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I have stuck with this game for nearly two years. Even with this F2P stuff going on, and the near-complete lack of listening Cryptic is doing, I had planned to wait and see.
But, with all the things this game needs so desperately, you take the existing Gekli model, stick it onto the coding for the in-game pets, and put it up for sale? Get a grip. We don't want any more of your stupid pets, costumes, and other useless junk. We want CONTENT. We've already paid for it; we're waiting for YOU to DELIVER.
Furthermore, with the lack of dev blogs, we have been told that the devs are too busy to blog. Oh, really? Too busy to keep us informed, but not too busy to put more useless TRIBBLE on the C-store, I see. Not that this is anything new around here, mind you.
Thanks for letting me know where your priorities are, Cryptic. I feel like an idiot for wasting nearly two years of my life playing STO, and I have been a Star Trek fan for the past 20 years. Do yourselves a favor and give your customers a reason to log back on.
But, with all the things this game needs so desperately, you take the existing Gekli model, stick it onto the coding for the in-game pets, and put it up for sale? Get a grip. We don't want any more of your stupid pets, costumes, and other useless junk. We want CONTENT. We've already paid for it; we're waiting for YOU to DELIVER.
Furthermore, with the lack of dev blogs, we have been told that the devs are too busy to blog. Oh, really? Too busy to keep us informed, but not too busy to put more useless TRIBBLE on the C-store, I see. Not that this is anything new around here, mind you.
Thanks for letting me know where your priorities are, Cryptic. I feel like an idiot for wasting nearly two years of my life playing STO, and I have been a Star Trek fan for the past 20 years. Do yourselves a favor and give your customers a reason to log back on.
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And while we're at it - I like to do MISSIONS when I'm playing games. I like to get involved in EPISODES when I'm watching TV. The two are completely separate media. Respect that fact and you might actually get somewhere. "Episode" implies sit-back-and-watch. "Mission" implies getting interactive.
Well said. You're not the only one feeling this way.
+1
If you dont want the Gekli then dont buy it; I didnt. As far as new content goes, unfortunately that isnt coming until after F2P. That is what has happened to pretty much every game that has gone F2P so far in the months leading up to the F2P launch, as the development team was focused on the transition. Whether that is right or wrong, it isnt something thats going to change at this point.
As for the rest of your post, I agree!!
We have been wanting Romulans since STO launched. We get Fed Klingons. The Klingon empire is AT WAR with the federation, and while there would be the occasional Klingon who MIGHT defect, not enough to warrant a race choice. The story that cryptic wrote THEMSELVES would allow them to provide Romulans as a choice for either KDF or Feds.
We have wanted Birds of Prey. We get the Constitution refit and the NX model. Note that it is 40 years after voyager. The constitution was retired long before voyager. They stopped MAKING constitution class ships before Next Gen. Likewise for the NX 01 model.
We wanted Typhoon class, we get D'Kyr.
We wanted real content for the Klingon side, we get level promotions and some c-store ships.
We wanted more content overall, we get feature episodes.
We wanted more end game content, we get a promise (Cryptic, do you know what PROMISE means?) of 1 FE every week. Period.
We wanted a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE ROLE-PLAYING GAME set in the Star Trek universe, we get World of Star Trek that suffers from a Spore complex.
What is my point? Cryptic does not care what we want. And Cryptic chose Star Trek as an IP because they did not have the talent to fix their current game, Champions, to compete with the existing superhero mmos.
Want proof? Look at Champions vs City of Heros. Champions vs the new DC game. Champions vs all the indy superhero mmos. Then compare the quality of writing in STO with, well, anything. It sounds and feels like it was written by the same people that write picture books for 5 year olds.
I decided to take a look recently, and I've been playing on a 10-day Trial to check out the game. I've been enjoying it, and was considering a sub, but the divisiveness of opinion on the forums, in addition to the economic model switch to a f2p (read p2w) format, is really turning me off.
Think I'll wait and see before I decide.
I disagree. City of Heros recently went F2P and frankly, as a subscriber, it was almost seamless. There were pretty steady content releases up until perhaps a month or so before, which is saying something when the game releases a new content pack every 3-4 months. (Maybe that had something to do with it? I guess the transition was helped by CoH being a very mature game, with hundreds if not thousands of hours of content.)
Well, okay, it wasn't seamless. It was a frickin' thing of beauty. Alongside the F2P launch was a graphical re-do of the main starter area as well as a completely revamped tutorial and 1-10 (and to a lesser extent, 10-15) player experience. Heck, some people felt that VIPs got too many bennies....
Now, it has issues. Even as a VIP -- their term for a Gold/subscriber -- there are a two new powersets you have to purchase if you want them. Also, their new rewards system is separate from vets' rewards and is based on how much money you give them -- not exactly stellar.
Want to hear the kicker? It's owned and operated by NCSoft, which is the American subsidary of a SE Asian game company which is most well-known for the massive raidfest known as Lineage. For extra irony, make note of who had originally developed CoH.
So to drag this kicking and screaming back to the topic, an F2P transition can be an awesome thing, and reward subscription players as well as make for an enjoyable F2P experience. And it can still happen here. Obviously the 'deliver content until transition' thing is a lost cause and has been shot down by Cryptic directly anyway, but there is still time for Cryptic to step back and take stock and think about where they're going with this and what they want to do, and fix things, and make it awesome.
Yeah, I know, a tall order... but if I'm going to say 'I'll believe it when I see it,' I have to acknowledge that Cryptic could pull this out of the fire and do something great with it.
Umm I also believe I said I agree with the rest of his post, you forgot that part... Also Re: The rest of your post, you don't have to play the game...
This pretty well sums up my feeling on the topic.
Any bets on a Dev or Mod response?
I don't want items in the c-store. As such, nobody wants them and you shouldn't sell them.
Signed, people in this thread
A Gekli pet is fine, but charging for it, and especially releasing it as a pay-for item at this exact moment, were very poor decisions.
I know. I was not dissing you, merely reinforcing the fact that they make stuff the minority want (which took minimal effort anyway due to the creature model already existing), but do nothing for what the majority want
And yes, I can stop playing, but it is the only Star Trek game around, and I am a huge Star Trek fan. I am also a lifer. Stupid mistake that was, but at least my subscription has already been paid for
If a game causes you this much stress, have you thought about some time off?
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Edit: See! Now it's following me everywhere..
Price elasticity of supply and demand.
In other words, nobody is going to pay over price for an under-powered computer today because there are many acceptable substitutes.
On the flipside, people tend to pay any amount of cash for gasoline because its all controlled by one source, and other substitutes are still expensive, limited, or prototypical.
We are stuck in the latter category; EG getting hosed because if what you want is a Star Trek MMO, there are no acceptable substitutes.
So we can't simply stop playing unless things become so terrible that STO is outright unacceptable in and of itself.
+1 to this, definitely
Infinate Space is coming soon hehehe but cool mate, no issues
Well said. At this point, there is nothing Cryptic can do to redeem themselves in my eyes. Even if Santa clause and the Keebler elves are real and the game magically becomes tolerable, nothing will make up for the fact that they have EXPLOITED loyal star trek fans to pay for an unfinished product, then to bear the development costs yet again so they could change platforms to F2P.
I saw this coming back when the game launched, and was quickly rebuked by fanboys of cryptic and star trek alike. Now I notice the ignorant voices, while still definetly there, are less and less...
Where are the next line of Starfleet Command/Star Trek Legacy games?
This is what happened to me. It got to the point it's not even worth playing. The quality is terrible and lack of content is unacceptable.
And after listening to StormShades recent comments...,
it has become very obvious that I (and many others) are no longer important to Them.
They have Their sights set on the (assumed) massive crowd of folks just chompin' at the bit, to play Their Free Game...
They know Exactly what They are doing and They are just waiting out what They consider a Dull Roar on the forums...
When things die back down due to apathy, They will just continue on Their merry way with what They already have planned.
But..., I'll be damned if They are going to get another nickle OR dime out of me...
It was fun while it lasted...
my main question is: is there someone holding a gun next to your head demanding you to buy the Gekli? I agree with Nagus, if you dont want it dont buy it LOL. Swear
Sorry, as a lifetime subscriber to both Champions and DCUO, I disagree with your assertion. Even in its current state, Champions is STILL a better game (unless you're a PS3 player). I don't regret either purpose (I kinda think if you're worried about a $300 long term investment, you've got bigger problems to deal with and shouldn't be investing to begin with) but Champions has more depth, which is what I tend to value in my PC games. Again, it's an awesome console game but 'meh' on the PC side. And comparing Champions to CoH is like comparing Rift to EverQuest. Which has more content? WHY?!?
Very true! As in most areas of commerce, timing can be everything.
How 'bout this? If you're such a majority, cancel your accounts and walk away. That approach swayed CCP (which is a far more valuable studio than the one that was just sold to Perfect World for the gaming industry equivalent of a ham sandwich and a power ballad) and got them to do a complete 180 and change their development plan. No one cares about what you SAY. They care about what you DO. If 51% (your majority statement) of the active accounts in STO were canceled in a week, someone would take notice and want to find out why. But spewing raw sewage on the message board isn't going to accomplish diddly. If anything, you're going to create more people like Monmar who are going to be given pause by the vitriol and dissuaded from even trying the game on the premium level.
You have every right to be impatient but, and here's the important bit, there's nothing that can be done about it now. Nothing. They've chosen their course and until that rollout is completed, NOTHING is going to get pushed unless it stands to generate revenue on its own (so only C-Store stuff). You don't like it, heck I don't like it, but it is what it is. Harping on it is only going to rile you up, it's not going to make anyone with the power to do anything jump to get all your myriad demands met. This game has had what amounts to a lost year. The hiring freeze put the kibosh on all of DStahl's various promises and now we're dealing with the cascade effect of that. They're trying to catch up but it's going to take time for them to get up to speed (hiring new people, training new people, and finding the optimal level of output.....much like every other workplace).
What's that saying about blood and turnips?
To non-lifers, however, if you are not happy, do not pay. Simple. Leave for 2 months, than come back. If you all do that, the game will either not be here, or will be better. Either way, a win, depending on how one views it.
Go play EVE :-) I know I do when I am free and not helping my mate get to rear admiral.
And if those massive crowds never come because they saw how the devs treated us, and see our anger, and have no desire to be involved?
Half of me will be smug; Cryptic will have gotten what it deserved for its actions.
The other half will be heartbroken because I watched both the birth and death of the first Star Trek MMO.
I kinda agree and disagree with you.
On the one hand, yes they're in a tough crrunch right now and there's NO way "content" is making it to holodeck until F2P rollout. Also most - if not all - game devs have a seperate department for cash-shop items, these people are NOT being taken away from jobs involving the F2P rollout just to create a pet.
On the other hand, there's been very little content sprinkled in between long droughts. I've stuck with STO for several reasons; I love Star Trek, I love STO, I like playing casually so the drought didn't impact me as much as others, I'm a lifer so I'm here 'till I can't stand the game. I've bought a LOT of c-store items, all my choice. But, with everything going on right now, with some changes causing such uproar, with some changes seeming like there was no thought to it before rollout, is NOW really the time to put out yet another store item?
Then they run a 20% off sale, but only for 4 days. My next payday is the 3rd so, tuff luck for me.
But then again, it's reasonable to presume that the mythical 'cash-shop department' are also responsible for other fluff items - such as veteran rewards.
Maybe C-Store fluff like this wouldn't be so bad if the 600 day Vet reward wasn't so lacklustre.