Are you missing the reason why they are doning this? So the player will say heck with this and purchase a Tier level ship from C-Store. I dont think they will scafice $$$ income.
Are you missing the reason why they are doning this? So the player will say heck with this and purchase a Tier level ship from C-Store. I dont think they will scafice $$$ income.
Oh no, we understand. The problem for Cryptic is, instead of saying "to heck with this" and buying from the C-Store, a lot of players have decided "to heck with this" and are leaving the game.
I quit. I haven't so much as stepped foot into STO since seeing this utterly disturbing trend. I'm not sure if this is cryptic...CBS or perfect world...though I'm willing to blame the latter....since none of these bone headed ideas existed until PW took over.
You Know i used to grind. Hell I played wow...and dragged a friend who was Anti-wow into it with me and one time. It was a grindy game. I've played Aion. Pretty hardcore as well. Eve online was also grindtastic...there is a reason I play STO beyond the fact it is star trek. Because it was casual. because it was easy fun and relaxing. I made a lot of friends and a few painful memories in STO. things I would not trade for this world....
I don't have the time to grind anymore.....and Now seeing my beloved game being turned into...and Im sorry to say this...A cheap Korean grind MMO has upset me beyond words.
This is not how you treat star trek. this is not how you treat STO
My Fed 51 levelled before the discount tokens. That system was simply inacceptable, which is why they changed it.
My KDF 51 had to wait 1 day to purchase my BG ship. I don't think that's ridiculous. If I had done all the Explos and dailies while levelling up, I likely wouldn't have had to wait that day. All the other ships I had the Dilithium to get immediately, or had to go run a single mission for more Dilithium because I was a few hundred short.
However, since Feds don't have access to the Pi Canis patrol missions, I could see them having a significantly more difficult time with that. Perhaps they need a similarly quick and easy repeatable they can use to get Dilithium?
I don't feel that the current system for getting your first new ship is completely ridiculous. Perhaps one or two missions you didn't want to do have to be done. Perhaps you feel you shouldn't even have to do those. I can understand and see that viewpoint, I simply don't agree with it.
The grind comes once you start looking at STF gear, however. 30 missions for each Mk X Set item (granted, Infected space takes 15 minutes unless your team is undergeared and/or incompetent - that's only 7.5 hours if you can sit at the computer for that long, and get lucky on groups). 60 Missions for each Mk XI Set item. That's a minimum of 84 hours of actual game time to kit up to Mk XI, so that you're geared to run the Elites...
The problem is that Cryptic has locked down the missions so much, the game is no longer fun. Even exploration missions to get dilithium are locked down to a 24 hour timer which seems to be an intentional push to the CStore to just not have to do the damned things. There are other issues as well but I think that is what the OP is lamenting.
Well the lockdown or restricting content is a seperate issue than the costs.
As for a ship, the discount token is fine. I had unfortunately leveled up before it was in through Lt. Cmdr and Cmdr. and made the mistake of purchasing the ship at Lt. Cmdr. So I just chose to dtay in it and I only missed my Cmdr. ship. By the time I hit Captain the dicount token was in there, I had the extra dilithium from Cmdr. rank up so I had no problem getting a ship at Captain and RA.
The costs for gear, well that has been said to be an order of magnitude off. That will be fixed as well as more hook-ups to the dilithium system.
Now what I want to see is the B'Tran setup for all exploration clusters and defends, the first time you get a scaled reward of dilithium ore but then you can repeate them like we can now for a level appropriate reward. Or in fact, just keep them the way they are on holodeck timer-wise, let us choose dilithium or level appropriate like for the Foundry Mission hook-up but the catch is you can only choose the dilithium reward once a day. It should be the ore reward that is given once a day, not the content.
Its a shame Cryptic doesnt realize its a bad, bad time to start this "NGE" stuff. With TOR on the horizon, i cant see many people putting up with this nonsense. This isnt asia, the F2P Frenzy doesnt work here, people would rather play a fun game not a grind game.
Now when I play casually I usually only do a couple of dailies a day and a few other activities, that means the time it would take me to get a new ship would be anywhere from a few days to a BLOODY WEEK
A week of my time wasted on a grind, no story progression, no leveling, nothing but a grind in a gimped ship!
Sorry if this has been mentioned but...
It currently takes ten days to grind out a delta flyer and you are moaning it might take you up to a week for a T5 ship.
Get some perspective and stop being a moaning little baby.
i am in the camp that says people should get a free ship at rank up. i just think that should be the case, and it just simplifies things but since the last patch i have been levelling a klingon.
i have had very little problem getting my ships at each rank up. This is bearing in mind that the level speed has been increased and you will have much more time to earn your dilithium. borg events, doff, mirror universe, star clusters, lore missions. its been pretty easy to do. i think i was slightly under when i hit captain and slightly over when i hit BG.
The original problem was highlighted because many people had started levelling feds very quickly when the system was not fully set up on the first build (its still not fully there yet) and it made the situation far far worse than it is in reality after the second patch.
I still think people should be getting enough to get a free ship, but if they keep it as it is then im actually coming round to the idea. its kind fun having to plan out what you need. if you cant get your ship at rank up, its not the end of the world. game is still playable in your older ship for many many levels plus if the new c-store is to be believed, lower level plus 1 ships are coming down in price making them much more attractive.
the downside is ive not really had enough to buy the weapons and gear i need and it is possible to TRIBBLE yourself out of a ship if you dont pay attention to what you are doing and sell you ship dilithium by accident. im also not a fan of lower level daily star clusters not giving out dilithium. they all scale and even if the xp does not they are still tough missions and they should have some dilithium with them.
but overall the situation is not as bad as its made out to be and future patches should be easing the situation.
The grind comes once you start looking at STF gear, however. 30 missions for each Mk X Set item (granted, Infected space takes 15 minutes unless your team is undergeared and/or incompetent - that's only 7.5 hours if you can sit at the computer for that long, and get lucky on groups). 60 Missions for each Mk XI Set item. That's a minimum of 84 hours of actual game time to kit up to Mk XI, so that you're geared to run the Elites...
they drop rare salvage as well. ive picked up a few nice pieces pretty quickly including 2 of the space shields from the sets, and about 5 standard mark x and xi items.
It currently takes ten days to grind out a delta flyer and you are moaning it might take you up to a week for a T5 ship.
Get some perspective and stop being a moaning little baby.
I need to get some perspective? lol
Your the one trying to compare a pure vanity item with one of necessity.
Show me where in the game not having the Delta Flyer compromises my ability to continue leveing. :rolleyes:
I need to get some perspective? lol
Your the one trying to compare a pure vanity item with one of necessity.
Show me where in the game not having the Delta Flyer compromises my ability to continue leveing. :rolleyes:
and how does having to work for a single week to get what should be one of the best ships in the game affect your ability to level up?:rolleyes:
I have done one exploration daily in each cluster as it's come available.
I have done the lore daily I think 3 times.
I have gotten a few critical successes in DOFF mission, but nothing outstanding, maybe 4 or 5.
I have about 5000 Dilithium in my inventory right now, so I'll probably have to do 2 or 3 days of work to get my RA ship. (and I haven't done my dailies since I hit Capt 10) I wouldn't call a T5 ship a leveling necessity, until you're trying to do the STFs you should be fine in a T4 ship as long as you get newer weapons and equipment for it.
and how does having to work for a single week to get what should be one of the best ships in the game affect your ability to level up?:rolleyes:
Because a Tier 4 ship compromises the leveling process as its performance is sub-par to a Tier 5.
Were talking standard Tier 5 ships here, not Vice Admiral ships which "are" the best and most powerful ships in the game.
Because a Tier 4 ship compromises the leveling process as its performance is sub-par to a Tier 5.
Were talking standard Tier 5 ships here, not Vice Admiral ships which "are" the best and most powerful ships in the game.
Which is why I said 'one of the best', not the best, and if you cant make a tier 5 regular ship work for you it says alot about your ability as a player (looking at this from a tac officer view point the fleet escort is one of the most overlooked ships in the game, despite the fact that if its set up right its more then a match for most of your average players/missions)
And again, how is having to work for a week to get one of the best ships a 'grind fest' (and while we are at it as loads of people have already pointed out it wont take you a week if you play right as you should have enough funds when you get to RA anyway)
You are complaining that as a player you have to work for a single week to get a high powered ship, thats not a grind fest, thats you complaining you are not getting freebies handed to you left right and centre, and since this is supposed to be for F2P players most would know and expect to have to actually work towards getting the hotter ships and items and would probably see a week as a fair deal.
Which is why I said 'one of the best', not the best, and if you cant make a tier 5 regular ship work for you it says alot about your ability as a player (looking at this from a tac officer view point the fleet escort is one of the most overlooked ships in the game, despite the fact that if its set up right its more then a match for most of your average players/missions)
And again, how is having to work for a week to get one of the best ships a 'grind fest' (and while we are at it as loads of people have already pointed out it wont take you a week if you play right as you should have enough funds when you get to RA anyway)
You are complaining that as a player you have to work for a single week to get a high powered ship, thats not a grind fest, thats you complaining you are not getting freebies handed to you left right and centre, and since this is supposed to be for F2P players most would know and expect to have to actually work towards getting the hotter ships and items and would probably see a week as a fair deal.
Maybe your a basement dweller pal, I dont know but most people have lives, is it so difficult to understand people PAY for a product to enjoy it NOT to work? People work hard all day and the last thing most people need is to come home and feel like we are at a second job.
Thats the problem here, maybe some people have so much time on their hands they dont care (or are just masochistic enough to enjoy it) but paying to access another job is a huge scam.
Maybe your a basement dweller pal, I dont know but most people have lives, is it so difficult to understand people PAY for a product to enjoy it NOT to work? People work hard all day and the last thing most people need is to come home and feel like we are at a second job.
Thats the problem here, maybe some people have so much time on their hands they dont care (or are just masochistic enough to enjoy it) but paying to access another job is a huge scam.
two things 'pal'
First up, no I am not a basement dweller, I dont have that much free time, if you are going to try and insult me with that then can I remind you that you are such a basement dweller that you paid for the lifer. Some of us just dont consider that a couple if dailies over a week period is either a grind or something to be moaning about for a high end ship, you can't expect to be given EVEYTHING for free all the time
Second up, you arnt paying for it, this is the free to pay version of the game that we are testing, its designed for those players who won't be paying, and quite frankly I still think cryptic are been generous by only make f2p players only have to work for less then a week for something as good as a T5 ship, most casual players will be set with it so won't need anything more.
First up, no I am not a basement dweller, I dont have that much free time, if you are going to try and insult me with that then can I remind you that you are such a basement dweller that you paid for the lifer. Some of us just dont consider that a couple if dailies over a week period is either a grind or something to be moaning about for a high end ship, you can't expect to be given EVEYTHING for free all the time
Second up, you arnt paying for it, this is the free to pay version of the game that we are testing, its designed for those players who won't be paying, and quite frankly I still think cryptic are been generous by only make f2p players only have to work for less then a week
Well said, sir
Basically, AlexRaptor just wants everything handed to him for free, and anything that means he has to do something, well, frankly, sucks.
Besides, he is still complaining about something that he really doesn't need to complain about any longer. If he is having trouble "grinding" for a RA:UH rank ship, why doesn't he just go and get it with the free ship token gold members get now? At least, I think you get the token at RA:UH. It's been a while since I levelled a character through RA, so I don't recall for certain. I know you get one at RA:LH, and I think you get one at UH too, but as I said, not 100% certain.
Basically, AlexRaptor just wants everything handed to him for free, and anything that means he has to do something, well, frankly, sucks.
Besides, he is still complaining about something that he really doesn't need to complain about any longer. If he is having trouble "grinding" for a RA:UH rank ship, why doesn't he just go and get it with the free ship token gold members get now? At least, I think you get the token at RA:UH. It's been a while since I levelled a character through RA, so I don't recall for certain. I know you get one at RA:LH, and I think you get one at UH too, but as I said, not 100% certain.
Perhaps, seeing as he hasn't posted since the patch, he may have gone and done exactly that, which raises a question: Why continue insulting and yelling at someone when the mechanic under debate is no longer part of the game (for the testers)?
Look, I'm not a fan of grinding dilithium to buy the next ship tier, I understand the T5 ships are "sort of" not necessary for players, you don't get a captain rank BO, so a T5 ship doesn't give you access to any new skills, just more of them. So there is a fairly credible argument to make, saying that once a player hits a T4 ship, that's good enough, and anything else is gravy. And, this argument is muddied because (as gold players, and back on holodeck) we're used to getting these ships for free, (so it's easy to point and say things like, "grind for the best," or "you're just used to being given everything, and don't want to work for it", but that's doing the argument, and arguer, a disservice.) On the other hand the game is balanced with the assumption that the player will have a T5 ship at this point, and gating that away does put a player at a notable disadvantage once they hit RA.
Is it insurmountable? No. Players can get there by grinding. Is grinding fun? Usually not, I was messing around with the Academy event back on the 12th and asking myself "am I having fun with this?" and I couldn't come up with a definite answer. Do I care, or should we care, that silvers will have to grind heavily for days to get a T5 ship? Eh, maybe not. The argument that T5 ships are far too common at present has some merit, and with a F2P game, it gives silver players some incentive to throw money Cryptic, which I'm fine with at a conceptual level.
I do like the idea of other people having to work for those ships, and I do like not being forced to do the same, call me a hypocrite if you'd like, but quite frankly, I've already spent close to 800 bucks on the game, and I'm glad I have some considerations thrown my way.
Yelling at other posters? Yeah, that's not going to help the situation. I think it's fair to say we were all ****ed at this system, to some extent. Some may still be, and that's fine, but I don't think we'll get anywhere constructive by throwing insults at each other.
EDIT: Huh, P*ssed is on the verboten list, who'da'thunk it? Now it looks like I said something far more hilariously severe.
Absolutely right Starke.
This thread has already achieved its objective of restoring the free ship tokens up to Rear Admiral.
And since this particular thread has served its purpose there is no point for further arguments here.
People who pay a sub, or Gold Members shouldnt have to grind, they pay for the game. Silver members? yeah okay, they are playing for Free, so let them grind.
Basically dont take away from paying customers anything would be a good policy for cryptic, a good transition would have gold members enjoying a equal or enhanced game as is currently available on live, while the restrictions are in place for those silver players.
IMO, a week to get a new ship at RA is, if anything, far too lenient and think the pace is about right in F2P, and the danger of undervaluing the experience by making it too quick and easy makes it less fun by nature being less rewarding is great.
While there are absolutely (acknowledged) gaps in official content and there are way too many cookie cutter patrol mission used to pad the game, it is by no stretch of the imagination a grindfest, it's currently very casual-gamer friendly (in the context of the difficulty and the nature of the content and of how easy it is to reach max level). Currently I feel it's too easy and this undervalues the experience.
I really hate grinding and monotony (games /should/ be fun), but human behavior is such that - with players as with children - f you cave in and give everyone what they say they want just because they are being noisy (which doesn't actually seem to be the overwhelming view, judging by this thread) then - exactly as noted in the Path to F2P Blogs - it undervalues the reward and achievement and actually makes the game seem less fun.
The game is easily playable without having the latest-and-greatest gear at any given level, so it's not as if you are going to be noticeably hampered because you don't have the ship from the next tier up (at least on Normal level difficulty). If that were not true, I would agree that not giving players the ship automatically was bad idea, but it's just not the case.
I would have been fine with players waiting till about Grade 2 before being typically having enough to unlock the next tier ship, frankly (unless they had C-Store points and/or had been saving). The mechanic of having to think to save a bit actually adds value, if the balance is struck well. There have been *many* threads on the main forum that ships are too throwaway (personally, I'd eventually like to see the option to just upgrade them, at least to one tier up - perhaps as a compromise).
I want to work to get the best equipment. I want that "work" to be fun, it's a game after all, and I want to have lots of cool things I can reasonably acquire at a moderate pace (e.g. typically a new ship within a month or two, based on logging for a few hours each week for example) but I fully expect - and actually hope - there are cool things I'll likely never get, but can aspire to, because I just don't play that often. As much as I want cool new things, I always want there to be things to reach for.
The team seem very aware of the importance of getting the balance right from what I've seen (never an easy task when you are trying to keep disparate groups reasonably happy).
I decided to give the discount tokens they put in for new ships at rank up a chance, and this is what i arrived at.
New Ship at Commander was tolerable.
New Ship at Captain was annoying.
New Ship at Rear Admiral Lower Half was bloody intolerable and FAIL required me to get 10k more dilithium.
Yay I ranked up to Rear Admiral 1, cool give me my ship so i can continue playing and leveling... wtf? you mean i not only have to grind for HOURS to get enough dilithium? I also have to wait an entire DAY or MORE because i can only refine 8k dilithium a day?
Yeah.... its total BS.
Now when I play casually I usually only do a couple of dailies a day and a few other activities, that means the time it would take me to get a new ship would be anywhere from a few days to a BLOODY WEEK
A week of my time wasted on a grind, no story progression, no leveling, nothing but a grind in a gimped ship!
I also hate being forced to grind, i hate exploration and i hate 75% of the REPETITIVE dailies. GIVE US BACK OUR FREE SHIP TOKENS ALREADY!
Seriously, this nonsense has to stop already, with this the game is no longer FUN.
Either put back the free ship tokens or drasticly raise the refinement cap and make ALL missions give dilithium.
Please get real I ran up to Admiral on a Lt com escort. It was not really that hard. Then bought the captain defiant to use til I had enough to grab my advanced. I agree that the 8k limit on refining is way to low, mainly because I can farm up 12k easily now in an hour. But complaining tht you can not continue playing on a captain ship at admiral. Thats a bit weak.
I think everyone one (VETS of which I am one of them ) is getting thier panties in a bunch over nothing.
WHEN the F2P patch goes live you will get Dilithium for:
1) Story line missions
2) Fleet Actions
3) Explore Missions (which I am with you all..I hate them)
4) Feature story missions
5) Speical events
6) Doff missions
From a Fed perspective you should have MORE than enough Dilithium by the time you hit RA to get your ships. That is in the Dev blogs... VA yes you may have to work for. But sheesh....how many of us took WEEKS of grinding (which I also agree...I hate grinding) to get all MK XI purple equipment, and MK XI blue consoles??? So big whoop...you now have to grind and extra week to get a VA ship. Its not like there is any other end game content anyway.
Now what I would like to see is SUBSTAINTIAL rewards of Dilithium offered for PvP events and Fleet actions at RA - VA... instead of doing the B'Tran, Deferi daily, Traeleus, Alhena, Shimar grind.... I am so sick of that grind on Holodeck!!! Or add some Daily missions in Romulan Space (why did the Breen and Devidian series get dailies....but not the Romulan?)
Please get real I ran up to Admiral on a Lt com escort. It was not really that hard. Then bought the captain defiant to use til I had enough to grab my advanced. I agree that the 8k limit on refining is way to low, mainly because I can farm up 12k easily now in an hour. But complaining tht you can not continue playing on a captain ship at admiral. Thats a bit weak.
You realise that the original post is no longer "current" right?
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Oh no, we understand. The problem for Cryptic is, instead of saying "to heck with this" and buying from the C-Store, a lot of players have decided "to heck with this" and are leaving the game.
You Know i used to grind. Hell I played wow...and dragged a friend who was Anti-wow into it with me and one time. It was a grindy game. I've played Aion. Pretty hardcore as well. Eve online was also grindtastic...there is a reason I play STO beyond the fact it is star trek. Because it was casual. because it was easy fun and relaxing. I made a lot of friends and a few painful memories in STO. things I would not trade for this world....
I don't have the time to grind anymore.....and Now seeing my beloved game being turned into...and Im sorry to say this...A cheap Korean grind MMO has upset me beyond words.
This is not how you treat star trek. this is not how you treat STO
and most importantly.
This is not how you treat your playerbase!
My KDF 51 had to wait 1 day to purchase my BG ship. I don't think that's ridiculous. If I had done all the Explos and dailies while levelling up, I likely wouldn't have had to wait that day. All the other ships I had the Dilithium to get immediately, or had to go run a single mission for more Dilithium because I was a few hundred short.
However, since Feds don't have access to the Pi Canis patrol missions, I could see them having a significantly more difficult time with that. Perhaps they need a similarly quick and easy repeatable they can use to get Dilithium?
I don't feel that the current system for getting your first new ship is completely ridiculous. Perhaps one or two missions you didn't want to do have to be done. Perhaps you feel you shouldn't even have to do those. I can understand and see that viewpoint, I simply don't agree with it.
The grind comes once you start looking at STF gear, however. 30 missions for each Mk X Set item (granted, Infected space takes 15 minutes unless your team is undergeared and/or incompetent - that's only 7.5 hours if you can sit at the computer for that long, and get lucky on groups). 60 Missions for each Mk XI Set item. That's a minimum of 84 hours of actual game time to kit up to Mk XI, so that you're geared to run the Elites...
Well the lockdown or restricting content is a seperate issue than the costs.
As for a ship, the discount token is fine. I had unfortunately leveled up before it was in through Lt. Cmdr and Cmdr. and made the mistake of purchasing the ship at Lt. Cmdr. So I just chose to dtay in it and I only missed my Cmdr. ship. By the time I hit Captain the dicount token was in there, I had the extra dilithium from Cmdr. rank up so I had no problem getting a ship at Captain and RA.
The costs for gear, well that has been said to be an order of magnitude off. That will be fixed as well as more hook-ups to the dilithium system.
Now what I want to see is the B'Tran setup for all exploration clusters and defends, the first time you get a scaled reward of dilithium ore but then you can repeate them like we can now for a level appropriate reward. Or in fact, just keep them the way they are on holodeck timer-wise, let us choose dilithium or level appropriate like for the Foundry Mission hook-up but the catch is you can only choose the dilithium reward once a day. It should be the ore reward that is given once a day, not the content.
Sorry if this has been mentioned but...
It currently takes ten days to grind out a delta flyer and you are moaning it might take you up to a week for a T5 ship.
Get some perspective and stop being a moaning little baby.
i have had very little problem getting my ships at each rank up. This is bearing in mind that the level speed has been increased and you will have much more time to earn your dilithium. borg events, doff, mirror universe, star clusters, lore missions. its been pretty easy to do. i think i was slightly under when i hit captain and slightly over when i hit BG.
The original problem was highlighted because many people had started levelling feds very quickly when the system was not fully set up on the first build (its still not fully there yet) and it made the situation far far worse than it is in reality after the second patch.
I still think people should be getting enough to get a free ship, but if they keep it as it is then im actually coming round to the idea. its kind fun having to plan out what you need. if you cant get your ship at rank up, its not the end of the world. game is still playable in your older ship for many many levels plus if the new c-store is to be believed, lower level plus 1 ships are coming down in price making them much more attractive.
the downside is ive not really had enough to buy the weapons and gear i need and it is possible to TRIBBLE yourself out of a ship if you dont pay attention to what you are doing and sell you ship dilithium by accident. im also not a fan of lower level daily star clusters not giving out dilithium. they all scale and even if the xp does not they are still tough missions and they should have some dilithium with them.
but overall the situation is not as bad as its made out to be and future patches should be easing the situation.
they drop rare salvage as well. ive picked up a few nice pieces pretty quickly including 2 of the space shields from the sets, and about 5 standard mark x and xi items.
I need to get some perspective? lol
Your the one trying to compare a pure vanity item with one of necessity.
Show me where in the game not having the Delta Flyer compromises my ability to continue leveing. :rolleyes:
and how does having to work for a single week to get what should be one of the best ships in the game affect your ability to level up?:rolleyes:
I have done one exploration daily in each cluster as it's come available.
I have done the lore daily I think 3 times.
I have gotten a few critical successes in DOFF mission, but nothing outstanding, maybe 4 or 5.
I have about 5000 Dilithium in my inventory right now, so I'll probably have to do 2 or 3 days of work to get my RA ship. (and I haven't done my dailies since I hit Capt 10) I wouldn't call a T5 ship a leveling necessity, until you're trying to do the STFs you should be fine in a T4 ship as long as you get newer weapons and equipment for it.
Because a Tier 4 ship compromises the leveling process as its performance is sub-par to a Tier 5.
Were talking standard Tier 5 ships here, not Vice Admiral ships which "are" the best and most powerful ships in the game.
Which is why I said 'one of the best', not the best, and if you cant make a tier 5 regular ship work for you it says alot about your ability as a player (looking at this from a tac officer view point the fleet escort is one of the most overlooked ships in the game, despite the fact that if its set up right its more then a match for most of your average players/missions)
And again, how is having to work for a week to get one of the best ships a 'grind fest' (and while we are at it as loads of people have already pointed out it wont take you a week if you play right as you should have enough funds when you get to RA anyway)
You are complaining that as a player you have to work for a single week to get a high powered ship, thats not a grind fest, thats you complaining you are not getting freebies handed to you left right and centre, and since this is supposed to be for F2P players most would know and expect to have to actually work towards getting the hotter ships and items and would probably see a week as a fair deal.
Maybe your a basement dweller pal, I dont know but most people have lives, is it so difficult to understand people PAY for a product to enjoy it NOT to work? People work hard all day and the last thing most people need is to come home and feel like we are at a second job.
Thats the problem here, maybe some people have so much time on their hands they dont care (or are just masochistic enough to enjoy it) but paying to access another job is a huge scam.
two things 'pal'
First up, no I am not a basement dweller, I dont have that much free time, if you are going to try and insult me with that then can I remind you that you are such a basement dweller that you paid for the lifer. Some of us just dont consider that a couple if dailies over a week period is either a grind or something to be moaning about for a high end ship, you can't expect to be given EVEYTHING for free all the time
Second up, you arnt paying for it, this is the free to pay version of the game that we are testing, its designed for those players who won't be paying, and quite frankly I still think cryptic are been generous by only make f2p players only have to work for less then a week for something as good as a T5 ship, most casual players will be set with it so won't need anything more.
Well said, sir
Basically, AlexRaptor just wants everything handed to him for free, and anything that means he has to do something, well, frankly, sucks.
Besides, he is still complaining about something that he really doesn't need to complain about any longer. If he is having trouble "grinding" for a RA:UH rank ship, why doesn't he just go and get it with the free ship token gold members get now? At least, I think you get the token at RA:UH. It's been a while since I levelled a character through RA, so I don't recall for certain. I know you get one at RA:LH, and I think you get one at UH too, but as I said, not 100% certain.
Perhaps, seeing as he hasn't posted since the patch, he may have gone and done exactly that, which raises a question: Why continue insulting and yelling at someone when the mechanic under debate is no longer part of the game (for the testers)?
Look, I'm not a fan of grinding dilithium to buy the next ship tier, I understand the T5 ships are "sort of" not necessary for players, you don't get a captain rank BO, so a T5 ship doesn't give you access to any new skills, just more of them. So there is a fairly credible argument to make, saying that once a player hits a T4 ship, that's good enough, and anything else is gravy. And, this argument is muddied because (as gold players, and back on holodeck) we're used to getting these ships for free, (so it's easy to point and say things like, "grind for the best," or "you're just used to being given everything, and don't want to work for it", but that's doing the argument, and arguer, a disservice.) On the other hand the game is balanced with the assumption that the player will have a T5 ship at this point, and gating that away does put a player at a notable disadvantage once they hit RA.
Is it insurmountable? No. Players can get there by grinding. Is grinding fun? Usually not, I was messing around with the Academy event back on the 12th and asking myself "am I having fun with this?" and I couldn't come up with a definite answer. Do I care, or should we care, that silvers will have to grind heavily for days to get a T5 ship? Eh, maybe not. The argument that T5 ships are far too common at present has some merit, and with a F2P game, it gives silver players some incentive to throw money Cryptic, which I'm fine with at a conceptual level.
I do like the idea of other people having to work for those ships, and I do like not being forced to do the same, call me a hypocrite if you'd like, but quite frankly, I've already spent close to 800 bucks on the game, and I'm glad I have some considerations thrown my way.
Yelling at other posters? Yeah, that's not going to help the situation. I think it's fair to say we were all ****ed at this system, to some extent. Some may still be, and that's fine, but I don't think we'll get anywhere constructive by throwing insults at each other.
EDIT: Huh, P*ssed is on the verboten list, who'da'thunk it? Now it looks like I said something far more hilariously severe.
This thread has already achieved its objective of restoring the free ship tokens up to Rear Admiral.
And since this particular thread has served its purpose there is no point for further arguments here.
Basically dont take away from paying customers anything would be a good policy for cryptic, a good transition would have gold members enjoying a equal or enhanced game as is currently available on live, while the restrictions are in place for those silver players.
While there are absolutely (acknowledged) gaps in official content and there are way too many cookie cutter patrol mission used to pad the game, it is by no stretch of the imagination a grindfest, it's currently very casual-gamer friendly (in the context of the difficulty and the nature of the content and of how easy it is to reach max level). Currently I feel it's too easy and this undervalues the experience.
I really hate grinding and monotony (games /should/ be fun), but human behavior is such that - with players as with children - f you cave in and give everyone what they say they want just because they are being noisy (which doesn't actually seem to be the overwhelming view, judging by this thread) then - exactly as noted in the Path to F2P Blogs - it undervalues the reward and achievement and actually makes the game seem less fun.
The game is easily playable without having the latest-and-greatest gear at any given level, so it's not as if you are going to be noticeably hampered because you don't have the ship from the next tier up (at least on Normal level difficulty). If that were not true, I would agree that not giving players the ship automatically was bad idea, but it's just not the case.
I would have been fine with players waiting till about Grade 2 before being typically having enough to unlock the next tier ship, frankly (unless they had C-Store points and/or had been saving). The mechanic of having to think to save a bit actually adds value, if the balance is struck well. There have been *many* threads on the main forum that ships are too throwaway (personally, I'd eventually like to see the option to just upgrade them, at least to one tier up - perhaps as a compromise).
I want to work to get the best equipment. I want that "work" to be fun, it's a game after all, and I want to have lots of cool things I can reasonably acquire at a moderate pace (e.g. typically a new ship within a month or two, based on logging for a few hours each week for example) but I fully expect - and actually hope - there are cool things I'll likely never get, but can aspire to, because I just don't play that often. As much as I want cool new things, I always want there to be things to reach for.
The team seem very aware of the importance of getting the balance right from what I've seen (never an easy task when you are trying to keep disparate groups reasonably happy).
Please get real I ran up to Admiral on a Lt com escort. It was not really that hard. Then bought the captain defiant to use til I had enough to grab my advanced. I agree that the 8k limit on refining is way to low, mainly because I can farm up 12k easily now in an hour. But complaining tht you can not continue playing on a captain ship at admiral. Thats a bit weak.
WHEN the F2P patch goes live you will get Dilithium for:
1) Story line missions
2) Fleet Actions
3) Explore Missions (which I am with you all..I hate them)
4) Feature story missions
5) Speical events
6) Doff missions
From a Fed perspective you should have MORE than enough Dilithium by the time you hit RA to get your ships. That is in the Dev blogs... VA yes you may have to work for. But sheesh....how many of us took WEEKS of grinding (which I also agree...I hate grinding) to get all MK XI purple equipment, and MK XI blue consoles??? So big whoop...you now have to grind and extra week to get a VA ship. Its not like there is any other end game content anyway.
Now what I would like to see is SUBSTAINTIAL rewards of Dilithium offered for PvP events and Fleet actions at RA - VA... instead of doing the B'Tran, Deferi daily, Traeleus, Alhena, Shimar grind.... I am so sick of that grind on Holodeck!!! Or add some Daily missions in Romulan Space (why did the Breen and Devidian series get dailies....but not the Romulan?)
You realise that the original post is no longer "current" right?