Just no. This is not overkill. This is a light sprinkling, just letting people know their alternatives. Have you even PLAYED LoTRO? Cause if you want to know what advertising is, head over there. There can be up to 3-4 LoTRO Store buttons on a single UI panel for various store item shortcuts (at least one even has a full, expanding menu). Even their loading screens are advertisements.
And you know what? I don't mind.
Capitalism rocks.
If I don't want to buy something I... *gasp* Ignore the button and play the game! I know, I know, unconventional.
Try not to get worked up so much over it. Hardly a big deal. Don't wanna buy stuff? Don't pay attention to the buttons.
Is this new? Because I don't remember that being part of the mission briefing.
If that's the case then that is totally and entirely unacceptable and seriously Cryptic, you need to remove that **** now. Totally, totally, totally not cool.
If I had just found out that the thing I just spent two weeks grinding I could have gotten for the same as a XXL meal from Taco Bell, I'd be upset. I think it's fine.
Is this new? Because I don't remember that being part of the mission briefing.
If that's the case then that is totally and entirely unacceptable and seriously Cryptic, you need to remove that **** now. Totally, totally, totally not cool.
If you're going to be advertising to me in game you'd better start paying me for that advertising space you're taking up on my screen (via a stipend is fine) or start refunding my LTS.
That advertisement was in the mission when that FE came out months ago.
If I had just found out that the thing I just spent two weeks grinding I could have gotten for the same as a XXL meal from Taco Bell, I'd be upset. I think it's fine.
So put the ads in the damn launcher (oh WAIT they're already there). Or put them on the damn website (oh WAIT they're already there too). We DON'T need them in the damn game too, you know, the one we had to pay a subscription to play.
I know the C-Store is important for you guys to make some big $$$
and i spend a good amount of cash in there already
but... come on,
do we really need to clutter the ingame UI and now the launcher with huge *in your face* "BUY NOW ON THE C-STORE" buttons everywhere?[...]
Yep, it's very boring to see C-STORE every where ................ :mad: !!!
This is supposed to be the future and one can only expect that internet popups would have made it off the screen and out into the world at large.
Except members of Starfleet aren't actually required to buy stuff, they are provided for (by means of replication most likely). So a huge billboard outside the space station trying to sell uniforms wouldn't really make sense.
I don't mind c store purchase buttons in the tailor so you can see the outfit and decide to buy it then. I don't mind it on the launcher. I would really, really mind if it were on every loading screen. I don't like hearing it is involved in mission text. I would really mind if it were on the walls of ESD. After all, the only capitalists on ESD are the Ferengi skulking in the corners. Star Trek is not a capitalist mecca. It's about an Earth where need and want have been vanquished. That's one of the great draws to Star Trek.
Paying to be advertised to is not a good thing. When you watch a tv program, the advertisment is meant to pay for you getting to watch it for free otherwise. HBO charges you, then doesn't advertise products to you as a rule. Champions in this analogy is the broadcast show, STO is HBO.
I pay a lot of money for satellite service. I use a DVR. I don't go to watch sports events at the stadium anymore once they started charging me $100 to watch commercials there. I decide when I will allow advertising to be thrust at me. Since I'm a lifetime subscriber, I expect to be able to disable ads in the event STO goes FTP. Since all of us pay now, I expect not to be advertised to inside the darn mission text.
I know they wont walk back the changes they've made. They decided in some business meeting to try to leverage the c store better. But if I have to watch advertising casually all through the game like on ESD walls or in every mission text then I simply will not play anymore. That would be a shame since I currently buy most things on the cstore and have devoted much time and money to this game. I want to play Star Trek, not Minority Report.
Except members of Starfleet aren't actually required to buy stuff, they are provided for (by means of replication most likely). So a huge billboard outside the space station trying to sell uniforms wouldn't really make sense.
Pffft we need billboards.... it should be like the animated film Wall-E.. Like BnL in the film, we should have a C-Store logo on everything with big holo adverts in sector space like the hologram at Romulas and Wolf 359.. Could even paint a C-Store logo on the hull of ESD....
Advertising in game on the C-Store UI when the player brings up the C-Store UI? Fine.
Any further advertising of C-Store items, or any other type of outside game items and non-mission/free game content related stuff in game? BAD - and rather tachy (IMO). <---- Going a bit too far.
So put the ads in the damn launcher (oh WAIT they're already there). Or put them on the damn website (oh WAIT they're already there too). We DON'T need them in the damn game too, you know, the one we had to pay a subscription to play.
They are:
Requiring a Box (or Digital) Purchase .
Demanding a Subscription Fee.
Using a Money Store.
Advertising In a P2P Game Without Compensation.
NOT cool.
Why is it that people fail to realize that Cryptic is in this to make money? Advertising without compenstation?!! :rolleyes: Read the EULA and the Terms of Service.
Why is it that people fail to realize that Cryptic is in this to make money? Advertising without compenstation?!! :rolleyes: Read the EULA and the Terms of Service.
Why is that people fail to realize that doesn't justify everything?
We have paid a premium price for a premium service. If they want to smash the game full of advertising and rely on a cash store then remove the requirement of a subscription, go free to play, and give subscribers a stipend of store currency.
If they want to rely on a subscription, then they need to keep advertising and the Cash Store to a minimum.
Cryptic is trying to have their cake and eat it too, then make us pay for the cake.
Oh, and considering that this is a much about the UI and Game Content as it is about the store, it's a little questionable for the Forum Folks to move it to the oubliette that is the C-Store and Promotions board since the tendrils of this kind of thing stretch WELL BEYOND the scope of that ignored little corner of the forums.
I could care less about the buttons but please give us a filter tab for tailor and ship modification. BTW this is STO not Lotro, this game hasn't gone free to play yet and until it does the game needs to quit being treated as if it's free to play and tone down the c-store in game adds. We know where it is and whats there if we want it we will buy it.
Why is that people fail to realize that doesn't justify everything?
We have paid a premium price for a premium service. If they want to smash the game full of advertising and rely on a cash store then remove the requirement of a subscription, go free to play, and give subscribers a stipend of store currency.
If they want to rely on a subscription, then they need to keep advertising and the Cash Store to a minimum.
Cryptic is trying to have their cake and eat it too, then make us pay for the cake.
Oh, and considering that this is a much about the UI and Game Content as it is about the store, it's a little questionable for the Forum Folks to move it to the oubliette that is the C-Store and Promotions board since the tendrils of this kind of thing stretch WELL BEYOND the scope of that ignored little corner of the forums.
You are renting a service. Plain and simple. Cryptic has the right to advertise when and where they like. They are in the business of making money. If you want to make money, you advertise. This is their product and you do not own any part of it so you have no right to compensation for their advertising.
It would appear that capitalism upsets quite a lot of people. I find the complaints about the C-Store more annoying than the actual C-Store. They are everywhere!
The real trick, as you young people will come to discover, is ignoring it. This becomes a lot easier when you are married.
I too feel this is getting excessive to the point of bad taste. I actually had a thread going about how I disapproved about the changes to the launcher. I don't dislike the optimization of the C-Store; I actually think it was a good touch... but that just turns sour when it becomes so pervasive into the game.
About the tailer: I could see the appeal of seeing all the outfits available in the game... but I generally only found it inconveniencing. So... much... clutter...
Oh, and considering that this is a much about the UI and Game Content as it is about the store, it's a little questionable for the Forum Folks to move it to the oubliette that is the C-Store and Promotions board since the tendrils of this kind of thing stretch WELL BEYOND the scope of that ignored little corner of the forums.
You made a thread about the C-Store outside of the forum that is made for C-Store threads. There is also nothing else mentioned in this thread other than the C-Store and advertisements. It's no surprise it was moved.
I've never understood the logic of how advertising works.
The more I see advertisements... the LESS likely I am to buy a product because they are now annoying me. That's just how I work and I can't understand why advertising would make you want to buy something.
You are renting a service. Plain and simple. Cryptic has the right to advertise when and where they like. They are in the business of making money. If you want to make money, you advertise. This is their product and you do not own any part of it so you have no right to compensation for their advertising.
:rolleyes:
In order to make money they also have to keep their customers.
Garish advertising drives people away. Few people want to be smacked in the face with ads every five minutes and NO ONE wants to pay for that "honour."
If they were providing a service for free with attached "extras" being their major source of income then advertising everywhere would be acceptable.
That is not what they're doing here is STO. If they want to adopt the Champions Online model then adopt it already. At this point they've taken up all of the negative aspects of it, but none of the positive. That's bad business.
If Cryptic wants to make money they need to provide an acceptable service for it. Spamming everyone with ads is not acceptable for a paid service, and it's stupid **** like this that gives the C-Store a bad name, drives away subscriptions, and is the reason that I won't be buying Cryptic Points while this idiocy continues.
You made a thread about the C-Store outside of the forum that is made for C-Store threads. There is also nothing else mentioned in this thread other than the C-Store and advertisements. It's no surprise it was moved.
It's not my thread, and it's actually also about the UI and Mission Text (read: Content) as well, unless you want to tell me a thread about the BOff seating in an Excelsior ship is a C-Store thread because it's a ship sold in the Money Store.
It's not my thread, and it's actually also about the UI and Mission Text (read: Content) as well, unless you want to tell me a thread about the BOff seating in an Excelsior ship is a C-Store thread because it's a ship sold in the Money Store.
My apologies on saying this was your thread. The C-Store is mentioned in the title of this thread, therefore they think it has to do with the C-Store only.
Does anyone else get the eerie feeling this could be a herald of an F2P-type future?
I wouldn't have thought it was coming but this is hard visual evidence.
This is exactly the sort of micro-transaction spam that permeates F2P games.
I'm starting to think the same thing, although I like the ability to view C-store items in the ship editor and tailor, it does get in the way somewhat, it's also quite annoying to see buttons about C-store items all over the game (like the bank tabs, BO slots, Ship sots, etc). I'm annoyed at the Launcher because they removed functionality and replaced it with an advert (i class patch notes been visable when you patch as part of a functional Launcher, you shouldn't have to open a seperate browser to see what is been altered on your computer).
The sad thing is, this is a Star Trek game and this kind of advertising goes against alot of the morals I personaly feel Star Trek is about, if it were any other IP I wouldn't probably be as bothered, but that fact that it is star Trek just feels kind of wrong to me.
That been said, if the game went F2P I would not mind as much about all the C-store adverts, by the rate all of these adverts are been placed all over the game (and the fact CO and STO share a similar game engine which seems to be getting tweaking more and more to F2P), it wouldn't surprise me if all of these changes really are just pre-cursers to STO going F2P.
I still refuse to use the C-store btw, ever since they put the pre-order items in it after i bought 3 copies of the game for them (after some devs said in IRC this would not happen, just like the emails saying the lifetime subs were a limited time offer before the games launch).
This may be the silliest thing I have ever read. The game is a business. If you find the business model to be irritating/insulting because of the pervasive advertising (which isn't really all that pervasive and is easily ignorable) than quit supporting the business.
That works a lot more effectively than manufacturing outrage over the fact that a business might want to sell stuff to its customers. :rolleyes:
Like someone said the other day - MMO players complain about EVERYTHING.
This may be the silliest thing I have ever read. The game is a business. If you find the business model to be irritating/insulting because of the pervasive advertising (which isn't really all that pervasive and is easily ignorable) than quit supporting the business.
That works a lot more effectively than manufacturing outrage over the fact that a business might want to sell stuff to its customers. :rolleyes:
Like someone said the other day - MMO players complain about EVERYTHING.
All this apologist stuff I see about this is hard for me to understand. Just how much advertising do you think should be in a pay to play game? Maybe we should see advertisments on every surface and every interface element everywhere? Would you play a game that constantly asked for your money every minute when there are so many choices that do not do this?
I'm not a zealot about it. There are places where having the cstore button makes sense, like the ship and clothing tailors. But inside the mission text is not one of those places. The walls of ESD are not the place for it. Billboards in space would not be a good thing. Some of us want to stop some of this from happening. Some of us want to keep playing and not pay to be advertised to within the actual gameplay. Some others such as yourself seem to be asking them to do just that. I just had to disagree.
What? There's hardly any advertising in game. It amazes me that they don't use all the wall space in the space stations to have advertisements up with the ships, costumes, etc. available. I would also think holographic billboards out in space around the space stations would be a useful marketing device.
now THAT i wouldn't mind.
if its done in a cool ingame way,
like... put the latest C-Store Ship in the Ships Requisition Window, where the Galaxy Class is...
give the Cardassian Tailor an actual shop with mannequins to show the latest uniforms...
show me the cool stuff, make me WANT IT... but don't put a blinking "buy now in c-store" logo in front of it!
those stupid buttons in the UI, it's just annoying, does not make me want to buy anything beyond the stuff i want to buy anyway...
for example in the bank tab, you are limited to buying what? 4 slots?... let me guess, when i buy 4 slots, i can't buy anymore but the button will stay anyway? right? right? anybody tried that yet?
heck i would pay to make those buttons go away... oh wait, i do, it's called monthly sub... oh wait, no, i don't, i got a LTA... *sigh*
i don't mind the costumes in the tailor, at least i can see what i would be buying before i make the purchase (helps me to decide if i want it NOW or if i wait for one of those 20% sales in one or two months...), i also bought all of them so far...
hmm yeah, i can see how a filter option would be nice if you had none of them.
Last time i checked Champions, i think, there was a filter button?
Look at the budwiser adds from the new startrek movie
i hated that Nokia one... i was like "oh realy...? you know... that company probably will be bankrupt at the time that movie is playing".
Luckily it was in the most useless part of the movie (with the little kid) that i would have cut out anyway and replaced it with the Countdown and Nero comics... so what, the movie had been half an hour longer.
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If I had just found out that the thing I just spent two weeks grinding I could have gotten for the same as a XXL meal from Taco Bell, I'd be upset. I think it's fine.
That advertisement was in the mission when that FE came out months ago.
So put the ads in the damn launcher (oh WAIT they're already there). Or put them on the damn website (oh WAIT they're already there too). We DON'T need them in the damn game too, you know, the one we had to pay a subscription to play.
They are:
NOT cool.
Yep, it's very boring to see C-STORE every where ................ :mad: !!!
Except members of Starfleet aren't actually required to buy stuff, they are provided for (by means of replication most likely). So a huge billboard outside the space station trying to sell uniforms wouldn't really make sense.
Paying to be advertised to is not a good thing. When you watch a tv program, the advertisment is meant to pay for you getting to watch it for free otherwise. HBO charges you, then doesn't advertise products to you as a rule. Champions in this analogy is the broadcast show, STO is HBO.
I pay a lot of money for satellite service. I use a DVR. I don't go to watch sports events at the stadium anymore once they started charging me $100 to watch commercials there. I decide when I will allow advertising to be thrust at me. Since I'm a lifetime subscriber, I expect to be able to disable ads in the event STO goes FTP. Since all of us pay now, I expect not to be advertised to inside the darn mission text.
I know they wont walk back the changes they've made. They decided in some business meeting to try to leverage the c store better. But if I have to watch advertising casually all through the game like on ESD walls or in every mission text then I simply will not play anymore. That would be a shame since I currently buy most things on the cstore and have devoted much time and money to this game. I want to play Star Trek, not Minority Report.
I wouldn't have thought it was coming but this is hard visual evidence.
This is exactly the sort of micro-transaction spam that permeates F2P games.
Pffft we need billboards.... it should be like the animated film Wall-E.. Like BnL in the film, we should have a C-Store logo on everything with big holo adverts in sector space like the hologram at Romulas and Wolf 359.. Could even paint a C-Store logo on the hull of ESD....
Uhhh
LOL, so true. I've been trying out CO since it went free, and it's a sign of things to come for STO from the way things are going...
Advertising in game on the C-Store UI when the player brings up the C-Store UI? Fine.
Any further advertising of C-Store items, or any other type of outside game items and non-mission/free game content related stuff in game? BAD - and rather tachy (IMO). <---- Going a bit too far.
Why is it that people fail to realize that Cryptic is in this to make money? Advertising without compenstation?!! :rolleyes: Read the EULA and the Terms of Service.
Why is that people fail to realize that doesn't justify everything?
We have paid a premium price for a premium service. If they want to smash the game full of advertising and rely on a cash store then remove the requirement of a subscription, go free to play, and give subscribers a stipend of store currency.
If they want to rely on a subscription, then they need to keep advertising and the Cash Store to a minimum.
Cryptic is trying to have their cake and eat it too, then make us pay for the cake.
You are renting a service. Plain and simple. Cryptic has the right to advertise when and where they like. They are in the business of making money. If you want to make money, you advertise. This is their product and you do not own any part of it so you have no right to compensation for their advertising.
Could not have said it better myself.
About the tailer: I could see the appeal of seeing all the outfits available in the game... but I generally only found it inconveniencing. So... much... clutter...
You made a thread about the C-Store outside of the forum that is made for C-Store threads. There is also nothing else mentioned in this thread other than the C-Store and advertisements. It's no surprise it was moved.
The more I see advertisements... the LESS likely I am to buy a product because they are now annoying me. That's just how I work and I can't understand why advertising would make you want to buy something.
:rolleyes:
In order to make money they also have to keep their customers.
Garish advertising drives people away. Few people want to be smacked in the face with ads every five minutes and NO ONE wants to pay for that "honour."
If they were providing a service for free with attached "extras" being their major source of income then advertising everywhere would be acceptable.
That is not what they're doing here is STO. If they want to adopt the Champions Online model then adopt it already. At this point they've taken up all of the negative aspects of it, but none of the positive. That's bad business.
If Cryptic wants to make money they need to provide an acceptable service for it. Spamming everyone with ads is not acceptable for a paid service, and it's stupid **** like this that gives the C-Store a bad name, drives away subscriptions, and is the reason that I won't be buying Cryptic Points while this idiocy continues.
It's not my thread, and it's actually also about the UI and Mission Text (read: Content) as well, unless you want to tell me a thread about the BOff seating in an Excelsior ship is a C-Store thread because it's a ship sold in the Money Store.
My apologies on saying this was your thread. The C-Store is mentioned in the title of this thread, therefore they think it has to do with the C-Store only.
Ok I made the change and incase no one can find it I have a link to the c-store in my signature lol
I'm starting to think the same thing, although I like the ability to view C-store items in the ship editor and tailor, it does get in the way somewhat, it's also quite annoying to see buttons about C-store items all over the game (like the bank tabs, BO slots, Ship sots, etc). I'm annoyed at the Launcher because they removed functionality and replaced it with an advert (i class patch notes been visable when you patch as part of a functional Launcher, you shouldn't have to open a seperate browser to see what is been altered on your computer).
The sad thing is, this is a Star Trek game and this kind of advertising goes against alot of the morals I personaly feel Star Trek is about, if it were any other IP I wouldn't probably be as bothered, but that fact that it is star Trek just feels kind of wrong to me.
That been said, if the game went F2P I would not mind as much about all the C-store adverts, by the rate all of these adverts are been placed all over the game (and the fact CO and STO share a similar game engine which seems to be getting tweaking more and more to F2P), it wouldn't surprise me if all of these changes really are just pre-cursers to STO going F2P.
I still refuse to use the C-store btw, ever since they put the pre-order items in it after i bought 3 copies of the game for them (after some devs said in IRC this would not happen, just like the emails saying the lifetime subs were a limited time offer before the games launch).
That works a lot more effectively than manufacturing outrage over the fact that a business might want to sell stuff to its customers. :rolleyes:
Like someone said the other day - MMO players complain about EVERYTHING.
All this apologist stuff I see about this is hard for me to understand. Just how much advertising do you think should be in a pay to play game? Maybe we should see advertisments on every surface and every interface element everywhere? Would you play a game that constantly asked for your money every minute when there are so many choices that do not do this?
I'm not a zealot about it. There are places where having the cstore button makes sense, like the ship and clothing tailors. But inside the mission text is not one of those places. The walls of ESD are not the place for it. Billboards in space would not be a good thing. Some of us want to stop some of this from happening. Some of us want to keep playing and not pay to be advertised to within the actual gameplay. Some others such as yourself seem to be asking them to do just that. I just had to disagree.
i have turned off ship names for that very reason.
i only see names if i mouse over or target
now THAT i wouldn't mind.
if its done in a cool ingame way,
like... put the latest C-Store Ship in the Ships Requisition Window, where the Galaxy Class is...
give the Cardassian Tailor an actual shop with mannequins to show the latest uniforms...
show me the cool stuff, make me WANT IT... but don't put a blinking "buy now in c-store" logo in front of it!
those stupid buttons in the UI, it's just annoying, does not make me want to buy anything beyond the stuff i want to buy anyway...
for example in the bank tab, you are limited to buying what? 4 slots?... let me guess, when i buy 4 slots, i can't buy anymore but the button will stay anyway? right? right? anybody tried that yet?
heck i would pay to make those buttons go away... oh wait, i do, it's called monthly sub... oh wait, no, i don't, i got a LTA... *sigh*
i don't mind the costumes in the tailor, at least i can see what i would be buying before i make the purchase (helps me to decide if i want it NOW or if i wait for one of those 20% sales in one or two months...), i also bought all of them so far...
hmm yeah, i can see how a filter option would be nice if you had none of them.
Last time i checked Champions, i think, there was a filter button?
i hated that Nokia one... i was like "oh realy...? you know... that company probably will be bankrupt at the time that movie is playing".
Luckily it was in the most useless part of the movie (with the little kid) that i would have cut out anyway and replaced it with the Countdown and Nero comics... so what, the movie had been half an hour longer.
i don't read anything into advertisements... they ARE advertisements, isn't that bad enough by itself?