I thought I'd support a game that seemed to be heading in a good direction, dumbest thing I think I've done when it came to this game (LTS might have been dumber).
People have been buying on impulse and gotten broadsided by a new sale since sales existed, and surely they've all been rather mad about it.
All I can tell you is suck it up and don't let it bug you too much. You had no way of knowing a sale was on the horizon. On the bright side, if this becomes an annual thing, you can plan for it next time.
I am quite tired of it being called an impulse buy.
I didn't just buy it whenever it hit me, I took several days, calculations and considering based on there pattern. Everything pointed to it not being on the next sale and certainly not as a limited time offer.
There will not be a next time because I'm NEVER buying or recommending anything from Cryptic ever again, I will warn people against them.
I've gotten better treatment for products out of warranty from Microsoft then Cryptic.
Cryptic is well within their right to treat customers as mere garbage to suck for money, but it dies affect them. It's why they are small and why they will stay small.
I'm gonna get C-Store stuff next year for free in a year or two when it goes F2P.
Imagine going to the supermarket to buy some toilet paper, then the next week the supermarket has a sale on toilet paper for $2 off.
Let me guess, you immediately run to the supermarket and complain to the manager that you got ripped off last week because you bough toilet paper at regular price and they didn't notify you of an upcoming sale. :rolleyes:
Imagine going to the supermarket to buy some toilet paper, then the next week the supermarket has a sale on toilet paper for $2 off.
Let me guess, you immediately run to the supermarket and complain to the manager that you got ripped off last week because you bough toilet paper at regular price and they didn't notify you of an upcoming sale. :rolleyes:
Actually, a lot of stores offer partial refunds for buying an item, then it very soon going on sale.
Many moons ago, just after the launch of the C-Store I bought a boat load of points. I already had the LTS from prelaunch, and I wanted to support the game. Seemed like a great idea.
Then, I reached max level on my first character before the first two weeks were done. Granted, I was on vacation most of that time (actually, I probably was "sick") and logged more hours than I probably would have in the next month or so if I'd worked normally.
I dealt with the spectacular lack of Klingon content and randomly leveled up said Klingon, only finishing off the General ranks when Exploration clusters opened for them. That probably accounted for about 3 months of sporadic playing.. maybe an hour a day during that period. (Averaging in the 11 hour long grindfest of completing all the STF's once the borg bits came out and the mind numbing failed attempts before that)
Since then I've probably spent around 2 weeks, playing around randomly on other characters.
How much time have I actually, really, used... about 5 months.
Would I have cancelled my account during the periods of inactivity? Yes. Most definitely.
Would I be paying for this month? No.
Next month? No.
When the next feature episode series started up? Yes. Those have been awesome.
Am I losing money? Technically, yes. $260 / $15 per month comes out to something around 17 months. I've had the subscription since launch... and I've only played for around 5 of the 12 months. Most of my "preorder" and LTS 'perks' are now in the C-Store, or were added as Veteran Rewards. (Where are the 500 day rewards, Cryptic?)
I bought the TOS Bundle when it was released with my AP surplus... and ran around exploring it for about an hour. That accounted for my entire play time for last month. I wouldn't have bought it if it hadn't said "limited time only." And I would have waited if I'd known it was going to be on sale right away... like I waited for the other high value items to be.
Does this break Cryptic's previous sales pattern? Yes.
Do people have a right to be angry? Yes. They're people. You can't please all of them. Deal with it.
But, here's my point:
Am I mad? No... but I'm not exactly happy either. The points I bought, and the money I paid for my Life Time Sub are a sunk cost. I would have ended up buying the TOS Interior anyway... and the points I didn't spend would probably have gone to some useless uniform set I'd never use.... like 7 of 9s, just for the boots.
So, my females will just do without stiletto boots. Not very practical in combat situations anyway.
In a few years, when the feature episodes start to stack up, and when the foundry has received gallons of polish... I might have broken even on my investment. Until then, I can log in and mess around when ever I want... and I can wait. I paid for it.
if you had bought Atari Points on a Monday, then on Tuesday that same amount of points was $3.00 cheaper...would you be here complaining about that?
I mean, ultimately, that is what this comes down to. Things are worth what people will pay for them, no more and no less.
If you buy points and I buy points we pay the same amount for them. You had to drop a few more on something that I got for a few less. That is, honestly, just business.
There was mention of sale coming in April, several posts on the forums about it. Honestly, you should have waited to see if they put it on sale. You assumed they wouldn't, even I assumed it wouldn't be due to past sales, but assumption is a dangerous thing....because sometimes your assumptions are wrong.
Shouldn't you have waited to see if it was going to be on sale first? You didn't know about the sale? Why not do some reading of the forums every once in a while? You have surely spent enough time in this thread, so obviously you have the time to do so.
If you want to be honest, you have no one to blame but yourself here. Sure, Cryptic broke the pattern by putting it on sale, but you could have waited to see. I'm sorry you feel ripped off. I'm sorry you aren't happy, but I don't think anyone is to blame here but you. Cryptic never said it wouldn't go on sale. You assumed it wouldn't...YOUR assumptions led to your own dismay.
Why does this set still include the uniforms? When it said it's a limited offer that states buy now or miss out putting it on sale including the uniforms is pretty poor. I bought it knowing it would be on sale but believing when it did it wouldn't include the uniforms. That way buying it when I did would be the best deal. Especially since all other sales don't include the latest item.Yeah it's only a few bucks but the principle is that Cryptic can't be trusted.
They said originally that the the few items going into C-Store was because the staff wasnt big enough to make them as the Subs was very few so they had to pay somepone else to make it.
BUT
They now say the Subs are very very healthy, so there excuse is NOT valid anymore.
So tell us , why are you still adding even the littlist thing into the C-Store!
They say the Sub are great now, so prove it stop adding to the STORE!
More lies? pure greed now? We dont want C-store for months then a update with a few bug fixes that break other things,
Enough Store now please as in your own words the subs are now fine.
While I sympathize with your frustration, I do have to agree, it's not as if they set out to maliciously cheat you out of $3.60 and specifically abuse you. If anything, putting the TOS pack on sale was a NICE thing of them to do. You really shouldn't be ripping them apart for it.
I think what you need to understand is that microtransactions (on games, on our cell phones, on Facebook) are all about the psychology of the impulse buy. Same reason stuff is priced at 99 cents or 97 cents if you shop at Wal-Mart instead of the psychological threshold of $1.00. Make the purchases small enough where people won't miss it.
You just got caught in bad timing. It happens to EVERYONE from time to time. We miss out on coupons, limited time offers, awesome freebies. How do you think people across America feel on Black Friday when the item they got up early to get is sold out?
But abandoning a $300 lifetime subscription over a missed $3.60 discount just doesn't make any sort of mathematical sense, especially when numerous folks paid full price for preorder items that are now on C-Store, the Delta Flyer people bought before it became craftable, the 5 referrals you had to do to get the Galaxy-X before it came to the C-Store, not to mention the various and ridiculously overpriced ships like the Guramba and, well, the Galaxy-X.
I think you just need to be patient, keep an eye out for upcoming US holidays. I guarantee this won't be the last sale you miss. But I encourage you to put down the "I'm a victim" picket sign, write this one off and move on with your life. I guarantee you'll be much happier and forget all about it in a few months
They said originally that the the few items going into C-Store was because the staff wasnt big enough to make them as the Subs was very few so they had to pay somepone else to make it.
BUT
They now say the Subs are very very healthy, so there excuse is NOT valid anymore.
So tell us , why are you still adding even the littlist thing into the C-Store!
They say the Sub are great now, so prove it stop adding to the STORE!
More lies? pure greed now? We dont want C-store for months then a update with a few bug fixes that break other things,
Enough Store now please as in your own words the subs are now fine.
You could always do a search and read about how the c-store works, who actually works on it and so on
My biggest beef with the C-Store is how massive it is getting for a P2P game.
If they made more stuff earnable in game (reasonably), I would be fine with it.
This I can agree with. The sheer amount of TRIBBLE shoved into the store is getting ludicrous. Yes, other games have MT stores as well, but most of them (outside of F2P and hybrid games) don't have a list so large that you have to scroll down several pages to find what you're looking for.
Well I think I feel your pain. I did manage to score my lifetime subscription on sale but with the way things have been going I'm not entirely sure that I got such a great deal anymore. You win some and you lose some I guess .
I'm not abandoning the game (since I gain nothing by doing that, nor do they lose anything), I'm just not giving them any more support (no purchases, no buying another Cryptic product again) and when people ask me what I think of STO I will tell them my honest feelings.
This I can agree with. The sheer amount of TRIBBLE shoved into the store is getting ludicrous. Yes, other games have MT stores as well, but most of them (outside of F2P and hybrid games) don't have a list so large that you have to scroll down several pages to find what you're looking for.
I'm not a fan of all the items they have, it to many in my view. I'm not saying that I don't want content but I also won't spend that amount of money at this time. As the game is P2P with added Pay more its you want it.
They said originally that the the few items going into C-Store was because the staff wasnt big enough to make them as the Subs was very few so they had to pay somepone else to make it.
BUT
They now say the Subs are very very healthy, so there excuse is NOT valid anymore.
So tell us , why are you still adding even the littlist thing into the C-Store!
They say the Sub are great now, so prove it stop adding to the STORE!
More lies? pure greed now? We dont want C-store for months then a update with a few bug fixes that break other things,
Enough Store now please as in your own words the subs are now fine.
I'm sure they're factoring in the C-Store when they say sales are great.
They want to create grinds as a C-Store alternative. They've made progress with that.
But this game is based around two C-Store releases a month. I don't think that will change if people buy them.
I'm not abandoning the game (since I gain nothing by doing that, nor do they lose anything), I'm just not giving them any more support (no purchases, no buying another Cryptic product again) and when people ask me what I think of STO I will tell them my honest feelings.
I had some gift money come in and a friend who has gotten a bit interested in the game, and I was just starting to consider changing my opinion bout how they did stuff (since Stahl was making such an awesome game) and then this.
So, I'm not only not buying anything, but I'm advising him to wait on the game, possibly not buy it.
There are some circumstances in which the buyer has no way to confirm whether an item works at the time of purchase, other than the seller's own confirmation. This is true of pretty much all online purchases. Now, I do agree that if you choose to buy something online you are taking a risk. However, I do not agree that risk = your fault. Every time you get in the car you are taking a risk, but that does not mean it is always your fault if you get in an accident.
You know stating astute and obvious things doesn't make you wise. But you are right and also wrong, but in the end the its up to the company to actually say "ok we messed up" but it is not the obligation of the company to do so, and the company is actually protected buy the law in this regard. But is is good business sense to do so. All I was stating is that it is useless to complain. And in the case of a car the law is different because the product can lead to a situation of death. With the product being a simple transaction the law is way different.
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Because he wanted to support the game?
He even said so....
I thought I'd support a game that seemed to be heading in a good direction, dumbest thing I think I've done when it came to this game (LTS might have been dumber).
People have been buying on impulse and gotten broadsided by a new sale since sales existed, and surely they've all been rather mad about it.
All I can tell you is suck it up and don't let it bug you too much. You had no way of knowing a sale was on the horizon. On the bright side, if this becomes an annual thing, you can plan for it next time.
I didn't just buy it whenever it hit me, I took several days, calculations and considering based on there pattern. Everything pointed to it not being on the next sale and certainly not as a limited time offer.
There will not be a next time because I'm NEVER buying or recommending anything from Cryptic ever again, I will warn people against them.
I've gotten better treatment for products out of warranty from Microsoft then Cryptic.
Cryptic is well within their right to treat customers as mere garbage to suck for money, but it dies affect them. It's why they are small and why they will stay small.
I'm gonna get C-Store stuff next year for free in a year or two when it goes F2P.
That doesn't change the fact that you're on a ridiculous crusade against Cryptic and the C-Store because you have bad timing.
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Let me guess, you immediately run to the supermarket and complain to the manager that you got ripped off last week because you bough toilet paper at regular price and they didn't notify you of an upcoming sale. :rolleyes:
Actually, a lot of stores offer partial refunds for buying an item, then it very soon going on sale.
It's quite common.
No, because
1) I bought it pre-launch for $240
and
2) It didn't go on sale for $240 for several months, if they had put the TOS bundle on the next sale I wouldn't have had an issue.
Then, I reached max level on my first character before the first two weeks were done. Granted, I was on vacation most of that time (actually, I probably was "sick") and logged more hours than I probably would have in the next month or so if I'd worked normally.
I dealt with the spectacular lack of Klingon content and randomly leveled up said Klingon, only finishing off the General ranks when Exploration clusters opened for them. That probably accounted for about 3 months of sporadic playing.. maybe an hour a day during that period. (Averaging in the 11 hour long grindfest of completing all the STF's once the borg bits came out and the mind numbing failed attempts before that)
Since then I've probably spent around 2 weeks, playing around randomly on other characters.
How much time have I actually, really, used... about 5 months.
Would I have cancelled my account during the periods of inactivity? Yes. Most definitely.
Would I be paying for this month? No.
Next month? No.
When the next feature episode series started up? Yes. Those have been awesome.
Am I losing money? Technically, yes. $260 / $15 per month comes out to something around 17 months. I've had the subscription since launch... and I've only played for around 5 of the 12 months. Most of my "preorder" and LTS 'perks' are now in the C-Store, or were added as Veteran Rewards. (Where are the 500 day rewards, Cryptic?)
I bought the TOS Bundle when it was released with my AP surplus... and ran around exploring it for about an hour. That accounted for my entire play time for last month. I wouldn't have bought it if it hadn't said "limited time only." And I would have waited if I'd known it was going to be on sale right away... like I waited for the other high value items to be.
Does this break Cryptic's previous sales pattern? Yes.
Do people have a right to be angry? Yes. They're people. You can't please all of them. Deal with it.
But, here's my point:
Am I mad? No... but I'm not exactly happy either. The points I bought, and the money I paid for my Life Time Sub are a sunk cost. I would have ended up buying the TOS Interior anyway... and the points I didn't spend would probably have gone to some useless uniform set I'd never use.... like 7 of 9s, just for the boots.
So, my females will just do without stiletto boots. Not very practical in combat situations anyway.
In a few years, when the feature episodes start to stack up, and when the foundry has received gallons of polish... I might have broken even on my investment. Until then, I can log in and mess around when ever I want... and I can wait. I paid for it.
if you had bought Atari Points on a Monday, then on Tuesday that same amount of points was $3.00 cheaper...would you be here complaining about that?
I mean, ultimately, that is what this comes down to. Things are worth what people will pay for them, no more and no less.
If you buy points and I buy points we pay the same amount for them. You had to drop a few more on something that I got for a few less. That is, honestly, just business.
There was mention of sale coming in April, several posts on the forums about it. Honestly, you should have waited to see if they put it on sale. You assumed they wouldn't, even I assumed it wouldn't be due to past sales, but assumption is a dangerous thing....because sometimes your assumptions are wrong.
Shouldn't you have waited to see if it was going to be on sale first? You didn't know about the sale? Why not do some reading of the forums every once in a while? You have surely spent enough time in this thread, so obviously you have the time to do so.
If you want to be honest, you have no one to blame but yourself here. Sure, Cryptic broke the pattern by putting it on sale, but you could have waited to see. I'm sorry you feel ripped off. I'm sorry you aren't happy, but I don't think anyone is to blame here but you. Cryptic never said it wouldn't go on sale. You assumed it wouldn't...YOUR assumptions led to your own dismay.
Cheers.
You can believe whatever you want and yell it at others but that don't make it right.
They said originally that the the few items going into C-Store was because the staff wasnt big enough to make them as the Subs was very few so they had to pay somepone else to make it.
BUT
They now say the Subs are very very healthy, so there excuse is NOT valid anymore.
So tell us , why are you still adding even the littlist thing into the C-Store!
They say the Sub are great now, so prove it stop adding to the STORE!
More lies? pure greed now? We dont want C-store for months then a update with a few bug fixes that break other things,
Enough Store now please as in your own words the subs are now fine.
My biggest beef with the C-Store is how massive it is getting for a P2P game.
If they made more stuff earnable in game (reasonably), I would be fine with it.
I think what you need to understand is that microtransactions (on games, on our cell phones, on Facebook) are all about the psychology of the impulse buy. Same reason stuff is priced at 99 cents or 97 cents if you shop at Wal-Mart instead of the psychological threshold of $1.00. Make the purchases small enough where people won't miss it.
You just got caught in bad timing. It happens to EVERYONE from time to time. We miss out on coupons, limited time offers, awesome freebies. How do you think people across America feel on Black Friday when the item they got up early to get is sold out?
But abandoning a $300 lifetime subscription over a missed $3.60 discount just doesn't make any sort of mathematical sense, especially when numerous folks paid full price for preorder items that are now on C-Store, the Delta Flyer people bought before it became craftable, the 5 referrals you had to do to get the Galaxy-X before it came to the C-Store, not to mention the various and ridiculously overpriced ships like the Guramba and, well, the Galaxy-X.
I think you just need to be patient, keep an eye out for upcoming US holidays. I guarantee this won't be the last sale you miss. But I encourage you to put down the "I'm a victim" picket sign, write this one off and move on with your life. I guarantee you'll be much happier and forget all about it in a few months
You could always do a search and read about how the c-store works, who actually works on it and so on
This I can agree with. The sheer amount of TRIBBLE shoved into the store is getting ludicrous. Yes, other games have MT stores as well, but most of them (outside of F2P and hybrid games) don't have a list so large that you have to scroll down several pages to find what you're looking for.
I'm not abandoning the game (since I gain nothing by doing that, nor do they lose anything), I'm just not giving them any more support (no purchases, no buying another Cryptic product again) and when people ask me what I think of STO I will tell them my honest feelings.
Long time ago I made a post, with a question "what is cryptic doing to ensure my money". Answer is, nothing. One way or the other.
I'm not a fan of all the items they have, it to many in my view. I'm not saying that I don't want content but I also won't spend that amount of money at this time. As the game is P2P with added Pay more its you want it.
I'm sure they're factoring in the C-Store when they say sales are great.
They want to create grinds as a C-Store alternative. They've made progress with that.
But this game is based around two C-Store releases a month. I don't think that will change if people buy them.
im also goin to be doin the same thing
Yeah, the timing was just really bad for this.
I had some gift money come in and a friend who has gotten a bit interested in the game, and I was just starting to consider changing my opinion bout how they did stuff (since Stahl was making such an awesome game) and then this.
So, I'm not only not buying anything, but I'm advising him to wait on the game, possibly not buy it.
There are some circumstances in which the buyer has no way to confirm whether an item works at the time of purchase, other than the seller's own confirmation. This is true of pretty much all online purchases. Now, I do agree that if you choose to buy something online you are taking a risk. However, I do not agree that risk = your fault. Every time you get in the car you are taking a risk, but that does not mean it is always your fault if you get in an accident.