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Teir 5 k'tinga

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edited February 2012 in Klingon Discussion
Will we ever see the t5 k'tinga in our lineup it has been far too long this ship is a legand and should be in the t5 line up
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    I don't know about Tier5... I mean, it would be nice/cool/AWESOME, no doubt, but the history behind the ship is that it was an earlier vessel. I think you would see more Bortas and Vorcha than you would K'Tinga. Sad, but there ya have it.

    I recall there were more variants/versions for SFC than we have here. I don't know how many are canon or what can be added, but I know some have already been seen so there is precedent.

    Possible enhancements that bridge the gap between the D-7/K'tinga and the Vor'Cha:

    D-9 battle cruiser
    D-20 battle cruiser
    L-6 Frigate

    There's a webpage here:
    http://home.comcast.net/~ststcsolda/

    The quick and dirty diagrams for Klingon ships on that page is here:
    http://home.comcast.net/~ststcsolda/klingons/klingons.html

    Now, I admit some of those look like pure speculation and fan creations... But the D-9, D-20, L-6 all share the same spirit as the D-7/K'tinga and if we could get some more ships in between.

    Heck, I'd rather have more tiers for STO, personally! More variations, more combinations, etc.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    rodentmaster wrote:
    I don't know about Tier5... I mean, it would be nice/cool/AWESOME, no doubt, but the history behind the ship is that it was an earlier vessel. I think you would see more Bortas and Vorcha than you would K'Tinga. Sad, but there ya have it.

    I recall there were more variants/versions for SFC than we have here. I don't know how many are canon or what can be added, but I know some have already been seen so there is precedent.

    Possible enhancements that bridge the gap between the D-7/K'tinga and the Vor'Cha:

    D-9 battle cruiser
    D-20 battle cruiser
    L-6 Frigate

    There's a webpage here:
    http://home.comcast.net/~ststcsolda/

    The quick and dirty diagrams for Klingon ships on that page is here:
    http://home.comcast.net/~ststcsolda/klingons/klingons.html

    Now, I admit some of those look like pure speculation and fan creations... But the D-9, D-20, L-6 all share the same spirit as the D-7/K'tinga and if we could get some more ships in between.

    Heck, I'd rather have more tiers for STO, personally! More variations, more combinations, etc.

    Sorry, but Cryptic can't use any of those...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    mister_dee wrote:
    Sorry, but Cryptic can't use any of those...

    Why not? They are making up new ships. They had "design the next ship" contests here on the forum. Granted it was from before I got here... They don't have to use those exact ideas, but you can still take the same idea of modifying a D-7 and improving it, varrying the looks, etc.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    rodentmaster wrote:
    Why not? They are making up new ships. They had "design the next ship" contests here on the forum. Granted it was from before I got here... They don't have to use those exact ideas, but you can still take the same idea of modifying a D-7 and improving it, varrying the looks, etc.

    *SIGH* I'm getting tired of having the same discussion the 30th time.
    They have said they won't do any of those contests any more thanks to the way the people behaved the last time around.
    And they have explicitly said they can't use material from fans and they have also explicitly said they can't use material from other game companies.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    for some reason cpt logan doesn't feel the kdf need more t5 ships.
    he said so twice in his interview lately.
    odd because the feds have alot more t5 ships than the kdf. They seem to need more than we do. i don't get it.

    so there will be no more ships coming for a while. Just fixes to old ones.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Staran wrote: »
    for some reason cpt logan doesn't feel the kdf need more t5 ships.
    he said so twice in his interview lately.
    odd because the feds have alot more t5 ships than the kdf. They seem to need more than we do. i don't get it.

    so there will be no more ships coming for a while. Just fixes to old ones.

    They should just close this subforum. Most lvl to t5 in a blink of an eye since you start at lvl 21.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    certo wrote: »
    Will we ever see the t5 k'tinga in our lineup it has been far too long this ship is a legand and should be in the t5 line up

    The KDF was promised a T5 K't'inga Retrofit back when they were doing the Vor'Cha and B'rel Retrofits, but it never appeared and any discussion of it in the forums was met with resounding silence from the devs despite being brought up time and again since . Link to the original announcement here - http://www.startrekonline.com/node/1966

    The only thing we saw was the release of the ancient D4 design they labeled as the Koro'tinga built as a T3 ship. :( Considering that the devs openly admitted back then that they didn't even know the difference between a D7 and a K'tinga, I'm not really shocked.

    I'd love to get a T5 K'tinga in game, I and others have said over and over we'd be willing to drop significant amounts of real cash to get a good flexible design released ....but I've given up hopes of that. If it ever appears I'll celebrate! :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    the ktinga should have been the kdf's tier 1 ship, with same stats as the miranda. if a newer design that's intended to look like a ship designer after the ktinga, but before the vorcha, kind of like a kdf ambassador class, was the tier 3 cruiser from the start the kdf would have a tier 5 refit of it by now with excelsior stats.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    A T5 "K't'inga" doesn't need to be a K't'inga retrofit per se - remember the K't'inga is a late-23rd century ship whose hull is nearly identical to the earlier D-4 and D-7 classes. Clearly the Klingons have some emotional attachment to that design...

    Call it a Koro't'inga retrofit perhaps, but it's not inherently any more odd than the Defiant or Intrepid retrofits on the Fed side.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    the K'T'inga is ancient, its a wonder they havent added the D7s or D5s yet!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    why not take the existing design as is and enlarge it by about 2/3rds? the hull will then be able to incorporate a larger matter/antimatter intermix reactor and IMpulse drive, as well as more powerful disruptor cannons and shields
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Probably not likely, for the same reason why we will never see a T5 Constitution - CBS won't let Cryptic do it (partly because of the K't'inga/D7's age).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    It's a tricky subject. Because we have a tier 5 Excelsior, and the K'tinga's not more than a few years older at the most, and there was an implied parity between the two classes on several occasions. But all in all, I'd be for an enlarged slightly modernized version, with Excelsior BO layout, with hull strength and turn rate somewhere between Raptor and Vor'cha perhaps.

    But having *the* K'tigna at tier 5 I don't think'd work. I'm pretty sure both the Hegh'ta and Qin are bigger. Having a cruiser smaller than both the bird of prey and escort available at tier 5 would be madness. What could work, is if it was an escort. Same loadout as the MVAM or the AE (preferable so's not to tread on bop toes) for example. This'd solve the disparity in size handily, and it'd be in line with the existing prescedent of old desins still being tier 5 material. And in all honesty, they did seem pretty Escorty in many appearances in the 24th Century, much more agile than the lumbering Qo'nos One in Undiscovered Country (although they had just been donkey punched with a photon or two....).

    Oddly, I've been enjoying the K'tinga a lot with my new toon, I spent this morning tearing through Fed players like it weren't no thing.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Archanubis wrote:
    Probably not likely, for the same reason why we will never see a T5 Constitution - CBS won't let Cryptic do it (partly because of the K't'inga/D7's age).

    I seriously doubt they would have announced it in August 2010 when they couldn't do it.
    And let's not forget the D7 and K't'inga are actually two different ships, but the big joke is we know Cryptic doesn't know that.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    mister_dee wrote:
    I seriously doubt they would have announced it in August 2010 when they couldn't do it.
    And let's not forget the D7 and K't'inga are actually two different ships, but the big joke is we know Cryptic doesn't know that.

    Indeed, my K'tinga is using the D7 model so I could enjoy the blood red on grey hull Sagitarius paintwork without all those plates hiding it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Krenn wrote: »
    why not take the existing design as is and enlarge it by about 2/3rds? the hull will then be able to incorporate a larger matter/antimatter intermix reactor and IMpulse drive, as well as more powerful disruptor cannons and shields

    Tech gets smaller over the years not bigger.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Hartzilla2007 wrote: »
    Tech gets smaller over the years not bigger.

    I always wondered why each successive Enteprise was.... larger? Wait, what? :p
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Not unlike the Excelsior and Miranda class the K't'inga was extremely versatile, and survived almost a century of use.

    I would love to see a K't'inga class crusier @ T5 but I doubt it will happen.

    Imagine pvp battles with retrofit or upgraded models of excelsior and k't'inga class going at it, would be classic.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    mister_dee wrote:
    I seriously doubt they would have announced it in August 2010 when they couldn't do it.
    And let's not forget the D7 and K't'inga are actually two different ships, but the big joke is we know Cryptic doesn't know that.

    Have we ever heard the K't'inga being referred to by name in any of the series or films? If not, for all we know, the D7 and K't'inga *are* the same ship (the EU and other supplementary materials are considered "soft cannon" at best - meaning they are subject to change at a writer's whim). The only real difference between the two is extra detailing on the K't'inga.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Archanubis wrote:
    Have we ever heard the K't'inga being referred to by name in any of the series or films? If not, for all we know, the D7 and K't'inga *are* the same ship (the EU and other supplementary materials are considered "soft cannon" at best - meaning they are subject to change at a writer's whim). The only real difference between the two is extra detailing on the K't'inga.

    Have you ever heard of the Cheyenne class in any of the series?
    No?
    But it's still in the game.

    There's also the detail that Mike Sussman explicitly said that f he had known the SFX guys of Voyager would use the K't'inga model he'd have replaced D7 with K't'inga.

    And I honestly hope you're joking that the only difference between the D7 and the K't'inga is "extra detail" because the shapes of the two ships are actually not the same.:confused:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    mister_dee wrote:
    Have you ever heard of the Cheyenne class in any of the series?
    No?
    But it's still in the game.

    There's also the detail that Mike Sussman explicitly said that f he had known the SFX guys of Voyager would use the K't'inga model he'd have replaced D7 with K't'inga.

    And I honestly hope you're joking that the only difference between the D7 and the K't'inga is "extra detail" because the shapes of the two ships are actually not the same.:confused:

    Indeed, if you swap between K'tinga and D7 hulls there are differences, not large ones, but as significant as the difference between TOS Connie and Film Connie for example. And let's not forget all the Miranda variants we've seen, but one crazy dish mounting on top instead of the roll bar and it's a Soyuz for some reason.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Ebeneezergoode wrote:
    Indeed, if you swap between K'tinga and D7 hulls there are differences, not large ones, but as significant as the difference between TOS Connie and Film Connie for example.

    And also we've seen a modern effects D7 in the DS9 Tribble episode and they didn't just reuse a K't'inga, instead they carefull reconstructed...the D7 from TOS.
    Ebeneezergoode wrote:
    And let's not forget all the Miranda variants we've seen, but one crazy dish mounting on top instead of the roll bar and it's a Soyuz for some reason.

    Not quite.
    The model with the dishes (no pun intended) was the Saratoga

    http://www.starshipdatalink.net/starships/miranda.html

    http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080912213251/memoryalpha/en/images/b/b6/Uss_saratoga_2367_fore.jpg

    while the one with the big sensor arrays (I still don't get why people think those are some kind of Star Wars Turbo Lazzer Gunz, probably read that on DITL in the no-canon section) was the Soyuz, that also had a TOS Connie style bridge module and an extended rear hull.

    http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080911000211/memoryalpha/en/images/5/57/USS_Bozeman%2C_aft.jpg
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    I'm all for it, as long as its a warship designed to be a warship and not nerfed at the last minute because the feds feel its too strong.........
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Roach wrote: »
    I'm all for it, as long as its a warship designed to be a warship and not nerfed at the last minute because the feds feel its too strong.........
    I say that the retrofit of K'tinga come with a weapon console that give a similar weapon attack as the Galaxy-X dreadnought's spinal phaser lance. In DS9 battle scenes you often see the K'tinga firing a disruptor beam from where its torpedo port should be. This is also usable on battle cruisers. So you can also use it on Vor'cha that also have a 'large drisruptor' at its bow. Same for Negh'Var (though its most powerful disruptor *duo* are underside for the flagship in the DS9, some versions of the ship has a weapon port at the bow?)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Halstead wrote:
    I say that the retrofit of K'tinga come with a weapon console that give a similar weapon attack as the Galaxy-X dreadnought's spinal phaser lance. In DS9 battle scenes you often see the K'tinga firing a disruptor beam from where its torpedo port should be. This is also usable on battle cruisers. So you can also use it on Vor'cha that also have a 'large drisruptor' at its bow. Same for Negh'Var (though its most powerful disruptor *duo* are underside for the flagship in the DS9, some versions of the ship has a weapon port at the bow?)

    The red mystery beam they never explained.
    Yeah that's an odd one.
    Either they thought it meant something or the FX guys just messed it up because they were moving towards the "every ship fires all its weapons from the forward point fo the ship" concept that seemed to dominate the later seasons of DS9.
    Anyway it's a good question what exactly that thing is but IMO it's a disruptor.

    Red Mystery Beam on K't'inga:
    http://ds9.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/4x02/wayofwarrior2_578.jpg

    Red Disruptor Beam in Star Trek VI:
    http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/4274/vlcsnap2011070318h38m40.png
    http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/4817/vlcsnap2011070318h38m46.png

    Red Disruptor Beam in DS9 "Honor Among Thieves":
    http://ds9.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/6x15/honoramongthieves_300.jpg

    But perhaps it would be an interesting addition if the T5 K't'ing came with its own unique weapon that can be either slotted or removed based on your personal preference like the Quads or the Bioneural Torp.:)

    The forward gun on the Vor'cha was a bit ambigious in its own way as it could one-shot a K'vort without shields in TNG "Redemption" where it was a blue blob

    http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20081004051135/memoryalpha/en/images/1/13/IKS_Bortas_firing_disruptor_cannon.jpg

    while on DS9 it was sometimes rather unimpressive (and seemingly the only weapon the 480 meter warship had).

    http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080824061646/memoryalpha/en/images/b/b0/Vor%27cha_firing_forward_disruptor.jpg

    On the Negh'var it's a good question what that was, it could have been a pair of mighty torpedoes
    http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/images/6/67/IKS_NeghVar_attack.jpg
    or really big disruptor pulses, even though the effect looked different from the pulses the BoPs fired in "Way of the Warrior" while the mobile starbase mega Negh'var from "Shattered Mirror" fired (again rather unimpressive) beams from those points.:confused:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    In order for The Red beam of Mystery to be a swapible console the K'Tinga would have to be a T4 ship.
    WOuldn;t hurt my feelings, though I would like a warfare bend to its direction.

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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    karatka wrote: »
    A T5 "K't'inga" doesn't need to be a K't'inga retrofit per se - remember the K't'inga is a late-23rd century ship whose hull is nearly identical to the earlier D-4 and D-7 classes. Clearly the Klingons have some emotional attachment to that design...

    Call it a Koro't'inga retrofit perhaps, but it's not inherently any more odd than the Defiant or Intrepid retrofits on the Fed side.

    I have to say that I believe this is a solution that could be used to get around the T-5 K'Tinga AND T-5 Connie issue.

    And you don't have to make them fight the role of a cruiser, either.

    I for one would love to have a T-5 ship with a modern look / style of a K'Tinga and have THAT ship be a replacement for my current T-5 raptor.

    I'd LOVE that.

    Same for the Connie end ... I'd be happy with a new escort over there that has the feel of the modern look / style of the ole Constitution ... which is why I feel they messed up with the Exeter and hoping they don't make that mistake again on our KDF side.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Roach wrote: »
    In order for The Red beam of Mystery to be a swapible console the K'Tinga would have to be a T4 ship.
    WOuldn;t hurt my feelings, though I would like a warfare bend to its direction.

    Commander Tactical
    LTC Engineer
    LT Engineer
    LT Sci
    LT Tac
    The disruptor "lance" or "bow cannon" doesn't have to be red. But I see having the Ktinga variant be T4 make sense in order to allow this disruptor weapon be usable by other battle cruisers.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Roach wrote: »
    In order for The Red beam of Mystery to be a swapible console the K'Tinga would have to be a T4 ship.
    WOuldn;t hurt my feelings, though I would like a warfare bend to its direction.

    Commander Tactical
    LTC Engineer
    LT Engineer
    LT Sci
    LT Tac

    Why does it have to be T4?
    Some T4 ships have special consoles while some have unque weapons, same at T3.
    I believe it's not impossible for a T5 ship to have a special weapon, one of them just has to be the first.;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    mister_dee wrote:
    Why does it have to be T4?
    Some T4 ships have special consoles while some have unque weapons, same at T3.
    I believe it's not impossible for a T5 ship to have a special weapon, one of them just has to be the first.;)

    If one wished to move the special console to another vessel under the current console mechanics, would it not have to be a T4 vessel/console?
    Unless of course they make it useable on all battle Cruisers, which would work too.
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