I am against this idea. I too bought this game because it was advertised with a full Klingon faction. I have no desire to play Fed. If they scrap the KDF I will expect a LTS refund x2, one for my and one for me.
If it was scrapped this is what I would expect. I also expect people (Mr DStahl) to do what they "said" they would do. Sooner than later. I paid to play a game HOW I CHOOSE to play it. Equally, fairly and with the same intentions/rewards for BOTH sides of the game.:(
I enjoy the content my Fed characters have acces to, and I've enjoyed the stories; but I play for the diversity and the chance to play as the KDF (even if I'm not playing an actual Klingon) is far more interesting than playing as a Fed. Like other posters, I paid for a game that advertised 2 fully fleshed-out factions, which we did not get. I stick around because what we did get I could entertain myself with, and being an MMO vet I'm well aware that no MMO comes out exactly perfect. STO had a much larger hole than others, but the graphics and the scope of what was intended for the game was enough to have me subscribe.
Scrap the KDF? Yeah, I'd quit. I'd lose out on playign with both my very enjoyable Feds, but that'd be one of the biggest (if not THE biggest) betrayal from a game company I'd ever have experienced. I refuse to give any money to a company that would treat any portion of its clientele and fanbase like that.
Personally, I would point out that in canon, the Klingons have been both enemies and allies of the Federation. During the TNG time period, there is nothing that would go against the idea of this post. Despite the fact that you don't normally have Federation captains buying up and flying around in Klingon ships, or Klingon captains buying up and flying around in Federation ships, there were plenty of episodes where they worked together.
OTOH, in game there would be little that could be done to maintain the "separation" between the factions. Missions in Federation sectors would be treating you like a Federation captain, and missions in Klingon sectors would be treating you like a Klingon. This would completely blur the line between the two factions, and render both non-canon. And the sudden switch from war to peace would be jarring. If the game had started out that way, it might have worked out, but not now.
However, my thoughts on the matter are that in some way this might be where the devs are going. Not in combining the two factions, but in combinng the factions' territory. The Klingons will be able to go into Federation space and run missions, and one would thing that would imply the opposite, that Fed captains will be able to do some of the Klingon missions. At the extremes, this would blur the lines between factions, but if this is the intention, I'm hoping that what the devs are planning is that the contacts will respond to you differently depending on your faction.
That is, even though both Federation and Klingons will be able to do the same missions, as with the Featured Episodes, they put the Federation or Klingon "spin" on it. If the devs can do this, I'll be fine with it, although honestly even in the Featured Episodes they make some charactization mistakes. In some cases, they could even make the missions totally different, although for efficiency they may leave most of them pretty much the same, with only dialog differences.
If this is the case, then the problem becomes only the cosmetic discrepancies between the factions. The content problem is not as important, although for many KDF players is could be considered a cop-out. As I've said before, though, I'd rather have the content than not have it, no matter how many costumes or ships the KDF gets.
I can understand why you are proposing to scrap KDF.
Since I don't do PvP and focus on RP, KDF became less than interesting. Few enjoyable missions to do RP runs, only 2 faction maps in addition to Defera and Drozana, while FEDs get ESD, Vulcan, Andoria, Risa, K7, SB39, DS9, all KFD clothing consists of somewhat similar pieces set to use only ugly dark colors. (except race clothing from Nausicaan and Orion)
Unless there are tons of new missions and some open environments like Ketha province to hunt wild Tarqs, KDF remains the unwanted step-child of STO.
Personally, I would point out that in canon, the Klingons have been both enemies and allies of the Federation. During the TNG time period, there is nothing that would go against the idea of this post. Despite the fact that you don't normally have Federation captains buying up and flying around in Klingon ships, or Klingon captains buying up and flying around in Federation ships, there were plenty of episodes where they worked together.
So I get the feeling from this post that, while not necessarily in favor of the idea, you're neutral towards it and would not quit if this came to be? Would your own play experience be improved by the availability of previously faction restricted resources?
I can understand why you are proposing to scrap KDF.
Since I don't do PvP and focus on RP, KDF became less than interesting. Few enjoyable missions to do RP runs, only 2 faction maps in addition to Defera and Drozana, while FEDs get ESD, Vulcan, Andoria, Risa, K7, SB39, DS9, all KFD clothing consists of somewhat similar pieces set to use only ugly dark colors. (except race clothing from Nausicaan and Orion)
So then you, as a primarily PVE focused Federation player could you see any drawbacks to your own play experience from this? Would you find that you enjoy taking advantage of the previously faction restricted assets?
If they merge the two factions what would be the point of playing? You can already play a Federation Klingon so why have a Klingon faction that is not separate?
It makes no since to me. I left the game for almost 300 days when they screwed the Klingon's over about a year ago and would do the same again if they were to destroy this faction again. I play 99% of my time on Klingon side. I only play Fed side to see what they have that I don't and since there is more content on Fed side I can learn new tactics and how to defeat them for the Klingon side.
Personally this would kill the game for me. 90% of the time I'm in Ker'rat and enjoy pestering the feds but since they destroyed our edge of being able to take any damage and took away many many different weapons and changed the game to give the Feds all the bells and whistles it's becoming a pathetic game.
At one point I was able to kill 400 fed players in Ker'rat in 1 day and died only 7 times. No we didn't have a I win button but the ship could actually cause damage then instead of shooting a tank that never dies and eventually slowly even with you having full shields kills you.
Again I'm tempted to just stop my subscription and go back to an old Star Trek game and say to heck with wasting $15 per month to just get piffed off that a bop that can't kill without almost being killed itself.
All in all if they are NOT willing to fix it then heck yeah just get rid of the Klingon faction cause it only causes more anger. Just expect to loose at least 1 subscription (lol I can hear feds rejoice). And to think that the sides must be balanced is just pure stupidity since it was NEVER balanced in any of the movies.
I personally think Cryptic had it right at the start but have just screwed the Klingons to the point of almost no return. Good luck and hope you see that anger runs high for many but my anger is not in any way directed tword you but instead at the Cryptic team.
Interesting, so I assume you're against the idea but as for the other questions raised, how would you as a player respond if this occurred and what effect do you think this would have on the game as a whole?
The game itself will see a drop in subscribers. Most people care more about canon than I and I expect many people will have a more violent reaction. Will the entire KDF side of the game walk out though? How many Federation players walk out aswell?
The cons are obvious so I'll start there, loss of faction diversity in terms of storyline and content. Loss of an authentic Star Trek feel. Loss of that competitive 'us versus them' mentality that drives human interaction. Combining of the factions could kill, or at least lessen the priority of adding additional Klingon themed missions, even more than we see right now. It can be seen as an insult to the faith, frustration, and patience shown by those who stuck with this half faction since Beta. It will create greater exposure to jerks playing exclusively on the Federation side. Put the future of any new factions in a tenuous place. You weigh these cons on the scale of your own judgment and decide how big an impact this will have, mention more or elaborate on the ones you feel passionate about.
I play Klingon pretty much exclusively. I think the factions should be able to cross team for any episode both factions have, as well as STF's & PVP. Do not allow fed players in Klingon ships, or Klingon faction players in Fed ships. keep some faction specific content.Let me keep my red UI. Blue gives me a headache.
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If it was scrapped this is what I would expect. I also expect people (Mr DStahl) to do what they "said" they would do. Sooner than later. I paid to play a game HOW I CHOOSE to play it. Equally, fairly and with the same intentions/rewards for BOTH sides of the game.:(
I enjoy the content my Fed characters have acces to, and I've enjoyed the stories; but I play for the diversity and the chance to play as the KDF (even if I'm not playing an actual Klingon) is far more interesting than playing as a Fed. Like other posters, I paid for a game that advertised 2 fully fleshed-out factions, which we did not get. I stick around because what we did get I could entertain myself with, and being an MMO vet I'm well aware that no MMO comes out exactly perfect. STO had a much larger hole than others, but the graphics and the scope of what was intended for the game was enough to have me subscribe.
Scrap the KDF? Yeah, I'd quit. I'd lose out on playign with both my very enjoyable Feds, but that'd be one of the biggest (if not THE biggest) betrayal from a game company I'd ever have experienced. I refuse to give any money to a company that would treat any portion of its clientele and fanbase like that.
OTOH, in game there would be little that could be done to maintain the "separation" between the factions. Missions in Federation sectors would be treating you like a Federation captain, and missions in Klingon sectors would be treating you like a Klingon. This would completely blur the line between the two factions, and render both non-canon. And the sudden switch from war to peace would be jarring. If the game had started out that way, it might have worked out, but not now.
However, my thoughts on the matter are that in some way this might be where the devs are going. Not in combining the two factions, but in combinng the factions' territory. The Klingons will be able to go into Federation space and run missions, and one would thing that would imply the opposite, that Fed captains will be able to do some of the Klingon missions. At the extremes, this would blur the lines between factions, but if this is the intention, I'm hoping that what the devs are planning is that the contacts will respond to you differently depending on your faction.
That is, even though both Federation and Klingons will be able to do the same missions, as with the Featured Episodes, they put the Federation or Klingon "spin" on it. If the devs can do this, I'll be fine with it, although honestly even in the Featured Episodes they make some charactization mistakes. In some cases, they could even make the missions totally different, although for efficiency they may leave most of them pretty much the same, with only dialog differences.
If this is the case, then the problem becomes only the cosmetic discrepancies between the factions. The content problem is not as important, although for many KDF players is could be considered a cop-out. As I've said before, though, I'd rather have the content than not have it, no matter how many costumes or ships the KDF gets.
Since I don't do PvP and focus on RP, KDF became less than interesting. Few enjoyable missions to do RP runs, only 2 faction maps in addition to Defera and Drozana, while FEDs get ESD, Vulcan, Andoria, Risa, K7, SB39, DS9, all KFD clothing consists of somewhat similar pieces set to use only ugly dark colors. (except race clothing from Nausicaan and Orion)
Unless there are tons of new missions and some open environments like Ketha province to hunt wild Tarqs, KDF remains the unwanted step-child of STO.
So I get the feeling from this post that, while not necessarily in favor of the idea, you're neutral towards it and would not quit if this came to be? Would your own play experience be improved by the availability of previously faction restricted resources?
So then you, as a primarily PVE focused Federation player could you see any drawbacks to your own play experience from this? Would you find that you enjoy taking advantage of the previously faction restricted assets?
It makes no since to me. I left the game for almost 300 days when they screwed the Klingon's over about a year ago and would do the same again if they were to destroy this faction again. I play 99% of my time on Klingon side. I only play Fed side to see what they have that I don't and since there is more content on Fed side I can learn new tactics and how to defeat them for the Klingon side.
Personally this would kill the game for me. 90% of the time I'm in Ker'rat and enjoy pestering the feds but since they destroyed our edge of being able to take any damage and took away many many different weapons and changed the game to give the Feds all the bells and whistles it's becoming a pathetic game.
At one point I was able to kill 400 fed players in Ker'rat in 1 day and died only 7 times. No we didn't have a I win button but the ship could actually cause damage then instead of shooting a tank that never dies and eventually slowly even with you having full shields kills you.
Again I'm tempted to just stop my subscription and go back to an old Star Trek game and say to heck with wasting $15 per month to just get piffed off that a bop that can't kill without almost being killed itself.
All in all if they are NOT willing to fix it then heck yeah just get rid of the Klingon faction cause it only causes more anger. Just expect to loose at least 1 subscription (lol I can hear feds rejoice). And to think that the sides must be balanced is just pure stupidity since it was NEVER balanced in any of the movies.
I personally think Cryptic had it right at the start but have just screwed the Klingons to the point of almost no return. Good luck and hope you see that anger runs high for many but my anger is not in any way directed tword you but instead at the Cryptic team.
Interesting, so I assume you're against the idea but as for the other questions raised, how would you as a player respond if this occurred and what effect do you think this would have on the game as a whole?
I play Klingon pretty much exclusively. I think the factions should be able to cross team for any episode both factions have, as well as STF's & PVP. Do not allow fed players in Klingon ships, or Klingon faction players in Fed ships. keep some faction specific content.Let me keep my red UI. Blue gives me a headache.