Why is it people keep missing the point. It isn't just the fact that it is too OP for its Tier, its that this seems to be the test bed for what they plan for the upper Tiers as well. Tier 3.5, Tier 4.5 Tier 5.5. Get the picture? I mean, it wouldn't bother C-Storers, but what about people that grind for emblems? And no, I don't buy into the "in the future they will make ways for blah blah blah blah".
What I find most interesting about this is that they actually chose to delay the launch, under the illusion of it perhaps being as a result of people's feedback. But since they didn't say anything about it, people assumed it was because they were working on it - but a week passed, and still they said nothing about it.
It appears the week delay was simply to push it into a patch with the other FW-related changes, or else they didn't really take a look at it, at all.
So much for more transparency in the development process.
You actually made me weep. I have to counterblast just to put some persepective into this thread.
Tier 2 PvP. Think about it. Nothing you put in is gonna break the game cos nobody plays T2 PvP on Holodeck, or if they do then they do not for long cos its boring cos there is no counter to cloaks at that level.
Maybe you have missed that CapnLogan has designed new ships for both factions from Tier 2 to Tier 4, and that the devs implied that all ships will get the Rhode Island treatment.
How long until they figure out that this would also work for Tier 5? Especially with the Enterprise-F round around the corner. That ship has to be "special", after all...
I am not gonna pay a premium for things that dont give me an edge in the game. Right now the c-store is 90% junk and that needs to change.
Uniforms and Costumes are is not junk, It's pretty decent stuff if you're into the franchise.
Respecs, character slots, bo tokens and the like are also pretty nice.
The RI is a small step along the way to a healthy C-Store. More please.
May all your toons be permanently shield neutralized and you be chain-rooted by Naucassians.
Tier 2 PvP. Think about it. Nothing you put in is gonna break the game cos nobody plays T2 PvP on Holodeck, or if they do then they do not for long cos its boring cos there is no counter to cloaks at that level.
I love when people make this argument. "It's only T2..." You're absolutely correct. The Rhode Island is in T2. It's actually better than T2 ships, but that's the tier Cryptic stuck it in, so technically it is T2. But the RI's sister ships which are to come out later will not be T2. They'll be T3 and T4. Dan has also alluded to the Ent-F having variants that will be in the C-$tore, so that takes care of T5.
Well to counter a few comments to my initial post...I hope we are all in agreement with the other topics I mentioned about us being luck we're getting as much as we are...cause I've been in MMO's where there's a minor item added every 6 months.
We'd be in luck if Cryptic was adding things that didn't tank their credibility. But they're not, so we're not.
We need to remember Cryptic is a business not our personal trainer that is trying to charge an arm and a leg from us. Their job is to provide content, and make a profit. If they don't make a profit then the company goes bankrupt and we possibly might lose STO. Subscriptions are fine as a means of support for an MMO that doesn't put out a lot of content. What about other games like WOW that have expansions you buy so you can even access another part of the world. Those kinds of things seem more force-to-pay to me then an optional C-Store.
But when Cryptic offers obviously superior ships in the C-$tore in a game where PvP exists, those ships are no longer optional if you want to stay competitive.
The point I am making is: We are getting too upset over something too minute. We need to remember we're fortunate compared to other MMO's. There is nothing in the C-Store that is unconter able or impossible to defeat. I know people that fly Sovereigns and Lunas and kick everyone's rear including those with special ships with special abilities. The ships in the C-Store that give some console or innate ability are balanced and counter able by normal ships that come with the game.
The Rhode Island is not balanced at all. It is clearly superior to existing T2 ships, and it's a C-$tore item only. That's the perfect example of pay-to-win, in case you were confused. Somehow, I don't feel particularly lucky atm...
This phobia that new ships with powers that will unbalance everything is senseless and flat out untrue.
Dude, seriously? Way to misrepresent the issue.
The problem isn't new ships and powers. It's 1) ships with clearly superior BOff and console layouts that totally trash game balance at the tier their introduced in, and 2) those ships being C-$tore only items. THAT'S the issue.
I repeat: There is NO ship in this game that has an advantage great enough to make the pilot superior to the rest of the players. There is always a boff station or console slot handicap that keeps that ship from becoming OP!
Not any more. Now their is a ship that has an advantage great enough to make the pilot superior to the rest of the players. And it's a C-$tore only item. Starting to understand now?
The truth is, that many of us that have the C-Ships have them because we want them, not cause they are better then the default ships. The real OP factor here is these sets, like Aegis and Borg that you either have to be a crafter or have money, or have a group good enough to do every borg stf. Thoes kits give abilities that make ships much more powerful and resilient then any of the C-Ships. I think we can all agree on that.
Did you seriously just try to compare the Borg and Aegis sets, that are available in-game only, with a pay-to-win cash shop ship? Perhaps you don't understand the issue...
Almost forgot: When I played football in HS, and Hockey on the side. I always wanted the best gear. So I upgraded, especially if there was an item like a chest protector that was safter then the one I already had. I also broke hockey sticks so I had to buy new ones, I had to have my skates sharpened which cost money, not that much though.
Also about "promises" that Cryptic made/makes: Some were under a dif EP, and some are changed for various reason. I was promised I could be Special Forces by my recruiter when I joined the Army...I ended up as a standard infantry rifleman. Nothing special or exciting. Should I have sued the govt? Maybe you could sue Cryptic for not upholding to unofficial contract bound and signed promises, none of which were made with any of us. In business, promises get broken all the time. Your promised a job for 5 years and you get laid off after 2 years...that something to be upset about.
When someone makes a promise (especially repeatedly) and then they break that promise it's usually wise to never trust them again. A recruiter promising you that you'd be in the Special Forces was lying to you to get you to join the military so he could make his quota. So what does Cryptic gain by lying to us about never putting game balance-affecting items in the C-$tore? They sure as hell don't gain player loyalty or trust, I can tell you that.
Not really sure where you think going above their heads is really going to have that great of an impact. Complaining at PWE is hardly going to phase anyone - have you read any of the boards for any of the PWE games? Lots of people complaining about lots of things all the time, and they usually don't pay it a second thought.
Besides which, dunno why you didn't just link to their actual website. >_>
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Take a look into the c-store and explode.
It appears the week delay was simply to push it into a patch with the other FW-related changes, or else they didn't really take a look at it, at all.
So much for more transparency in the development process.
Maybe you have missed that CapnLogan has designed new ships for both factions from Tier 2 to Tier 4, and that the devs implied that all ships will get the Rhode Island treatment.
How long until they figure out that this would also work for Tier 5? Especially with the Enterprise-F round around the corner. That ship has to be "special", after all...
Uniforms and Costumes are is not junk, It's pretty decent stuff if you're into the franchise.
Respecs, character slots, bo tokens and the like are also pretty nice.
May all your toons be permanently shield neutralized and you be chain-rooted by Naucassians.
I love when people make this argument. "It's only T2..." You're absolutely correct. The Rhode Island is in T2. It's actually better than T2 ships, but that's the tier Cryptic stuck it in, so technically it is T2. But the RI's sister ships which are to come out later will not be T2. They'll be T3 and T4. Dan has also alluded to the Ent-F having variants that will be in the C-$tore, so that takes care of T5.
It's Tiers 2-5. Think about it.
We'd be in luck if Cryptic was adding things that didn't tank their credibility. But they're not, so we're not.
But when Cryptic offers obviously superior ships in the C-$tore in a game where PvP exists, those ships are no longer optional if you want to stay competitive.
The Rhode Island is not balanced at all. It is clearly superior to existing T2 ships, and it's a C-$tore item only. That's the perfect example of pay-to-win, in case you were confused. Somehow, I don't feel particularly lucky atm...
Dude, seriously? Way to misrepresent the issue.
The problem isn't new ships and powers. It's 1) ships with clearly superior BOff and console layouts that totally trash game balance at the tier their introduced in, and 2) those ships being C-$tore only items. THAT'S the issue.
Not any more. Now their is a ship that has an advantage great enough to make the pilot superior to the rest of the players. And it's a C-$tore only item. Starting to understand now?
Did you seriously just try to compare the Borg and Aegis sets, that are available in-game only, with a pay-to-win cash shop ship? Perhaps you don't understand the issue...
Um, good for you?
When someone makes a promise (especially repeatedly) and then they break that promise it's usually wise to never trust them again. A recruiter promising you that you'd be in the Special Forces was lying to you to get you to join the military so he could make his quota. So what does Cryptic gain by lying to us about never putting game balance-affecting items in the C-$tore? They sure as hell don't gain player loyalty or trust, I can tell you that.
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Besides which, dunno why you didn't just link to their actual website. >_>