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There's a lot of stuff I'd like to pick up from the C-Store but its a little pricey (I DID cave and buy the TOS pack though). It would be nice if, as an incentive for those of us lifers, we got like free monthly atari points or something like that. For The Lord of the Rings Online, they do exactly that for those of us who are lifers for that game, we get like 400 points for their store every month. Would be nice to see something like that done with STO as a bonus for buying the lifetime sub. Especially since the original items we got for subscribing are now available via C-Store.
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LOTRO and Champions do that for lifers as well as those who pay a subscription; however those games have gone to F2P and this game has not. I am a lifer and I paid for a subscription for the life of the game. Until this game goes F2P, I don't see them awarding a stipend for lifers nor do I expect it.
I already have what I paid for and that did not include a stipend.
That is actually one of the neat things in LotRO right now. Normally you earn 5 to 10 points per deed(LOtRO's accolades), some of the bigger are worth 20.
My all time highest point earning at one time was 70 when I finished my final reputation grind, it filled out 3 or 4 deeds at once, plus I got the "world renowned" title and the horse. That was a very fun and exciting moment in my personal gaming history.
I do like the idea of giving a couple points for certain accolades, though. It awards EVERYONE, not just those with "blue names".
Please provide prove
For the folks who ppurchased an LTS when they were first offered; nope, not yet thy aren't. At $290 a pop and the base sub price of $15.00 a month; they won't start 'loosing money' until Sept. 2011 (or 19 months post STO launch - which was Feb. 2010.)
For those that purchased later; it's 19 months aftyer whatever their purchase date; and for those that did it during a 20% off sale (like they're having now) - it's 16 and 1/2 months from the time of purchase.
So, I won't be a 'Freeloader' until sometime in Sept. 2011.
Later than that, since getting the money up-front had a higher NPV than getting it over time.
More importantly, when the OP talks about 'incentive', incentive to do what?
A) All the people who without a LTS wouldn't have stayed on this long
C) All the people who might have subbed for a bit, then left and maybe come back from time to time
D) All the people who are more inclined to buy C-Store stuff
Because that changes the numbers a bit
I'd be cool with free points for lifers, but I know people wouldn't like it so I say Vets should get some.
$ as currency are you based in the USA?
I'm based in london:
For me the cost of the game £44.95 via D2D the DDE ( current EX rate ) which included a 1 month SUB (that I didn't fully get the use of). Add £212.64 ( current EX rate ) for the life time SUB which was a limited time offer back in Jan/Feb 2010, that I paid for 14 days after my D2D DDE payment.
We also have to pay VAT in the EU when buying the SUB or points for c-store items. At present the monthly SUB is £8.99 + VAT in the UK.
I to have brought C store items.
Will most people play this for 1,2,3+ years? at what point does a LTS player start gaining over monthly SUB
Its down to how long people are willing to pay the monthly SUB to play the game or buys the LTS after choosing to do so.
Each has good and bad points (just going listing a few below)
Good:
A monthly SUB player can leave before spending more than the cost of the LTS, an only needs to pay for what they used.
A LTS player can benefit from a average monthly cost would be much lower, than paying monthly if they play for several years.
Bad:
A monthly SUB player could also pay more that the cost LTS in months to come, if they stay on that payment option for 16 to 20+ months.
A LTS player could leave and never play the game before 16 to 20+ months is up and thus, an average cost per month is more than a monthly SUB cost over time.
Thinking that people wouldn't stay if they weren't lifers is YOUR opinion. I have 10 fleet mates who pay monthly and have subbed since day one. They recently said they wished they'd gotten the LTS, they didn't think they stay this long. They got one during the last sale, but they already paid over a year's worth of subs by then.
Why should YOU get a few free points for being a lifer and the people who paid for a years worth of subs shouldn't? In effect, even if they pay for a lifetime sub now they paid more than you have. I know if it was you, you'd feel "ripped off", as your other thread proves.
I have a LTS at champions, and I rarely play anymore. I'm waiting for new content since most of my friends migrated here. I wish I could use those points there for STO stuff. I truly don't understand why we can't sinec all the money goes to Cryptic either way.
Still, I don't feel like I am owed anything here. I could have paid for two years in advance at a discount rate, which is essentially what an LTS is, except you never have to pay again when it runs out. But it takes a hell of a lot longer to get a return on your investment than just paying for a year. If I quit tomorrow, I hurt no one but myself. You are already getting a huge bonus being an LTS player anyway, why should you get more? You are no more special than a monthly sub, who for the same amount of time will pay much more than you.
While I think that there will of course be some LTSers that Cryptic is "losing money over" there are also many they have gained more from. So, it could go either way.
I just think that without taking those other factors into account, the conclusion seems flawed.
From the example above: a long term player of other MMOs that only offers monthly SUB + other possible costs. Could spend hundreds or thousands for their SUB.
I've played MMO's that are F2P with item mails.
Silk Road is one. Due to the large amounts of EXP needed to level many turned to bots (but not me I played legit via hand grinding). Gold sellers, cheaters, hackers, scammers, spammers made the game unplayable for me and others in the end.
Me and other friends that played also used mail items. I could spend between 250 to 500+ silk per 4 weeks (4 weeks = 13 per year, monthly = 12 per year). The limit per 4 weeks for any account was 3000 silk and some players reached that limit :eek:
10 silk = $1.
The game operators offered very little customer support to the point of no support in 99.9% of cases. I played between 5 to 35 hours a week and over the years; I was active and used mail items to help my leveling. I didn't cap my 1 char in that time. The servers were so bot infested that in most cases with out a premium ticket (200 or 290 silk) it could take hours to login. After seeing how much F2P games with no support could cost I made the move to P2P.
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STO offers different options: LTS and monthly SUB. For the me the LTS is much better value, for others it may not be.
Like I said: Each has good and bad points. With many different possible outcomes
I'm in the same boat towards the accolade points. Each accolade has a point value already, so why not give us an Atari point bonus as well (maybe half the accolade point value? - since people could grind out lots of points on multiple toons and have alot of points to spend in the store off full value. My RA toon has over 4100 points and he is still not fully completed). I love that system on LOTRO (gratz on the world renowned btw Chompo) and it helps to keep people around to complete that sort of stuff (thereby increasing sub revenues), which is sometimes a grind, while giving them an award other than "bragging rights".
I also agree that lifers and subs should get a monthly bonus of Atari points, BUT not unless/until the game goes F2P. It wasn't implemented until that point in LOTRO and its a good incentive for people to sub. I know quite a few people that I have gotten into LOTRO and subsequent referrals from those people who F2P and grind deeds to afford extra perks from the Turbine Store. A similar system could very easily be put into place here if the game goes F2P.
GM's will be here soon with there shovels.
Not if they treated them as at cost subs (which they should have, treating it as an investment in creating a stable community), in which case they should have covered lifers' server expenses for 5-6 years.