Um.. the Raptor is not an actuall escort ya know.. Its a Destroyer/strike light cruiser class. I wouldn't mond seeing the pivit point fixed but I dont try to fly it like its Defiant. I fly it like I would Fly a world war II sturmovik ground attack fighter.. Zoom and Boom baby!
Um.. the Raptor is not an actuall escort ya know.. Its a Destroyer/strike light cruiser class. I wouldn't mond seeing the pivit point fixed but I dont try to fly it like its Defiant. I fly it like I would Fly a world war II sturmovik ground attack fighter.. Zoom and Boom baby!
if enough of its other stats were different from the current escort mold, that would be fine, better probably.
if enough of its other stats were different from the current escort mold, that would be fine, better probably.
But they aren't, so you can't (consider it not an Escort), so it still is (an Escort). And the worst one in the game.
And what's frustrating is that they're looking at the Qin RIGHT NOW because they're using the Qin game data to make the Qin C-store variant. Why duplicate the problem in the Qin C-store variant, then fix them both later.
FIX THE QIN NOW, THEN DUP IT AND DO WHATEVER MODS TO MAKE IT THE C-STORE VERSION. FIX IT ONCE. FIX IT BEFORE YOU DUP IT.
But they aren't, so you can't (consider it not an Escort), so it still is (an Escort). And the worst one in the game.
And what's frustrating is that they're looking at the Qin RIGHT NOW because they're using the Qin game data to make the Qin C-store variant. Why duplicate the problem in the Qin C-store variant, then fix them both later.
FIX THE QIN NOW, THEN DUP IT AND DO WHATEVER MODS TO MAKE IT THE C-STORE VERSION. FIX IT ONCE. FIX IT BEFORE YOU DUP IT.
They are buffing the Defiant to have the 3rd Engy console just like the raptor and moving the cloak into a console. By conveniently placing the cloak in a science console slot, there are now ZERO (0) downsides to flying a Defiant over a Raptor.
BUFF MY RAPTOR TURN RATE!!!
(and no, the raptor's higher hull doesn't count because the defiant has higher shields which are more important)
and even if the raptor gets its turning fixed, it will only turn as well as a fleet escort, that 17 turn rate on the defiant greatly outweighs any other possible advantage the raptor might have. to actually shake things up for once, a station change would be nice. the federation has an escort with a LTC science station, give the raptor a LTC engineering station.
They are buffing the Defiant to have the 3rd Engy console just like the raptor and moving the cloak into a console. By conveniently placing the cloak in a science console slot, there are now ZERO (0) downsides to flying a Defiant over a Raptor.
BUFF MY RAPTOR TURN RATE!!!
(and no, the raptor's higher hull doesn't count because the defiant has higher shields which are more important)
and even if the raptor gets its turning fixed, it will only turn as well as a fleet escort, that 17 turn rate on the defiant greatly outweighs any other possible advantage the raptor might have. to actually shake things up for once, a station change would be nice. the federation has an escort with a LTC science station, give the raptor a LTC engineering station.
I could support a Cloak console change for the Qin and a
Ensign: Tac
LT: Tac
COM: tac
LTC: Eng
LT:Sci
Why would you want to change the cloaking to a console on a Klingon ship?
If it freed up the Qin (or any cloaking vessel) to regain whatever was taken from it to balance out having access the "OP cloak" (as was believed to be its nature) earlier in said vessels design - I would be ok.
Like maybe a third Sci console slot for the Qin.
But I would be able to live with the BO layout that you mentioned on a separate ship (like the Adv. Escort and the MVAE are separate).
I was assuming the proposed BOff layout going to be on a new Refit Qin or some such.
Starfleet ships did not get their cloaks converted into consoles so I don't think the Klingon versions should be either.
But some additional BO options for the Raptors would be a good thing.
Currently when you want a Klingon (not counting non-Klingon KDF ships in this case) escort-type it's either Ensign Tac... or BoP, which has no Ensign at all.
I like the Raptor - just not how its a Strafing drag racer (fast but can not turn) as oppossed to a nimble Bird of prey (raptor) that strikes rapidly in hopes of disabling prey for the easy kill through force or precision or even just a Velociraptor (raptor) which is nasty dangerous beast due to its speed and deadly abilities.
If the Raptor could be flown as a strafer who is nimble enough to body roll through a turn to re-acquire target in a dogfight or as a strafer who has the fire-power to make that first volley effective (frankly I can do both with a Hegh) I would use it more.
At the moment it does niether very well in my opinion.
It strikes me as a poor cousin to the Escort or the trophie spouse version of the escort. It looks pretty but I can do better with other vessels.
Well you have to remember a few things.....firstly, Cryptic is stupid. The raptor has been in need of a buff or at least a "fix" regarding its turning axis for some time now but it hasnt happened. Why? Because they understand their game about as well as I understand women. I think I know 'em but I really don't understand them.
There simply is no excuse. To the next moderator that reads this....do me a favour and pass along to what ever TRIBBLE handles ships and tell them I said they suck. Have they ever even flown this ship? Simply no excuse.....a real shame.
tone down the rhetoric, before you get moderated. clearly they are still understaffed, seems like they still only have 1 person handling this kind of stuff, and he cant do more then 1 project at once, which is understandable. blame the doff system, its the only thing that gets any attention anymore. once that damn thing it 'done', hopefully the major ship concerns will at least be acknowledged.
the raptor problem is nothing compared to the galaxy R's shortcoming, all the other c store ships got a buff with an additional useful console, the galaxy got a useless science console. at least the raptor can still decloak and lay the smack down and run, basic escort tactics. of course it cant engage other escorts at all, every other tactical ship out maneuvers it handily, and its station setup sucks.
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Any updates on when this is going to be done?
Yeah, but it was TWO MONTHS ago that he said this was being done...
What's your point?
1. It's not something they can sell in the C-Store so it's low priority
2. It's KDF and we all know the 18% thingy
I don't blame Heretic, he's got to work on the stuff he's getting assigned to.
if enough of its other stats were different from the current escort mold, that would be fine, better probably.
But they aren't, so you can't (consider it not an Escort), so it still is (an Escort). And the worst one in the game.
And what's frustrating is that they're looking at the Qin RIGHT NOW because they're using the Qin game data to make the Qin C-store variant. Why duplicate the problem in the Qin C-store variant, then fix them both later.
FIX THE QIN NOW, THEN DUP IT AND DO WHATEVER MODS TO MAKE IT THE C-STORE VERSION. FIX IT ONCE. FIX IT BEFORE YOU DUP IT.
Yet no Dev responses.
amen brother :rolleyes:
The Garumba is the +1 Raptor, didn't you know that?
And hmm.. 2 months ago, they were supposedly working on fixing the Raptor.....
And when did they get bought by Perfect World again?
They are buffing the Defiant to have the 3rd Engy console just like the raptor and moving the cloak into a console. By conveniently placing the cloak in a science console slot, there are now ZERO (0) downsides to flying a Defiant over a Raptor.
BUFF MY RAPTOR TURN RATE!!!
(and no, the raptor's higher hull doesn't count because the defiant has higher shields which are more important)
I could support a Cloak console change for the Qin and a
Ensign: Tac
LT: Tac
COM: tac
LTC: Eng
LT:Sci
BOff set-up
Why would you want to change the cloaking to a console on a Klingon ship?
But I would be able to live with the BO layout that you mentioned on a separate ship (like the Adv. Escort and the MVAE are separate).
Starfleet ships did not get their cloaks converted into consoles so I don't think the Klingon versions should be either.
But some additional BO options for the Raptors would be a good thing.
Currently when you want a Klingon (not counting non-Klingon KDF ships in this case) escort-type it's either Ensign Tac... or BoP, which has no Ensign at all.
Sadly most likelty true.
I like the Raptor - just not how its a Strafing drag racer (fast but can not turn) as oppossed to a nimble Bird of prey (raptor) that strikes rapidly in hopes of disabling prey for the easy kill through force or precision or even just a Velociraptor (raptor) which is nasty dangerous beast due to its speed and deadly abilities.
If the Raptor could be flown as a strafer who is nimble enough to body roll through a turn to re-acquire target in a dogfight or as a strafer who has the fire-power to make that first volley effective (frankly I can do both with a Hegh) I would use it more.
At the moment it does niether very well in my opinion.
It strikes me as a poor cousin to the Escort or the trophie spouse version of the escort. It looks pretty but I can do better with other vessels.
Stupid.
There simply is no excuse. To the next moderator that reads this....do me a favour and pass along to what ever TRIBBLE handles ships and tell them I said they suck. Have they ever even flown this ship? Simply no excuse.....a real shame.
the raptor problem is nothing compared to the galaxy R's shortcoming, all the other c store ships got a buff with an additional useful console, the galaxy got a useless science console. at least the raptor can still decloak and lay the smack down and run, basic escort tactics. of course it cant engage other escorts at all, every other tactical ship out maneuvers it handily, and its station setup sucks.