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i watched birthright again the other day (tng; season 6 epps 16 and 17) and it showed klingons who would rather die than be freed, who chose to stay prisoners because the dishonor of returning would affect their families for 3 generations.
so surely the honorable way to liberate a klingon is with a bat'leth to the throat.
because of this i think the klinogn liberated race should be gorn, as a subdued race i dont think they care too much about their conquors sence of honor and a giant zombie lizard man robot appeals to me for some reason.
(note; i dont expect anything to acctualy change, just putting it out there that i dont think klingons would want to live after being captured)
so surely the honorable way to liberate a klingon is with a bat'leth to the throat.
because of this i think the klinogn liberated race should be gorn, as a subdued race i dont think they care too much about their conquors sence of honor and a giant zombie lizard man robot appeals to me for some reason.
(note; i dont expect anything to acctualy change, just putting it out there that i dont think klingons would want to live after being captured)
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Not sure about details, not a Klingon expert here.
they dont realy give chances, they just punish, i think they are unlikely to go "you have dishonored your self and your family, take this ship and try to do better"
Liberated Gorn Borg? Giant Cyborg Lizardmen don't really push my buttons, sorry.
You know, I paid for the Lifetime Sub and I was damn sure I was going to use the shiny that came with it.
I just didn't want to do it Fed-side with all the other Liberated Borg filling up ESD along with the Joined Trill and Efficient Alien spam.
thats not realy in the spirit of why i made this thread, i have 2 lib borg klingons and said in the OP i dont want anything to actually change), i was just asking if klingons would do it, knowing what we know about klingons
Liberated Klingon Borg is a "go".
killing the borg is the more honorable step, and it's easier, the knowlage can be downloaded from a ship, dont need a drone for that.
and as for the rest... you make it look as if liberated drones are worshiped by the empire. and suggest dishonorably ignoring their past and family just to try and remove dishonor of being captured in battle.
your answer looks like what the romulans would do (not that they care about honor)
given the current state of the game i wouldn't be suprised if that's how it is nowadays and to the OP you made a vary valid point that i do agree with but according to the timelime we are on it's been almost 40 years since some of these things happened and the empire mire have changed their collective view on dishonour since then to both assist and grow, now on a personal level you can't tell people how to think so many klingons not on the high council may indead see them as unhonourable abominations
In our missions we can all get assimilated but get better so its not beyond the realms of possibility.
And there are some conditions regarding suicide explained in that episode: Not when there are still enemies to fight or there is hope of escape.
So when you can liberate one of your own, he has that hope of escape.
And as long as there are still Borg around, there are still enemies to fight.
From the soft-canon perspective there is also the issue with Klag from TNG "A Matter of Honor" who who is a main character in several novels: he found neither the fact that his father had been captured by the Romulans distateful nor the fact he managed to escape.
He was unhappy with the fact that his father chose to stay home and die "like an old woman".
Klag wanted his father to return to duty and reclaim his honor.
So that is indeed possible to do when you survive captivity.
Since when you play a liberated Borg you don't go home to die of old age, but return to duty (or join the KDF after your liberation) so you can continue the fight, I'd say it's well within Klingon behaviour to liberate people from the Borg when they can.
In fact, that is how I play my liberated Borg Klingon character. He was liberated by the Federation when the liberated countless drones. My Liberated Borg had attempted to go down fighting the Borg and was more than a little surprised to discover he had not died. Since his liberation, he created a new name and a new life for himself. I also have a Liberated Borg Klingon officer. I pretend they were liberated under similar circumstances. They now work with others that have had stains against their honor to regain their former glory.
In that case, then: I don't think the Empire would casually throw away the resources that a liberated Klingon might have to bring with them in regards to the fight against the Borg.
Seven of Nine was of great use to Voyager, after all.
In fact, I would wager that the Empire would consider a Warrior who is assimilated but then liberated an asset, and his assistance with developing anti-Borg technologies and tactics to be meritorious service deserving of praise, and redeeming his honor.
But to die a drone, your whole being still tied into the collective, there is no greater dishonor because they'll still have you. All your memories, every fiber of your being will belong to no one but the Borg, and you will never be free. No glory of Sto-vo-kor. Not even Gre'thor can have you. You exist as a cybernetic ghost for eternity.
These Klingons are still warriors, aching to fight at the first opportunity and more powerful than they ever could have been before. They bring a decisive advantage to the Empire and to throw it away and increase their risk of defeat would be foolhardy. There is no honor in defeat if you held back, and no honor in striking down valuable warriors who could easily regain their own.
And that is why they are allowed to serve.
if you are knocked unconsious and then captured it's a dishonor (sourced from birthright) that is not choosing not to die fighting and with the borg if you resist they are more likely to kill than assimilate so i can only assume the klingons who are borg would not be considered to have any honor once liberated as they didnt put enough of a fight for the borg to see killing them a better plan than assimilating them
Someone that is assimilated doesn't get those options. Klingons wouldn't say, "okay, you got me, sign me up for the drone thing." We've seen many examples of people being assimilated in mid-fight. The Borg find a vulnerable spot, inject you with nanoprobes, and you are part of the collective, and not in control of your actions. An assimilated Klingon wouldn't even have the option of going out fighting.
I think assimilation and liberation would be a quandry for Klingons. I don't think it'd be so cut and dried for everyone. An assimilated Klingon likely got that way in the heat of battle. As we saw in at least one instance from Voyager, when that Klingon was liberated, he took the fight to the Borg.
whether another klingon would go to the trouble of freeing them would be another matter. i doubt they would make the effort and just kill them as a drone.
Click on Borg and read the KDF side, that will answear alot of these questions
No Klingon would free an assimilated Klingon, but maybe they would accept a Klingon escaping from the Borg.
Damage the parts connecting a Drone to the Hive, and the drone is free again. An klingon drone, wich got damaged and starts to fight the Borg maybe could collect enough honor to live on after the battle.
Klingon thad got captuered lose their honor, but killing the prison guards is fore sure a good way to get their honor back.
I would prefer Assimilated Orion, because Orion are not intrested in honor but the Syndicate cares for its Members, maybe even enough to free them from the Borg.
Orion would say: thx for the upgrades Borg and now we sell all freed non Orion-Drones on the slave market
Exactly. Because nothing screams "HONOR" as much as attacking your enemy from stealth rather than attacking them head on does..
Klingon 'honor' already leaves a looooooot to be desired and has so many loopholes already, one more loophole with the Liberated Borg situation hardly seems excessive at this point.
I'm not sure that really answered the issue presented here. The Borg have no honor, but it doesn't say anything about the Klingons that emerge from assimilation or whether the Klingon would liberate a Borg.
I don't think it can be said that there is a hard fast rule here. The Klingons may choose to liberate a Borg if it suited them. The Klingons have an honor system, and they are warriors, but that isn't all that they are. If liberating a Borg furthered the ends of the Empire, why wouldn't they do it? They may not choose to try an liberate every Borg, or make it a goal to liberate assimilated the Borg like some in the Federation, but it might be worth their while to liberate a Borg here and there.
HMM, "The Borg are a Plague"
in that case there is nothing wrong with liberating someone I'd say.
Klingons have doctors so they don't kill everyone who's sick and can be cured either.
Liberation would be that cure and a chance to regain any possible lost honor.
Sounds good to me.
On the other hand, Martok was captured during Dominion Wars and with aid of Worf and buddies was able to escape in honorable way. He was even used as Jem'Hadar target dummy during his imprisonment and lost his eye in one fight.
If there is even slight change for escape Klingon needs to try it and that way reclaim his honor.
I don't see any problem with liberated Klingon Borgs. There some occasions Borg when drones have been disconnected from the Borg Collective Mind, check Voyager for those examples.
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Martok
sure escaping a prison could salvage some honor but i dont think there is any way to get yourself out of the colective
So ask yourself, is there honor in it for the warrior if he liberates a drone? Klingon honor has always been far too nebulous for me to say with certainty whether liberating the drone itself would be an honorable act but there will be an increase in strategic intelligence that will make the odds of winning the next battle far more likely and we can all agree the honor upheld by a glorious victory is far sweeter than the honor upheld by dying nobly in defeat.
So, in short, sure they'd liberate the drone, sucks for him if it means he needs to wear the dishonor of being captured.