I am, however, really turned off by the C-Store - it seems the devs are very interested in only advertising the stuff that is on there. Everytime I see a new bit of news at login, its about something I cannot get in game, but have to pay extra money for.
My advice to the devs: tone it down. It's irritating to see you so blatantly trying to soak your players for more money.
Yeah, I know there's a million threads about this. Yeah, I know its unlikely to have an effect. At the same time, it might need to be said again and again to change it.
My major issue with it is just how expensive it is. But thats mainly due to an extra 20% of tax on top that cryptic can't afford to absorb. But thats another matter.
You may have joined at a bad moment. When the weekly series are on, the attention is diverted towards these and the c-store gets ignored for a bit. There'll probably be mostly c-store advertisement over the next few weeks as there isn't any major content till season 4 as far as I'm aware and then all of the news/advertisement/attention will be diverted to that.
I do agree there needs to be a bit more attention on other things, I think there could have been a bigger deal made out of the foundry release, I think it was a day or two after release that it appeared in the news and on the calendar, but that might have been to give players time to get some content on there. But it could have been accompanied by a special event or something, I mean, it is a really big, great addition to the game.
If you need a hand finding things in game, don't hesitate to mail or message.
I am, however, really turned off by the C-Store - it seems the devs are very interested in only advertising the stuff that is on there. Everytime I see a new bit of news at login, its about something I cannot get in game, but have to pay extra money for.
My advice to the devs: tone it down. It's irritating to see you so blatantly trying to soak your players for more money.
Yeah, I know there's a million threads about this. Yeah, I know its unlikely to have an effect. At the same time, it might need to be said again and again to change it.
i sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo agree whit you on every thing you just said
Deal with it, honestly. The people who work on C-Store items are NOT the same people who work on content. The C-store is helping to pay the people who work on content, and content is going to gradually speed up down the pipeline. Everyone who whines about the c-store sounds the same. If you don't like it, don't spend your money on it.
STO is making more money than ever before, which means they are able to hire new employees. More employees means meeting deadlines and getting things out faster and more efficiently. Getting things out faster and more efficiently means we are all happy.
Another thing to consider: How many MMOs put out weekly content? How many MMO's have five-part featured missions? At all? Featured missions that cryptic has already said were going to increase in frequency from four or five a year to NINE OR TEN? You do the math on that, that's five missions a month, for ten months. Is that going to be enough content for you?
Seriously, Cryptic spoils us. And you guys just keep on whining for more content.
Do I think Klink side needs more missions? Of course I do. But it's coming. We have to be more patient. Do I think the ground combat is a bit borked and needs a retool? Of course I do. But it's coming. We have to be more patient. Do I think we need more endgame content than 5 STFs? Of course I do. But it's coming. We have to be more patient. In the mean time, I'll keep making my c-store purchases and enjoying the awesome content we already have.
STO is making more money than ever before, which means they are able to hire new employees. More employees means meeting deadlines and getting things out faster and more efficiently. Getting things out faster and more efficiently means we are all happy.
Soon they will outnumber the crew of a Starbucks and we can have the game and coffee, too!
Another thing to consider: How many MMOs put out weekly content? How many MMO's have five-part featured missions? At all? Featured missions that cryptic has already said were going to increase in frequency from four or five a year to NINE OR TEN? You do the math on that, that's five missions a month, for ten months. Is that going to be enough content for you?
Seriously, Cryptic spoils us. And you guys just keep on whining for more content.
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i can name a hek of a lot most MMO's most mmo's call them chain quest most mmos have more then this hole game has dun in a yr and thats even for NEW MMO TO and cryptic spoils us lmao maybe ppl whit a bank of endles money ive been whit this game sences open beta and have left this game alot why you may ask i will tell ya why get to VA end of game!
The C-store is the cryptic store not the STO store.
Now alot of people are into micro transactions and they are every where on every game you play
Lets list a few on all consoles
Uhmm Where to start
Ok
Cod Black Ops
PS3
Xbox
Wii
All Add on packs and other items are in there store
Now another lets see
Lord of the rings has a store (pc)
Now lets see
Mafia wars
farmville
poker
These are all on facebook and have micro transactions
when you turn on any console or pc we are always flooded with news about offers and items we can buy for the games we play this is part of life and its the same when you buy a dvd or a cd even a car.
I understand it Fustrates people but really if you do not like it move on to the game or the next page I do
I do not think this is true. It may have been at some point, but not any longer.
Then you're incorrect. dstahl has posted multiple times (in the past few months mind you) That his team works MAYBE 10% on c-store products. The rest can be either worked on by other teams or out sourced.
Then you're incorrect. dstahl has posted multiple times (in the past few months mind you) That his team works MAYBE 10% on c-store products. The rest can be either worked on by other teams or out sourced.
Then I am not incorrect that 10% still accounts for time spent on c-store items rather than the game itself.
Then I am not incorrect that 10% still accounts for time spent on c-store items rather than the game itself.
With such a small dev team, 10% is alot.
Hardly.
10% of say a team of 100 is 10 people.
Now take into consideration they are not working on the c-store 10hrs a day, 5 days a week you cut that number down to what...maybe 1 person at any given time is working on c-store? If that.
Now take into consideration they are not working on the c-store 10hrs a day, 5 days a week you cut that number down to what...maybe 1 person at any given time is working on c-store? If that.
Really it's not all that high of an amount.
That reasoning is very subjective.
10% of 1 pound is 10 pence.
10% of 1 million pound is 100,000.
10% of 1 billion pound is... well I need not go on.
The C-store is the cryptic store not the STO store.
Now alot of people are into micro transactions and they are every where on every game you play
Lets list a few on all consoles
Uhmm Where to start
Ok
Cod Black Ops
PS3
Xbox
Wii
All Add on packs and other items are in there store
Now another lets see
Lord of the rings has a store (pc)
Now lets see
Mafia wars
farmville
poker
These are all on facebook and have micro transactions
when you turn on any console or pc we are always flooded with news about offers and items we can buy for the games we play this is part of life and its the same when you buy a dvd or a cd even a car.
I understand it Fustrates people but really if you do not like it move on to the game or the next page I do
Interesting, one of the things I feel obligated to point out is that none of those require a subscription.
The C-store is the cryptic store not the STO store.
Now alot of people are into micro transactions and they are every where on every game you play
Lets list a few on all consoles
Uhmm Where to start
Ok
Cod Black Ops
PS3
Xbox
Wii
All Add on packs and other items are in there store
Now another lets see
Lord of the rings has a store (pc)
Now lets see
Mafia wars
farmville
poker
These are all on facebook and have micro transactions
when you turn on any console or pc we are always flooded with news about offers and items we can buy for the games we play this is part of life and its the same when you buy a dvd or a cd even a car.
I understand it Fustrates people but really if you do not like it move on to the game or the next page I do
lord of the rings online is FREE TO PLAY and ask for what elss you name is console gameing not MMORPG's gameing
and also lotro you can get there store point IN GAME and not have to buy them and ppl that pay for the game get 500 every month
I am, however, really turned off by the C-Store - it seems the devs are very interested in only advertising the stuff that is on there. Everytime I see a new bit of news at login, its about something I cannot get in game, but have to pay extra money for.
My advice to the devs: tone it down. It's irritating to see you so blatantly trying to soak your players for more money.
Yeah, I know there's a million threads about this. Yeah, I know its unlikely to have an effect. At the same time, it might need to be said again and again to change it.
hey, thts a good question. why is it in most mmo's the gear u get is from boss drops or rare trashmob drops, but in sto we get jack for free? i love the game for space pvp, but i always end up saying to myself " why so money grubbing? are these guys fly by night mmo tht will be offline in a year and the lifetimers are shafted? why does sto charge a monthly fee only to charge 20 $$$ for a ship in c store? sure u can grind the emblems( have fun doing dailies for the next month or so ), but is the multi vector or dreadnaught even worth the effort? i payed money for the multivector and only use it because i spent the cash on it and dont want to see my money go to waste.
i dont see alot of folks playing this game in a year because of poor planning on sto part. good game, bad game. take ur pick. i dont care if people disagree with tht, but its true. STOP with the C-store, or dont charge a monthly fee, or alot of the folks at sto will be in for a rude awakening when they see mobs of players leaving sto for WOW or another game tht gives you more freedom to do what you want.
Atari are the only one who try to charge a 4 dollar "extended download fee" when you try to download the game via their page. That is the relationship they try to set to you from the very beginning.
Then you come here and find the cstore, while the quality hardly
matches what else is out there.
Maybe that is why your sales are so low.....
who knows?
Strange dealings in anyway.
PS. I googled Atari and apparently they were delisted from the NASDAQ index, because they could not raise enough money.
Lapin doesn't appear to be getting a raise with this new position, but don't weep for him too much: his current compensation package includes "an annual fixed gross compensation of 400,000 [or nearly $585,000] and an annual variable compensation, subject to the achievement of performance criteria, up to 200,000," as well as 900,000 stock options.
"We will launch our second MMO game - Star Trek Online -- in February 2010," Lapin said in the announcement. "I am excited to take on these new responsibilities at this important time and look forward to developing Atari's strategy to bring the company back to profitability."
And as for "a bank of endles money," sorry buddy, I have a part time job, my wife has a full time minimum wage job, we have a low income, rent, phone, internet, power, and water to pay, and I'm still able to buy Atari Tokens. Know how? BUDGETING. a game that's fully playable and enjoyable without this purchasable content. If you want the stuff, save up for it, wait for a sale, or budget yourself a monthly allotment of Atari Tokens. It's not Cryptic's fault you don't want to plan with your money.
dude i have like 300$ to blow every month last month got a new Gcard this month got me a iPhone 4
and ask for my and i "whining and crying" i have a right to do sooooooo you dont like dont say any thing about it cuz you said one thing bout your self this probly only MMO RPG you have played if not dont realy care
why cuz im sick of something that sould be in the game all rdy and FOR FREE i have to buy and FYI i do have that much money to blow but only ones a month and stop trying to tell me WHAT TO DO you dont own me
and you may like there Cstore dont mean the hole player base DOSE
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You may have joined at a bad moment. When the weekly series are on, the attention is diverted towards these and the c-store gets ignored for a bit. There'll probably be mostly c-store advertisement over the next few weeks as there isn't any major content till season 4 as far as I'm aware and then all of the news/advertisement/attention will be diverted to that.
I do agree there needs to be a bit more attention on other things, I think there could have been a bigger deal made out of the foundry release, I think it was a day or two after release that it appeared in the news and on the calendar, but that might have been to give players time to get some content on there. But it could have been accompanied by a special event or something, I mean, it is a really big, great addition to the game.
If you need a hand finding things in game, don't hesitate to mail or message.
i sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo agree whit you on every thing you just said
STO is making more money than ever before, which means they are able to hire new employees. More employees means meeting deadlines and getting things out faster and more efficiently. Getting things out faster and more efficiently means we are all happy.
Another thing to consider: How many MMOs put out weekly content? How many MMO's have five-part featured missions? At all? Featured missions that cryptic has already said were going to increase in frequency from four or five a year to NINE OR TEN? You do the math on that, that's five missions a month, for ten months. Is that going to be enough content for you?
Seriously, Cryptic spoils us. And you guys just keep on whining for more content.
Do I think Klink side needs more missions? Of course I do. But it's coming. We have to be more patient. Do I think the ground combat is a bit borked and needs a retool? Of course I do. But it's coming. We have to be more patient. Do I think we need more endgame content than 5 STFs? Of course I do. But it's coming. We have to be more patient. In the mean time, I'll keep making my c-store purchases and enjoying the awesome content we already have.
Soon they will outnumber the crew of a Starbucks and we can have the game and coffee, too!
i can name a hek of a lot most MMO's most mmo's call them chain quest most mmos have more then this hole game has dun in a yr and thats even for NEW MMO TO and cryptic spoils us lmao maybe ppl whit a bank of endles money ive been whit this game sences open beta and have left this game alot why you may ask i will tell ya why get to VA end of game!
I do not think this is true. It may have been at some point, but not any longer.
Now alot of people are into micro transactions and they are every where on every game you play
Lets list a few on all consoles
Uhmm Where to start
Ok
Cod Black Ops
PS3
Xbox
Wii
All Add on packs and other items are in there store
Now another lets see
Lord of the rings has a store (pc)
Now lets see
Mafia wars
farmville
poker
These are all on facebook and have micro transactions
when you turn on any console or pc we are always flooded with news about offers and items we can buy for the games we play this is part of life and its the same when you buy a dvd or a cd even a car.
I understand it Fustrates people but really if you do not like it move on to the game or the next page I do
Then you're incorrect. dstahl has posted multiple times (in the past few months mind you) That his team works MAYBE 10% on c-store products. The rest can be either worked on by other teams or out sourced.
Then I am not incorrect that 10% still accounts for time spent on c-store items rather than the game itself.
With such a small dev team, 10% is alot.
10% of say a team of 100 is 10 people.
Now take into consideration they are not working on the c-store 10hrs a day, 5 days a week you cut that number down to what...maybe 1 person at any given time is working on c-store? If that.
Really it's not all that high of an amount.
That reasoning is very subjective.
10% of 1 pound is 10 pence.
10% of 1 million pound is 100,000.
10% of 1 billion pound is... well I need not go on.
Lets just agree to disagree
Fair enough
Interesting, one of the things I feel obligated to point out is that none of those require a subscription.
I agree that it is the double dipping is what most people find infuriating about the c-store.
lord of the rings online is FREE TO PLAY and ask for what elss you name is console gameing not MMORPG's gameing
and also lotro you can get there store point IN GAME and not have to buy them and ppl that pay for the game get 500 every month
hey, thts a good question. why is it in most mmo's the gear u get is from boss drops or rare trashmob drops, but in sto we get jack for free? i love the game for space pvp, but i always end up saying to myself " why so money grubbing? are these guys fly by night mmo tht will be offline in a year and the lifetimers are shafted? why does sto charge a monthly fee only to charge 20 $$$ for a ship in c store? sure u can grind the emblems( have fun doing dailies for the next month or so ), but is the multi vector or dreadnaught even worth the effort? i payed money for the multivector and only use it because i spent the cash on it and dont want to see my money go to waste.
i dont see alot of folks playing this game in a year because of poor planning on sto part. good game, bad game. take ur pick. i dont care if people disagree with tht, but its true. STOP with the C-store, or dont charge a monthly fee, or alot of the folks at sto will be in for a rude awakening when they see mobs of players leaving sto for WOW or another game tht gives you more freedom to do what you want.
Then you come here and find the cstore, while the quality hardly
matches what else is out there.
Maybe that is why your sales are so low.....
who knows?
Strange dealings in anyway.
PS. I googled Atari and apparently they were delisted from the NASDAQ index, because they could not raise enough money.
PPS: http://www.joystiq.com/2009/12/11/atari-ceo-david-gardner-steps-down-jeff-lapin-steps-up/
Lapin doesn't appear to be getting a raise with this new position, but don't weep for him too much: his current compensation package includes "an annual fixed gross compensation of 400,000 [or nearly $585,000] and an annual variable compensation, subject to the achievement of performance criteria, up to 200,000," as well as 900,000 stock options.
"We will launch our second MMO game - Star Trek Online -- in February 2010," Lapin said in the announcement. "I am excited to take on these new responsibilities at this important time and look forward to developing Atari's strategy to bring the company back to profitability."
dude i have like 300$ to blow every month last month got a new Gcard this month got me a iPhone 4
and ask for my and i "whining and crying" i have a right to do sooooooo you dont like dont say any thing about it cuz you said one thing bout your self this probly only MMO RPG you have played if not dont realy care
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why cuz im sick of something that sould be in the game all rdy and FOR FREE i have to buy and FYI i do have that much money to blow but only ones a month and stop trying to tell me WHAT TO DO you dont own me
and you may like there Cstore dont mean the hole player base DOSE