not a Bop, nor would the damage from it be quite as high, but i would personally love to be able to send one of them out...
Actually i think the new aquarious destroyer would prolly be a perfect fit, they are small enough to be stored on the carriers, roughly equal in power to the frigates.
Makes sense all the way around. Few minor tweaks from the layout of the npc one for a carrier version would work nicely, give it weapons in line with the frigate but change it to have more shields and less hull then the kdf version so that its different but still balanced.
You Feddies need to stop asking for KDF content to be ported to your faction. If you want KDF stuff so bad then roll a KDF toon, so much better than degrading factions to being exact copies of each other.
You Feddies need to stop asking for KDF content to be ported to your faction. If you want KDF stuff so bad then roll a KDF toon, so much better than degrading factions to being exact copies of each other.
This!
Just this!
It's there, just waiting for you to play, its irritating seeing people asking for the Fed version of KDF stuff, if you want then actually play as the KDF.
Other things I've seen people wanting to CARVE OFF the kdf this time include unique consoles, playable species.., battle cloaks..
Its just annoying! Yet the sad thing is we'll probably see things like this being implemented. i mean look back at what else the Fed players have carved off the kdf.
You dont see use screaming for multi vector Neg'vars, we dont scream for consoles that blind/confuse anyone near you.
(sorry if that seems rant-ish, but it kinda is, i play both fed/kdf, i like kdf, its DIFFERENT to fed, keep differences or do away with this silly concept of the factions being at war , even so, keep some of the content DIFFERENT to eachother)
Federation players, they want everything it seems while kdf wants a degree of equality xD.
When was the last KDF content? e.g. ... ships.... species... stories... yeah
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It is rather telling how the Fed side wants everything that KDF gets. Yet anytime KDF people ask for anything, like simply more content the Fed side tells them that they are too small of a part of the player base to get new stuff.
So according to the Fed side, they should get everything the KDF has, but the KDF shouldn't get anything new, or have any sort of even footing as the Fed side.
It's there, just waiting for you to play, its irritating seeing people asking for the Fed version of KDF stuff, if you want then actually play as the KDF.
You Feddies need to stop asking for KDF content to be ported to your faction. If you want KDF stuff so bad then roll a KDF toon, so much better than degrading factions to being exact copies of each other.
Indeed. The Federation should stop asking for stuff the KDF has. Bad enough that the Federation now has carriers, too. The greed of the Federation is becoming disgusting.
If someone want to play with KDF stuff he should roll a KDF toon. That's what the free KDF Char slot is for.
The greed of the Federation is becoming disgusting.
Also the greedy Feds is against cannon because the Feds aren't supposed to be greedy that's why they are a socialist society in the series(one reason why I play KDF)
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I miss the raw damage the Kar'Fi does on my Atrox. The Kar'Fi with a markXII HG set, it's own high-yield TB torpedos, dispersal pattern beta TB mines, and the frigate? It's is just one long bloodly (mine and theirs) and pretty fireworks show of red and blue. It's also tissue paper compared to my Atrox.
I miss much of the utility my Atrox and it's stalker's have on my Kar'Fi. Being able to appear out of no where with the stalkers and mask energy sig is always fun. Being able to shield drain and zero aux power settings is also fun. The Atrox is a good tank and has a number of utilties the Kar'Fi does not.
Honestly? Some tweeks would be nice, I'm not going to cry if I get a frigate/BoP equivlent on my Atrox. The Atrox seems to be missing some love. Mostly though I think it's just a issue of the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence and not being happy with what you have.
im new to STO so i dunno about voicing my opinion, but im a massive fan of sci-fi in general and from my Perspective the KDF are throwing a fit that the feds got carriers... and the feds are whining that the KDF carriers/deployables are superior... but to be honest the federation should have had them from the start with the KDF, and why do you ask i would make this statement... well for two reasons... First of all.. we humans build Aircraft naval Carriers right now so it would only be logical to assume that one of us.. or the many member worlds would have thought to design one at some point for space warfare secondly... you may which to think back to all the other startrek games and novels that you've read that have referenced federation Carriers in the past... and i would assume that during the dominion wars in DS9 that those federation fighters were being carried by something
however... and there is allways a however, a game needs balance, every faction needs to have the same capabilities up to a point...( a perfect example that comes to mind is the Race balancing in another Sci-fi MMO where each race specalizes in its own types of weaponry like lasers,projectiles,railguns,drones,missiles) but the strengths of those weapons can be varied, i think Cryptic needs to step back and think... this is what the feds are like and what they should be good at based on how technology evolved in the federation, this is what the KDF is like (and any extra factions added later) and design the vessels accordingly
for example it is a well known fact that Klingon armor/hull is far superior, but in equal balance federation shield generators are more developed
i would 'like' to state that the klingons should have superior carrier technology as a balancing mechanism to the federation... but honestly do we know how long the klingons have been working with this technology... because we humans have been doing it for what... 506 years(i think thats right... 1903->2409)
On a side note... usually when a technology is invented is eventually wanders outside of the hands its to be used by... so perhaps look at it as the intelligence divisions of each faction are actually doing their jobs and not just sitting around with their coffee/raktajino n donuts/Gagh.... i mean dont the KDF have phonics & andriod DO/BOs... that would mean they got their paws on the specs for the mobile emitter and a good scan of lore, data 1 or data 2(b4) anyway.. hope i dont make anyone mad lol n have fun in this awesome game ^^;
It is a fairly interesting argument. As an owner of all the carriers on both sides I can say that while yes the Kar'fi has some very nice and heavy hitting frigates, and the BOPs I thought at the time were kinda BS, you need to see the balance.
KDF has the powerful and wide variety of heavily armed deployables, but the Kar'fi it self often gets singled out in PvP strictly because it is fairly light-weight and lacks mechanics to seriously tank or survive.
Now lets compare the Atrox. Ok. Firstly, you all need to stop the hate on the ship, its beautiful and very versatile and powerful. So it doesn't look like the Enterprise. THAT'S A GOOD THING. Enough of you fan boys running around with ship names like the Defant, Enterprize, Enterprizze, Enterprice (yea for real hang out at DS9 you'll see 4-5 an hour). I mean I applaud the Devs for bringing back the Caitians and Ferasians, They were probably some of the best characters of the era they were introduced (Introduced in Star Trek : The animated series, as well as a cameo appearance in Star trek IV, an admiral was a Caitian). But appearance aside, and hopefully your fantasy racism aside. This behemoth can tank as well as serve a huge sci support role. And with Choices like stalkers that wipe out shields and power levels, Runabouts that tractor and CC heavily (Seriously go take a barrage from these things), Delta flyers that not only help to drain shields but use transphasics that no matter what send 40%+ damage through the shields. I mean honestly, I love the ship. And compared to the Kar'fi, its more versatile and powerful with all things being considered.
I sincerly hope actually they bring out more Caitian and Ferasian ships, not to mention more carriers for fed...sorry KDF, you do have enough. But end of the day people really need to see the trade offs. Fed Atrox has a larger support role and can do wonderfully in any situation, The escort carrier, oh come now, this is OP, I love mine, a powerful T5 escort with 6 Danube's or Deltas? How can you not top out DPS?
Kar'fi, great frigates, interesting ability, overall a mean glare and it explodes. The Vo'qou, tough and rugged space Winnebago that's only real claim to fame is the 4 BoPs. Other than that slow, cumbersome, and again not exactly Fort Knox.
So it is balanced in my opinion. Now will you find masters to be the exceptions? Of course, but pound for pound Feds have it.
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Of course, it's not possible to do that.
Also, klingons have complained about stuff before, in the movies. Remember the klingons complaining about Kirk? A lot of crying about his actions.
Also, KLINGONS ARE FICTIONAL CHARACTERS.
True. But they'd still not cry. Unless under the influence of a virus that has long been made extinct.
Don't know what ironic means do you?
It's pretty logical that the side that's abused and forgotten complains the most.
I find it humorous that Feds have been bawling for months about carriers and now that they have them, they want to flip the script and call Klingons whiny.
the saber class starship, very small, about BoP sized i think...
put a torp and a dual phaser beam in the front, and a turret in the back, and give it beam overload...
it's not a Bop, nor would the damage from it be quite as high, but i would personally love to be able to send one of them out...
Makes sense all the way around. Few minor tweaks from the layout of the npc one for a carrier version would work nicely, give it weapons in line with the frigate but change it to have more shields and less hull then the kdf version so that its different but still balanced.
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This!
Just this!
It's there, just waiting for you to play, its irritating seeing people asking for the Fed version of KDF stuff, if you want then actually play as the KDF.
Other things I've seen people wanting to CARVE OFF the kdf this time include unique consoles, playable species.., battle cloaks..
Its just annoying! Yet the sad thing is we'll probably see things like this being implemented. i mean look back at what else the Fed players have carved off the kdf.
You dont see use screaming for multi vector Neg'vars, we dont scream for consoles that blind/confuse anyone near you.
(sorry if that seems rant-ish, but it kinda is, i play both fed/kdf, i like kdf, its DIFFERENT to fed, keep differences or do away with this silly concept of the factions being at war
Federation players, they want everything it seems
When was the last KDF content? e.g. ... ships.... species... stories... yeah
So according to the Fed side, they should get everything the KDF has, but the KDF shouldn't get anything new, or have any sort of even footing as the Fed side.
Yes, because those kinds of threads or sentiment are never expressed in the KDF sub-forums.
Indeed. The Federation should stop asking for stuff the KDF has. Bad enough that the Federation now has carriers, too. The greed of the Federation is becoming disgusting.
If someone want to play with KDF stuff he should roll a KDF toon. That's what the free KDF Char slot is for.
Also the greedy Feds is against cannon because the Feds aren't supposed to be greedy that's why they are a socialist society in the series(one reason why I play KDF)
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I miss the raw damage the Kar'Fi does on my Atrox. The Kar'Fi with a markXII HG set, it's own high-yield TB torpedos, dispersal pattern beta TB mines, and the frigate? It's is just one long bloodly (mine and theirs) and pretty fireworks show of red and blue. It's also tissue paper compared to my Atrox.
I miss much of the utility my Atrox and it's stalker's have on my Kar'Fi. Being able to appear out of no where with the stalkers and mask energy sig is always fun. Being able to shield drain and zero aux power settings is also fun. The Atrox is a good tank and has a number of utilties the Kar'Fi does not.
Honestly? Some tweeks would be nice, I'm not going to cry if I get a frigate/BoP equivlent on my Atrox. The Atrox seems to be missing some love. Mostly though I think it's just a issue of the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence and not being happy with what you have.
however... and there is allways a however, a game needs balance, every faction needs to have the same capabilities up to a point...( a perfect example that comes to mind is the Race balancing in another Sci-fi MMO where each race specalizes in its own types of weaponry like lasers,projectiles,railguns,drones,missiles) but the strengths of those weapons can be varied, i think Cryptic needs to step back and think... this is what the feds are like and what they should be good at based on how technology evolved in the federation, this is what the KDF is like (and any extra factions added later) and design the vessels accordingly
for example it is a well known fact that Klingon armor/hull is far superior, but in equal balance federation shield generators are more developed
i would 'like' to state that the klingons should have superior carrier technology as a balancing mechanism to the federation... but honestly do we know how long the klingons have been working with this technology... because we humans have been doing it for what... 506 years(i think thats right... 1903->2409)
On a side note... usually when a technology is invented is eventually wanders outside of the hands its to be used by... so perhaps look at it as the intelligence divisions of each faction are actually doing their jobs and not just sitting around with their coffee/raktajino n donuts/Gagh.... i mean dont the KDF have phonics & andriod DO/BOs... that would mean they got their paws on the specs for the mobile emitter and a good scan of lore, data 1 or data 2(b4) anyway.. hope i dont make anyone mad lol n have fun in this awesome game ^^;
KDF has the powerful and wide variety of heavily armed deployables, but the Kar'fi it self often gets singled out in PvP strictly because it is fairly light-weight and lacks mechanics to seriously tank or survive.
Now lets compare the Atrox. Ok. Firstly, you all need to stop the hate on the ship, its beautiful and very versatile and powerful. So it doesn't look like the Enterprise. THAT'S A GOOD THING. Enough of you fan boys running around with ship names like the Defant, Enterprize, Enterprizze, Enterprice (yea for real hang out at DS9 you'll see 4-5 an hour). I mean I applaud the Devs for bringing back the Caitians and Ferasians, They were probably some of the best characters of the era they were introduced (Introduced in Star Trek : The animated series, as well as a cameo appearance in Star trek IV, an admiral was a Caitian). But appearance aside, and hopefully your fantasy racism aside. This behemoth can tank as well as serve a huge sci support role. And with Choices like stalkers that wipe out shields and power levels, Runabouts that tractor and CC heavily (Seriously go take a barrage from these things), Delta flyers that not only help to drain shields but use transphasics that no matter what send 40%+ damage through the shields. I mean honestly, I love the ship. And compared to the Kar'fi, its more versatile and powerful with all things being considered.
I sincerly hope actually they bring out more Caitian and Ferasian ships, not to mention more carriers for fed...sorry KDF, you do have enough. But end of the day people really need to see the trade offs. Fed Atrox has a larger support role and can do wonderfully in any situation, The escort carrier, oh come now, this is OP, I love mine, a powerful T5 escort with 6 Danube's or Deltas? How can you not top out DPS?
Kar'fi, great frigates, interesting ability, overall a mean glare and it explodes. The Vo'qou, tough and rugged space Winnebago that's only real claim to fame is the 4 BoPs. Other than that slow, cumbersome, and again not exactly Fort Knox.
So it is balanced in my opinion. Now will you find masters to be the exceptions? Of course, but pound for pound Feds have it.