If one wished to move the special console to another vessel under the current console mechanics, would it not have to be a T4 vessel/console?
Unless of course they make it useable on all battle Cruisers, which would work too.
If there's one thing that's rue fro this game then that change is constant.
They're surprising us with their ideas, so let's surprise them with an idea of our own.:)
And also we've seen a modern effects D7 in the DS9 Tribble episode and they didn't just reuse a K't'inga, instead they carefull reconstructed...the D7 from TOS.
Not quite.
The model with the dishes (no pun intended) was the Saratoga
while the one with the big sensor arrays (I still don't get why people think those are some kind of Star Wars Turbo Lazzer Gunz, probably read that on DITL in the no-canon section) was the Soyuz, that also had a TOS Connie style bridge module and an extended rear hull.
I didn't mean the USS Saratoga, I meant the USS Bozeman that comes out of a temporal rift and crashes into the Enteprise like Deanna's driving it or something in "Cause and Effect". It's explicitly stated as being Soyuz class, and that the class is retired. And is the bottom pic.
I didn't mean the USS Saratoga, I meant the USS Bozeman that comes out of a temporal rift and crashes into the Enteprise like Deanna's driving it or something in "Cause and Effect". It's explicitly stated as being Soyuz class, and that the class is retired. And is the bottom pic.
I don't care what it looks like or what it is called in order to sell it for T5. As long I can take it to the Ship Tailor and choose a polished K't'inga ship costume for my BG to fly it around. It's her House's flagship. I also wouldn't object to the Projected Stasis Field the Klingons had in TAS. :cool:
I don't care what it looks like or what it is called in order to sell it for T5. As long I can take it to the Ship Tailor and choose a polished K't'inga ship costume for my BG to fly it around. It's her House's flagship. I also wouldn't object to the Projected Stasis Field the Klingons had in TAS. :cool:
Have we ever heard the K't'inga being referred to by name in any of the series or films? If not, for all we know, the D7 and K't'inga *are* the same ship (the EU and other supplementary materials are considered "soft cannon" at best - meaning they are subject to change at a writer's whim). The only real difference between the two is extra detailing on the K't'inga.
Well one recent novel treats them as the same class.
The K't'inga-class heavy cruiser entered the vernacular through the mass-market novelization of Star Trek The Motion Picture by Gene Roddenberry. As well as the official blueprint set issued through Pocket Books in 1979 to promote the films premiere. Blueprints which were approved and carry Roddenberry's signature. I own first editions of both and, of course, am more than happy to accept those resources. Other player's have the choice to - an likely will - reject the information.
The cruiser's were never named by class in the TMP itself. Though the Klingon Captain in that film identified his own command as Klingon Cruiser Amar. Identifying the ship during its first appearance in TNG was handled in exactly the same way. No ship class. Just the individual name, T'Ong. However, it's well established that footage of the TMP model was actually from TMP. So the starship is one and same type. Coincidentally, every television appearance through Voyager never identified any Klingon starships as K't'inga at all.
The TOS Klingon cruiser seen in DS9's Trials and Tribble-ations at K-7 was actually named D7 in the story. That is the first time it was said on film/video.
IMO, K't'inga cruisers exist. And they exist as a separate class of starship from the D-7.
Regarding STO, I was disappointed that the TOS D-7 wasn't offered as Tier 1 to parallel the TOS Constitution. With the K't'inga at Tier 2. Luckily for us, both are Tier 3 and missed the the axe of content below Tier 3. Else it would in limbo with the T1 B'rel.
Admittedly my memory of it was hazy, I thought the pointy bit was the center of a TOS style dish. It appears more something for erm.... stabbing.... space?
Will we ever see the t5 k'tinga in our lineup it has been far too long this ship is a legand and should be in the t5 line up
no, just like the fed t5 connie wish... no wolf in sheep's clothing.
lets keep the current ships in the sets that they are. it is not broke, so lets no fix it team. No difference there between us wishing that and the fed side wanting the connie in the same position. THey didnt get it, so I do not see, nor would I agree with that ship being a T5 either.
I be happy just to see the other refits that we were promised already for F2P...
no, just like the fed t5 connie wish... no wolf in sheep's clothing.
lets keep the current ships in the sets that they are. it is not broke, so lets no fix it team. No difference there between us wishing that and the fed side wanting the connie in the same position. THey didnt get it, so I do not see, nor would I agree with that ship being a T5 either.
I be happy just to see the other refits that we were promised already for F2P...
Second, wolf in sheep's clothing just isn't a factor. If we're at tier 5 and we see an Excelsior or Nebula, we generally expect a tier 5 one as far as I know, personally I'd be shocked to encounter the tier 3 one. The same is true of the B'rel.
Third, there is a fundamental difference between tier 5 K't'inga and tier 5 connie, the K't'inga wasn't retired like the Connie was and we saw it opperating as late as the Dominion war. It's contemporary with the Excelsior and B'rel, and both of those have tier 5 versions. I don't think "but they can't have a tier 5 connie" is a good way to go about things at all, becasue where do you draw the line? Axe MVAM and carriers too because they're not both factions?
To summarize, there's clear justification for a tier 5 K't'inga, we were told we'd get one, and the only real issue would be how to implement it. Raptor weapon/console scheme, hull/shields and manouverability, Excelsior bof loadout perhaps. I think that'd cover it pretty well.
Second, wolf in sheep's clothing just isn't a factor. If we're at tier 5 and we see an Excelsior or Nebula, we generally expect a tier 5 one as far as I know, personally I'd be shocked to encounter the tier 3 one. The same is true of the B'rel.
Third, there is a fundamental difference between tier 5 K't'inga and tier 5 connie, the K't'inga wasn't retired like the Connie was and we saw it opperating as late as the Dominion war. It's contemporary with the Excelsior and B'rel, and both of those have tier 5 versions. I don't think "but they can't have a tier 5 connie" is a good way to go about things at all, becasue where do you draw the line? Axe MVAM and carriers too because they're not both factions?
To summarize, there's clear justification for a tier 5 K't'inga, we were told we'd get one, and the only real issue would be how to implement it. Raptor weapon/console scheme, hull/shields and manouverability, Excelsior bof loadout perhaps. I think that'd cover it pretty well.
Hey that is cool you disagree.
And Yes, wolf in sheep clothing is relivant. Like that or not it is the reason the past few refits were shot down.
We are Klingons, we been "told" a lot of things, not many delievered on, simple due to a personpower issue. Poor reason to be sure, but, hey there it is.
And eb, dont confuse TV with InGame. Just because I show you a studabaker care that can be driven around today, does not mean it will ever match the newest Corvette its parked next too. Comparing oranges and apples there.
The other ships you mention are already in game at their respective levels. Cryptic has done a "decent" job filling in some gaps, terrible at some others, spectacular on still others. No diff then any other company. The person who made that promise did not state it as a promise, they stated it as what they would like to "see". There is a controller and CBS too, and just as other ships of this kind have been shot down, T3 and under, I just do not see them going for a T5 K refit as with the Vorcha moved from t4 to t5 refit and probably one the best overall cruisers of the game.
Still I would rather see them expend that energy to other things already promised that I mentioned, then I would for them to do a entire ship refit/balance. Still, just to be honest Eb, they seem to be on this "refit" kick, they may just make a T5 K. Which, if they do, i agree it should have the Excel BO layout.
Hey that is cool you disagree.
And Yes, wolf in sheep clothing is relivant. Like that or not it is the reason the past few refits were shot down.
We are Klingons, we been "told" a lot of things, not many delievered on, simple due to a personpower issue. Poor reason to be sure, but, hey there it is.
And eb, dont confuse TV with InGame. Just because I show you a studabaker care that can be driven around today, does not mean it will ever match the newest Corvette its parked next too. Comparing oranges and apples there.
The other ships you mention are already in game at their respective levels. Cryptic has done a "decent" job filling in some gaps, terrible at some others, spectacular on still others. No diff then any other company. The person who made that promise did not state it as a promise, they stated it as what they would like to "see". There is a controller and CBS too, and just as other ships of this kind have been shot down, T3 and under, I just do not see them going for a T5 K refit as with the Vorcha moved from t4 to t5 refit and probably one the best overall cruisers of the game.
Still I would rather see them expend that energy to other things already promised that I mentioned, then I would for them to do a entire ship refit/balance. Still, just to be honest Eb, they seem to be on this "refit" kick, they may just make a T5 K. Which, if they do, i agree it should have the Excel BO layout.
Still, I do not see them going for it.
But I waaant iiiiiiiiiitttttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!1!!!shiftone!!!1!!!:mad:
In all seriousness I see your point with the Studebacer though (and the others), although I could counter with a few episodes of Overhaulin' where they stuffed new cars under old body shells. Just because a car looks old doesn't mean it won't shame a 'stang or a 'vette on the quater mile. When I'm done patching I'm going to take my K't'inga out for a spin anyhow. It'll be intresting to see how it looks in the KHG scheme.
The "wolf in sheep's clothing" argument holds no water with me, the argument became null and void when they introduced D'kyr which is around a hundred years older than the original TOS D7. They also added the Koro't'inga which is a D4 ship also about a hundred years older than the D-7... which to me was an odd thing but whatever. The point being it just shows the arbitrary decision making behind what ships get put in.
The K't'inga replaced the venerable D-7 in the 2270's and a quote from Memory Alpha shows they are still relevant to this day "...many of the K't'inga-class battle cruisers had been retrofitted to keep up with the advances of technology. " Link
The resources would be minimal since a player model is already in game it just needs to be polished up to give it many of the missing details and correct modeling mistakes.
Personally, I feel they could make it an alternative skin for the T5 Vor'Cha Retrofit and I'd be happy with it. It's not about taking anything away from anyone else or forcing anyone to use it, it's just adding the option for those of us who do want to have the most iconic Klingon ship to be relevant and useable at end game. This has all been hashed out a million times since game launch if you search the forum history for the KDF. If you don't like it don't use it, simple, everyone wins, we just want the option.
I so look forward to an improved sensor UI method for this game. A mini-game each and every time - welcome to Star Trek. So player's can't fall upon mere appearance of an NPC or player starship to know the enemy.
Thanks, I'll have to peek inside it when I get a chance.
The Mem Beta entry is of course not very informative with regards to the ships.
It does however list the D7 and the Gorkon as a seperate K't'inga class ships and mentions the K-type gunboat as an ovsolete design still in service.
This can of course mean just about anything so like I said gotta have a peek.
I'd like to however mention that the novel "Serpents among the Ruins" mentions that by the time of the beige ST1 movie era the Romulans had already begun to upgrade their D7s so I'd find it odd if the Romulans had started to do that by that era while the Klingons had supposedly done nothing of that kind.
But I waaant iiiiiiiiiitttttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!1!!!shiftone!!!1!!!:mad:
In all seriousness I see your point with the Studebacer though (and the others), although I could counter with a few episodes of Overhaulin' where they stuffed new cars under old body shells. Just because a car looks old doesn't mean it won't shame a 'stang or a 'vette on the quater mile. When I'm done patching I'm going to take my K't'inga out for a spin anyhow. It'll be intresting to see how it looks in the KHG scheme.
ROFL neighbor!!! (the i want comment)
you know... have you tried using the "K" and doing STF? i mean if you think about it, palce the proper weapons on it and it should do decently.
It would be a great hting to see to be sure and Hey, I'd buy it.
you know... have you tried using the "K" and doing STF? i mean if you think about it, palce the proper weapons on it and it should do decently.
It would be a great hting to see to be sure and Hey, I'd buy it.
Question is now that they're working on a T5 Akira (another T3 retro), T5 Merian and Vesta whether they'll even bother with any T5 Klingon ships for the year 2012.
you know... have you tried using the "K" and doing STF? i mean if you think about it, palce the proper weapons on it and it should do decently.
It would be a great hting to see to be sure and Hey, I'd buy it.
No, that'd have felt too much like trolling my team mates:D, but I did pop my end game gear on it, Honour guard set, Mk XI consoles, Mk XI pas/dis DHC and tric up front, turrets out back, and it was more than adequate for PVE, and it even stood a fighting chance in Ker'rat if I got the jump on somebody. It was just enough brute force to find a way through a shield facing and plant a 'splosion on somebody with the tric.
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If there's one thing that's rue fro this game then that change is constant.
They're surprising us with their ideas, so let's surprise them with an idea of our own.:)
I didn't mean the USS Saratoga, I meant the USS Bozeman that comes out of a temporal rift and crashes into the Enteprise like Deanna's driving it or something in "Cause and Effect". It's explicitly stated as being Soyuz class, and that the class is retired. And is the bottom pic.
b...bu...but...but the Bozeman has no dish
EDIT for link.
^ THIS! ^
I'm ready... sign me up for one!
Well one recent novel treats them as the same class.
The cruiser's were never named by class in the TMP itself. Though the Klingon Captain in that film identified his own command as Klingon Cruiser Amar. Identifying the ship during its first appearance in TNG was handled in exactly the same way. No ship class. Just the individual name, T'Ong. However, it's well established that footage of the TMP model was actually from TMP. So the starship is one and same type. Coincidentally, every television appearance through Voyager never identified any Klingon starships as K't'inga at all.
The TOS Klingon cruiser seen in DS9's Trials and Tribble-ations at K-7 was actually named D7 in the story. That is the first time it was said on film/video.
IMO, K't'inga cruisers exist. And they exist as a separate class of starship from the D-7.
Regarding STO, I was disappointed that the TOS D-7 wasn't offered as Tier 1 to parallel the TOS Constitution. With the K't'inga at Tier 2. Luckily for us, both are Tier 3 and missed the the axe of content below Tier 3. Else it would in limbo with the T1 B'rel.
Honest question:
which one?
Admittedly my memory of it was hazy, I thought the pointy bit was the center of a TOS style dish. It appears more something for erm.... stabbing.... space?
no, just like the fed t5 connie wish... no wolf in sheep's clothing.
lets keep the current ships in the sets that they are. it is not broke, so lets no fix it team. No difference there between us wishing that and the fed side wanting the connie in the same position. THey didnt get it, so I do not see, nor would I agree with that ship being a T5 either.
I be happy just to see the other refits that we were promised already for F2P...
Hegta refit...
Negh refit...
I've got to humbly disagree here, first, as in this link http://www.startrekonline.com/node/1966 we were told we'd get it.
Second, wolf in sheep's clothing just isn't a factor. If we're at tier 5 and we see an Excelsior or Nebula, we generally expect a tier 5 one as far as I know, personally I'd be shocked to encounter the tier 3 one. The same is true of the B'rel.
Third, there is a fundamental difference between tier 5 K't'inga and tier 5 connie, the K't'inga wasn't retired like the Connie was and we saw it opperating as late as the Dominion war. It's contemporary with the Excelsior and B'rel, and both of those have tier 5 versions. I don't think "but they can't have a tier 5 connie" is a good way to go about things at all, becasue where do you draw the line? Axe MVAM and carriers too because they're not both factions?
To summarize, there's clear justification for a tier 5 K't'inga, we were told we'd get one, and the only real issue would be how to implement it. Raptor weapon/console scheme, hull/shields and manouverability, Excelsior bof loadout perhaps. I think that'd cover it pretty well.
Hey that is cool you disagree.
And Yes, wolf in sheep clothing is relivant. Like that or not it is the reason the past few refits were shot down.
We are Klingons, we been "told" a lot of things, not many delievered on, simple due to a personpower issue. Poor reason to be sure, but, hey there it is.
And eb, dont confuse TV with InGame. Just because I show you a studabaker care that can be driven around today, does not mean it will ever match the newest Corvette its parked next too. Comparing oranges and apples there.
The other ships you mention are already in game at their respective levels. Cryptic has done a "decent" job filling in some gaps, terrible at some others, spectacular on still others. No diff then any other company. The person who made that promise did not state it as a promise, they stated it as what they would like to "see". There is a controller and CBS too, and just as other ships of this kind have been shot down, T3 and under, I just do not see them going for a T5 K refit as with the Vorcha moved from t4 to t5 refit and probably one the best overall cruisers of the game.
Still I would rather see them expend that energy to other things already promised that I mentioned, then I would for them to do a entire ship refit/balance. Still, just to be honest Eb, they seem to be on this "refit" kick, they may just make a T5 K. Which, if they do, i agree it should have the Excel BO layout.
Still, I do not see them going for it.
But I waaant iiiiiiiiiitttttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!1!!!shiftone!!!1!!!:mad:
In all seriousness I see your point with the Studebacer though (and the others), although I could counter with a few episodes of Overhaulin' where they stuffed new cars under old body shells. Just because a car looks old doesn't mean it won't shame a 'stang or a 'vette on the quater mile.
The K't'inga replaced the venerable D-7 in the 2270's and a quote from Memory Alpha shows they are still relevant to this day "...many of the K't'inga-class battle cruisers had been retrofitted to keep up with the advances of technology. " Link
The resources would be minimal since a player model is already in game it just needs to be polished up to give it many of the missing details and correct modeling mistakes.
Personally, I feel they could make it an alternative skin for the T5 Vor'Cha Retrofit and I'd be happy with it. It's not about taking anything away from anyone else or forcing anyone to use it, it's just adding the option for those of us who do want to have the most iconic Klingon ship to be relevant and useable at end game. This has all been hashed out a million times since game launch if you search the forum history for the KDF. If you don't like it don't use it, simple, everyone wins, we just want the option.
Cast no Shadow.
Its a new one.
Thanks, I'll have to peek inside it when I get a chance.
The Mem Beta entry is of course not very informative with regards to the ships.
It does however list the D7 and the Gorkon as a seperate K't'inga class ships and mentions the K-type gunboat as an ovsolete design still in service.
This can of course mean just about anything so like I said gotta have a peek.
I'd like to however mention that the novel "Serpents among the Ruins" mentions that by the time of the beige ST1 movie era the Romulans had already begun to upgrade their D7s so I'd find it odd if the Romulans had started to do that by that era while the Klingons had supposedly done nothing of that kind.
ROFL neighbor!!! (the i want comment)
you know... have you tried using the "K" and doing STF? i mean if you think about it, palce the proper weapons on it and it should do decently.
It would be a great hting to see to be sure and Hey, I'd buy it.
LOL Dee! well plenty of wolves for sure!
Question is now that they're working on a T5 Akira (another T3 retro), T5 Merian and Vesta whether they'll even bother with any T5 Klingon ships for the year 2012.
No, that'd have felt too much like trolling my team mates:D, but I did pop my end game gear on it, Honour guard set, Mk XI consoles, Mk XI pas/dis DHC and tric up front, turrets out back, and it was more than adequate for PVE, and it even stood a fighting chance in Ker'rat if I got the jump on somebody. It was just enough brute force to find a way through a shield facing and plant a 'splosion on somebody with the tric.