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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Hi community,

    First off - I am wrong. I apologise for my attitude. It was brought about by a bout of being left to die alone in numerous matches by my team mates or mid-match warp-outs.

    I do not want to be that moaner, and reading over the replies thats clearly what I am seen as. The funny thing is I am not that guy. Sometimes my passions get the better of me.

    So I humbly apologise to all Federation players whether they roll KDF now or in the future. I will always have your back.

    It's cool man, we all hate when that happens. Just... have a cup of tea and a sit down next time.:D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Considering the confusing circumstances upon first entering Qo'Nos... hell the second and third time of entering Qo'Nos! There are going to be few (if any) wannabes making it past Lieutenant.

    The biggest factor against my KDF advancement is not being a PvPer, and I play solo. I suppose that will keep me from spoiling the pure experience of the adverse. ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Rickpa wrote:
    Considering the confusing circumstances upon first entering Qo'Nos... hell the second and third time of entering Qo'Nos! There are going to be few (if any) wannabes making it past Lieutenant.

    The biggest factor against my KDF advancement is not being a PvPer, and I play solo. I suppose that will keep me from spoiling the pure experience of the adverse. ;)

    If you think about it anyone who wants a level 51 klingon is not a wannabe if they put in that time to get one. Its not easy like fed side.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Tyron_Jara wrote:
    If you think about it anyone who wants a level 51 klingon is not a wannabe if they put in that time to get one. Its not easy like fed side.

    I've already said I was sorry. Is it really necessary to continue beating this dear dead horse?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Hi community,

    First off - I am wrong. I apologise for my attitude. It was brought about by a bout of being left to die alone in numerous matches by my team mates or mid-match warp-outs.

    I do not want to be that moaner, and reading over the replies thats clearly what I am seen as. The funny thing is I am not that guy. Sometimes my passions get the better of me.

    So I humbly apologise to all Federation players whether they roll KDF now or in the future. I will always have your back.

    All good, I take back what I posted; you do not fit into this criteria.
    You must have had a really bad day which I can understand.
    Sorry for any offense.:)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Having more players come over to the Empire can only be a good thing.

    If they aren't very good PvPers, doesn't it make more sense to help them learn to be good PvPers, instead of making ridiculing them on the forums? At least they had the courage to come over to the Empire, at least they are trying to PvP.

    We should all respect them, and thank them, for that.

    I can only agree with this.

    Also, to the OP, there seems you also miss the Klingon ship names. I slightly agree, but I feel it's nice to also see English ones. Not everyone speaks or understands Klingon. That said mine is named Vav'o'VeS. It means "Father of War."

    Thank the world for mister Klingon.

    http://www.mrklingon.org/
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    I've klingonised some non Klingon things, my Negh'var is Mjol'nir, which is Thor's hammer, with the Klingon apostrophe in there, and also my Bird of Prey is now Ro'dan (it's previous name was slightly dubious), after Rodan, a large flying monster that was an adversary then ally of Godzilla.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Nice! That is actually a nice idea!

    And just a hint of my real-life name. Give me my hammer back! :D

    And also, back to main topic, shouldn't we actually try to help those who struggle a bit in pvp? Building a stronger pvp foundation and empire (even without Asimov), getting new players. Hasn't this been one of the things we have really wanted to do?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Khern wrote: »
    I can only agree with this.

    Also, to the OP, there seems you also miss the Klingon ship names. I slightly agree, but I feel it's nice to also see English ones. Not everyone speaks or understands Klingon. That said mine is named Vav'o'VeS. It means "Father of War."

    Thank the world for mister Klingon.

    http://www.mrklingon.org/

    Thanks handy, i was wondering how i should name my ship.:D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Thanks handy, i was wondering how i should name my ship.:D

    You are most welcome :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Ah yes the klingon faction: honor and klingon shipnames. The KDF in this game consists of more than just Klingons, sometimes people seem to forget this.

    I never was a big fan of the Fed-Klingon war and none of my KDF characters is actually a Klingon. I always liked the ideals of the Federation and do not really like to destroy Federation ships, still I have KDF characters that I play.

    My Gorn Lt. General is in command of a Gorn ship with a gornish name and a Gorn crew and if there would be a chance to free his people and Klingons have to be slayed for that, he would do it without thinking twice about it. At the moment he is part of the KDF and playes the good boy and I think that's a valid way to play a character in this faction. Not everything has to be klingonised because it has a red UI.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    My Orion, my first KDF character, her naming theme was going with fancy sounding names that had a feel that you could see in a KDF ship crewed by none Klingons.

    IKS Ganos Lal, IKS Dakara, IKS Taranis

    My second character is Alien, posed as a Romulan, a member of the KDF out of revenge and necessity. Her ships have latin sounding names. like her tier 2 cruiser, the IKS Domivaitus.

    I also have a tribble Gorn, but he's named for fun and not taken seriously. When the Gorn update goes live though I'll give him a serious name and serious named ships. Till then on tribble don't look to down on me when if you see an IKS Tokyo or Bust.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Obsidius wrote: »
    That's a great mindset. Have fun ostracizing yourself from players who play both sides of the fence. Goodness forbid anyone actually have fun in this game instead of treating it like the military :p
    If someone gets me and my team killed in PvP because they are playing like a Fed, it's not fun...

    I have no problem losing as long as people work as a team and we do our best. Unfortunately, a lot of Fed players who think they are wicked at PvE don't have a clue about PvP, which is a big chunk of the Klingon faction experience. And they play like that/play like they are on Fed side, meaning they seem to think that just because they have an Uber-awesome ship named EnterpriZe on fed side that ownz NPCs all the time, that Klink side is a cakewalk and they don't need to team in PvP arenas.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Geez, how dense can some people be?

    I want a game with two living factions.

    In order for that to happen, more people need to play KDF. We've already heard that the devs are not going to spend a whole lot of time developing exclusively for KDF because the numbers are not there.

    So when previously Fed players roll a Klingon or a Gorn or otherwise and keep playing it, KDF players should be celebrating. Because it's the only way KDF is going to get content.

    The negative reaction that says, "Drive these pretenders out of MY faction!" is really not helping the cause a whole lot.

    I really do empathize that these players don't get "The Klingon Way". I can't say that I myself am a 'good Klingon'. But I'm willing to learn to be.

    And don't forget this is an MMO. Some people are going to give their characters and ships silly names just because they feel like it... and that is even more visible on the Fed side, if anyone bothers to look. Heck, I gave my first character a silly name and I'm not the least bit ashamed of it.

    So, in closing, if you want a 'pure' KDF faction... you ain't getting it. What you CAN do is to teach the buggers to act like Klingons if they're willing to learn.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    I recently rolled a kling toon during the content drought, And was forced to level by playing feature episodes.
    There really is not a lot of pvp at lower ters any more. Just to get a match i have to waste like 4 to 6 hours for one arena or cap and hold. Where exactly are we so posed to learn the Klingon style of game play, most of the experienced pvp players on the Klingon side are around of VA rank. Most of K v K ques are completely empty most of the times, the only real pvp takes place at higher levels any more.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Not all have left...don't bother the Freds comin to try the Dark Side...
    Once they realize there's 1/5 the amount of content, maybe they'll all voice that to Cryptic and maybe by the time the Game's 2 or 3 years old the Klingons will have something at least close to the content the Feds have now...:D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Whatever has become of the call to bring in new Klingon players? We have a sticky here inviting people to come try out the faction and teaching them. Has this effort stopped?

    It would be a crying shame if, instead of embracing the new players, it becomes custom to ridicule and shun them. I'm happy to see that this was just "spur of the moment" in posting and hope that was made out of anger.

    Are there possibilities to make an Academy fleet perhaps? If you see a player who seems a bit helpless, ping them. "Hey there! That didn't go too well, eh? Say, are you new to your ship/rank/the Klingon faction? There is this fleet we made for new folks to join in so we can show them the ropes a bit, wanna join perhaps? It would be fun to learn with others about...."
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    I believe its a mixture of things. For so long, due to the lack of attention, lack of content, lack of... everything, the KDF has dwindled into a small mostly tight knit community that takes the KDF very seriously. Now with the advent of new things for the starting areas of the KDF and new players who know nothing of what we've been through, or how we've come to operate as an Empire, there's a clashing of old and new ways.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    I believe its a mixture of things. For so long, due to the lack of attention, lack of content, lack of... everything, the KDF has dwindled into a small mostly tight knit community that takes the KDF very seriously. Now with the advent of new things for the starting areas of the KDF and new players who know nothing of what we've been through, or how we've come to operate as an Empire, there's a clashing of old and new ways.

    That is certainly true, but we should never, ever adopt an elitist attitude because of it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    bluegeek wrote: »
    Geez, how dense can some people be?

    I want a game with two living factions.

    In order for that to happen, more people need to play KDF. We've already heard that the devs are not going to spend a whole lot of time developing exclusively for KDF because the numbers are not there.

    So when previously Fed players roll a Klingon or a Gorn or otherwise and keep playing it, KDF players should be celebrating. Because it's the only way KDF is going to get content.

    The negative reaction that says, "Drive these pretenders out of MY faction!" is really not helping the cause a whole lot.

    I really do empathize that these players don't get "The Klingon Way". I can't say that I myself am a 'good Klingon'. But I'm willing to learn to be.

    And don't forget this is an MMO. Some people are going to give their characters and ships silly names just because they feel like it... and that is even more visible on the Fed side, if anyone bothers to look. Heck, I gave my first character a silly name and I'm not the least bit ashamed of it.

    So, in closing, if you want a 'pure' KDF faction... you ain't getting it. What you CAN do is to teach the buggers to act like Klingons if they're willing to learn.

    My intention has been entirely misconstrued from the start - The only three real issues I have ever had are the following:

    1.) While there are serious Klingon players trying to contribute to the Klingon Faction's authenticity and sportsmanship like teaming etc., there are those who seem determined to turn the Klingon faction something that it was not some months ago. Refusal to team, maverick bravado, and deserting team mates that are under fire never happened as much as it is happening now.

    2.) I do have a problem with names or ships and characters when their object is intentionally offensive. I can't name-and-shame some of them, but some are rather graphic in nature. Yes, I'm afraid I have a problem with that.

    3.) There are certain unique things that the KDF have like the scanning of anomaly (yes, you all know the particular instances I am referring too!) that is exploited by Klingon alts of Federation mains. How can I be so sure - well it just takes a search on the Character Database to find out. I too, have a problem with that. On two occasions I have belonged to a fleet that said it was creating a Fed-counterpart and almost overnight all the fleet bank funds and rare items magically disappeared, all the while certain members were constantly logging in and out - the signs were clear as to what they were doing.

    As I have said before, I welcome any player that wants to immerse themselves in KDF. And for the record, as much as I sound like a voice in the desert, I have never said I speak for the KDF as a whole, merely that I know of a number of people that share my views.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    No, no we shouldn't, but there will be frustration I think, with us Oldbies when it comes to the newbies. its just how Klingons are, we get grumpy when we get long in the teeth :p
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    I believe its a mixture of things. For so long, due to the lack of attention, lack of content, lack of... everything, the KDF has dwindled into a small mostly tight knit community that takes the KDF very seriously. Now with the advent of new things for the starting areas of the KDF and new players who know nothing of what we've been through, or how we've come to operate as an Empire, there's a clashing of old and new ways.

    A clashing of old and new ways...
    "the new warriors don't know how hard we had it"...
    This actually sounds rather Klingon. Life imitating art?
    How long did it take Worf to finally convince Alexander to become a "true" Klingon? Not to downplay the situation, but I find it remarkable that this was frequently an issue for the Klingons in the series.

    Remarkable.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    The KDF should be embracing new players. We are all Trek fans here, lets help each other out. Plus, if the KDF numbers dwindle instead of growing, there won't be an increase in Dev resources to build the Empire up.

    I'm pretty sure that's a good incentive on its own.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Salamandus wrote: »
    The KDF should be embracing new players. We are all Trek fans here, lets help each other out. Plus, if the KDF numbers dwindle instead of growing, there won't be an increase in Dev resources to build the Empire up.

    I'm pretty sure that's a good incentive on its own.

    Awesome-ness Avatar! Yes, I welcome the growth in population, always have and always will. But, is it wrong to want it something I am feel pride in being part of?

    Perhaps I should have named the thread something less provoking like - "Honor and the Klingon Empire". If anything, I would take "wannabees" back, it was said in haste.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    WishStone wrote:
    Whatever has become of the call to bring in new Klingon players? We have a sticky here inviting people to come try out the faction and teaching them. Has this effort stopped?

    It would be a crying shame if, instead of embracing the new players, it becomes custom to ridicule and shun them. I'm happy to see that this was just "spur of the moment" in posting and hope that was made out of anger.

    Are there possibilities to make an Academy fleet perhaps? If you see a player who seems a bit helpless, ping them. "Hey there! That didn't go too well, eh? Say, are you new to your ship/rank/the Klingon faction? There is this fleet we made for new folks to join in so we can show them the ropes a bit, wanna join perhaps? It would be fun to learn with others about...."

    I think you'll find that most Klingon players are happy to have new Klingon warriors join the Empire. I don't think this one post is indicative of any such custom to ridicule and shame new players. Please don't judge all of us by the original posting of one player.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    After all, until the Klilngons get their own tutorial, every Klingon started out as a Fed, at least up to Lt 6.
    Tyron_Jara wrote:
    If you think about it anyone who wants a level 51 klingon is not a wannabe if they put in that time to get one. Its not easy like fed side.
    That's a good point. I might have a new goal in STO once Season 4 goes live :)

    Edit: back to a previous point:
    Actually I was told a whole different version of "What I was getting into" by the Devs with the Klingons. Peregrine summed it up nicely and would insult him if I tried to match it. You should give it a read.
    To premise: Peregrin_Falcon and I have a history that goes way back to our previous game, which was also started by Jack Emmert. We disagree on many things.

    His thread's closed now, but I will say this: I learned a long time ago not to take developer posts at face value. Back in my previous game, a lot of us blamed developers (and one jackalope in particular) for "promises" they didn't keep. But in the end, I realized that nothing is promised until it's being shaken down on a public test server, because Production schedules and priorities change all the time. That's all I want to say on the subject, since it ended up causing a lot of flames and trolling on Peregrine's thread.

    That's not to say I don't think the KDF should have their own, independent starting experience. I always thought it a little wonky to have an unlockable faction. I know that will be fixed in the (hopefully) near future. I know the devs also have plans to keep introducing more KDF content.

    Perhaps it's thing like this that will increase overall interest in the KDF. I hope so - I think there's a lot of storytelling that can happen with the KDF! And if PvE interest in the KDF increase, PvP numbers should shore up too :) And then the vet players can embrace new KDF PvP players and show them the ropes ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Let me get this straight, OP,

    Because players aren't playing the way YOU want, it means the Klingon Empire is going down the tubes? When were you appointed Chancellor? If Fedballs want to make a KDF toon, that's their right. Just like it's their right to name their captains, ships, & Boffs anything they want (so long as it doesn't violate game policies). And they can certainly run PvP any way they see fit. STO is STILL just a game.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    You might want to read the rest of the thread to catch up on the discussion.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Obsidius wrote: »
    After all, until the Klilngons get their own tutorial, every Klingon started out as a Fed, at least up to Lt 6.


    That's a good point. I might have a new goal in STO once Season 4 goes live :)

    Edit: back to a previous point:

    To premise: Peregrin_Falcon and I have a history that goes way back to our previous game, which was also started by Jack Emmert. We disagree on many things.

    His thread's closed now, but I will say this: I learned a long time ago not to take developer posts at face value. Back in my previous game, a lot of us blamed developers (and one jackalope in particular) for "promises" they didn't keep. But in the end, I realized that nothing is promised until it's being shaken down on a public test server, because Production schedules and priorities change all the time. That's all I want to say on the subject, since it ended up causing a lot of flames and trolling on Peregrine's thread.

    That's not to say I don't think the KDF should have their own, independent starting experience. I always thought it a little wonky to have an unlockable faction. I know that will be fixed in the (hopefully) near future. I know the devs also have plans to keep introducing more KDF content.

    Perhaps it's thing like this that will increase overall interest in the KDF. I hope so - I think there's a lot of storytelling that can happen with the KDF! And if PvE interest in the KDF increase, PvP numbers should shore up too :) And then the vet players can embrace new KDF PvP players and show them the ropes ;)

    Thanks - though my original post (which you quoted) should in all fairness have got me a ...tion. I know that the devs are working hard and intimately are aware of their constraints and implementations. I myself am a developer so I should be far more understanding. Perhaps its the single greatest cause of my bias!

    I have also repeatedly state in this thread that I would have said things differently, but it seems that people are simply latching onto what they want to.

    I will repeat it again though for emphasis: DO I think that Cryptic are doing their best? Absolutely. Do I think they could do more? Of course, that's the purpose of challenging oneself and having dreams. Do I want Fed players rolling KDF? Yes, I have already stated that if they embrace the Klingon faction's player base and contribute to that experience I am all for it. Do I think that players have a right to name themselves and ships whatever they want? Of course - again I said that I made a rash decision in the initial posting. As long as they abide by the names that are not offensive to anyone.

    Please - before the next person shoots me down, just take the time to read the whole thread. If I still offend you at the end of it, then I don't know that more can be said, and it would better if the moderators simply closed this thread. Maturity, is having the willingness to stand before your peers and admit ones mistalkes.

    And one last word. I have repeated laid myself on the line for something I cherish - playing STO. I'm more than just a fan. How many others are willing to do the same?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    2.) I do have a problem with names or ships and characters when their object is intentionally offensive. I can't name-and-shame some of them, but some are rather graphic in nature. Yes, I'm afraid I have a problem with that.

    I believe you can report these people, especially if their names violate the rules or are not PG-13
    3.) There are certain unique things that the KDF have like the scanning of anomaly (yes, you all know the particular instances I am referring too!) that is exploited by Klingon alts of Federation mains. How can I be so sure - well it just takes a search on the Character Database to find out. I too, have a problem with that. On two occasions I have belonged to a fleet that said it was creating a Fed-counterpart and almost overnight all the fleet bank funds and rare items magically disappeared, all the while certain members were constantly logging in and out - the signs were clear as to what they were doing.

    Actually, I find this being exploited mostly by gold farmers who don't speak English. I don't really do farming myself, but I WILL get in their face when I see them and annoy them by competing with them. You can tell who they are. They have names like "DHGUW" or "twyui", and they are all level 6. When you try to ask how they are doing, they reply with statements that don't make sense.
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