This is a very serious problem that the Klingon's face ... and when they get here the Romulans will also face it (or any other factions that might get added). Star Trek was a Federation-centric show. Only the Feds were in every episode, everyone else came and went. And because of that there's mountains of Fed stuff for every Klink or Romy ship / uniform / what have you.
So it's kind of imperative to get what little there is in cannon into the game. Past that though Cryptic's art team can go crazy (and I highly encourage them to do just that).
Here's an idea. Why not allow species specific skins for ships? We already have frigate, cruiser, and battleship versions of Orion, Nausican and Gorn vessels, why not allow them to be used by the races in question, using the lower versions at the low tiers instead of only getting a 'battleship' ship skin once you hit admiral?
This way there's something unique to the KDF side that can be added with a minimum of additional artwork assets.
It will be even worse or at least a hell lot of harder to do for crytic. Besides the Federation the Klingon Empire is the most developed Organisation in Star Trek complete with own developed language which even some real people actually speak. Even if you put Romulans and Cardassians together you won't have half the amount of canon source material which you have with the klingons.
KDF at least needs the ability to select what species their ship is from, even if that's the only difference (same consoles, weapons slots, BOff stations, but different look). It would probably be the easiest from the dev's perspective.
Z
Yes but I must mention that historically the Klingon Empire would sell older model KDF vessels to thier more loyal subject and ally races. So it is not unusual to see an alien (affiliated with the KDF) flying a KDF vessel at times or having some in thier own racial fleet.
This is not to say that I still believe that the Nausicians, Gorn and Orions need more vessels to represent them and flesh out the missing vessel classes that do not exist now for them.
It will be even worse or at least a hell lot of harder to do for crytic. Besides the Federation the Klingon Empire is the most developed Organisation in Star Trek complete with own developed language which even some real people actually speak. Even if you put Romulans and Cardassians together you won't have half the amount of canon source material which you have with the klingons.
Then its time to pull outside of just hard canon and go to the novels, ga,es and what-not that exist that does help flesh out the missing info and use common sense if any is used in STO to fill in any missing pieces of an otherwise lesser known race and society.
Cryptic has admitted that their previous works were not "up to scratch" and why they have a reputation as a medicore developer, I believe this was stated when they announced the NWN game. In all honesty, the Neverwinter franchise is in ruins after Obsidian's attempt at following in BioWares footsteps (again), yet the Star Trek franchise, even after years of butchering and ham-handed attempts to cash in still remains strong.
In my opinion, working on STO would reap far more reward then trying to bring NWN back to life. Using that money to make a purpose built engine for STO so they can open up the 3D space combat and add that TPS aspect for ground combat. Take the designers from that project and use them to flesh out the bare-bones that is the Klingon's, actually make them a true faction rather then the current ad hoc excuse for PvP.
Once both sides are roughly equal then the interesting things can happen, sector warfare, planet control and raids into enemy territory. These things can't be put in game with the huge population imbalance, yes the Fed side will always be more popular but there are people, like myself, who favour the aggresive style of the Klingons.
All we need is a faction, not a fraction.
the funny thing is that, according to cryptic, it never occured to them until after the game was shipped and the reviews came in that they didn't do a good job. They all seemed suprised and defeated. Nobody thought maybe it was unreleaseable before they were told that it was.
Now cryptic asks us to trust them with NW (which will only have only a few races and classes at launch (HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhAAAAAAA)) and to improve STO enough and that they have 'learned thier lesson'.
Cryptic countered with "We did STO in 1 1/2 years with little resources", thinking that somehow people would change peoples minds. IMHO, it seems irrelevant.
Cryptics statements since release concerning the KDF are meager excuses.
IMO they didn't realized the requirements of a Star Trek MMO and hoped that the KDF would be overlocked.
This backfired and now they have angry and resentfull KDF community and many many Fed whiners against any form of KDF progress. This progress was homegrown and will haunt STO untill the day it will shutdown or the KDF will receive their deserved content.
The KDF will get everything equal to the Federation, and it will release exactly 24 hours before the server shuts down for good. That way they can always claim they gave everything players asked for.
The next season update better be loaded with KDF goodness. I mean, the armor and kits have to show. Missions fleshed out better, some new ones included. MOre ship designs, better cosmetic options for uniforms.
it better be filled with enough stuff to get the KDF players to actually say, "whoa!" Keanu Reeves style.
If not...might as well call the KDF quits now. It's so barren lately that a single PvP match takes 3 days to get into. No reason for us to stick around when we keep getting our cracks sandpapered by each new update.
The KDF will get everything equal to the Federation, and it will release exactly 24 hours before the server shuts down for good. That way they can always claim they gave everything players asked for.
The next season update better be loaded with KDF goodness. I mean, the armor and kits have to show. Missions fleshed out better, some new ones included. MOre ship designs, better cosmetic options for uniforms.
it better be filled with enough stuff to get the KDF players to actually say, "whoa!" Keanu Reeves style.
If not...might as well call the KDF quits now. It's so barren lately that a single PvP match takes 3 days to get into. No reason for us to stick around when we keep getting our cracks sandpapered by each new update.
I think I laughed so hard I peed myself...that really makes me wary...lol...anyway...
I heard nothing of them saying that kits would be showing on uniforms. To tell you the truth, they better release the KDF goodness when season 4 goes live...I mean to tell you the truth, the goodies we were supposed to receive wen 3 came out didn't make it until a couple of weeks after, then it was meh...then after that the ships came out how long later?...I mean it's nice to keep the feds happy but cutting off your nose to spite your face is not a good business model.
I will be happy with a few additions to the KDF side. This is what I will be looking for:
1. Gorn customization-goes live at launch of season 4 (not a few weeks later)
2. KDF uniform customization, I'd like to make my KDF toons look more like ST3 Klinks in their uniforms (This I hope also goes live w/ season 4 launch)
3. Veteran reward added to the 80's big shoulder pads already in-game- when season 4 goes live
4. Fix the shoulderpads to look like they do in the series and movies. I mean really it looks terrible from the side.. Do they have pics of KDF toons from the side? Take a look at them and then the movies..they look nothing alike, and look terrible from the side...I hope this as well releases at season 4 launch.
For me, everything else is gravy...although I am still miffed that they released the Nausicaan ship for 850 emblems...I mean really?..... -.-
I think I laughed so hard I peed myself...that really makes me wary...lol...anyway...
I heard nothing of them saying that kits would be showing on uniforms. To tell you the truth, they better release the KDF goodness when season 4 goes live...I mean to tell you the truth, the goodies we were supposed to receive wen 3 came out didn't make it until a couple of weeks after, then it was meh...then after that the ships came out how long later?...I mean it's nice to keep the feds happy but cutting off your nose to spite your face is not a good business model.
I will be happy with a few additions to the KDF side. This is what I will be looking for:
1. Gorn customization-goes live at launch of season 4 (not a few weeks later)
2. KDF uniform customization, I'd like to make my KDF toons look more like ST3 Klinks in their uniforms (This I hope also goes live w/ season 4 launch)
3. Veteran reward added to the 80's big shoulder pads already in-game- when season 4 goes live
4. Fix the shoulderpads to look like they do in the series and movies. I mean really it looks terrible from the side.. Do they have pics of KDF toons from the side? Take a look at them and then the movies..they look nothing alike, and look terrible from the side...I hope this as well releases at season 4 launch.
For me, everything else is gravy...although I am still miffed that they released the Nausicaan ship for 850 emblems...I mean really?..... -.-
Sooo... the majority of your season 4 desires rests soley upon 'shoulder pads'...?
Hmmm... I think some extra missions and filler content might be nice first. Right now a couple of my Klingons are mired in Cmdr 3, because in order to get them any higher I would have to grind pvp (not possible anymore) or replayable missions... ugh, no thanks. There are HUGE gaps in content that prevent a smooth progression between each rank.
Besides... female skirt options... THAT is something that needs to be put into the KDF!
I have given the this some thought and here it is:
I want armor and outfits to look like the KISS greatest hits album.
I want the boot, armor, and face paint.
I even want my Auto Targeting Assault to be shaped like a Fender. That way when I have it in the low carry postions and fire, a music gliff can play, "I want to rock-n-roll all night" as the feds die.
Pretty sure the highlighted one would violate the ESRB. They ruled the open jacket cleavage was too much for a Teen rating, and that one looks pretty cleavy. It is a sad state of affairs.
Z
so the open jacket violates the ESRB, but the orions did not, that's a bit odd but sadly not surprising...
so the open jacket violates the ESRB, but the orions did not, that's a bit odd but sadly not surprising...
ESRB ratings are determined by having three people look at the content in question and judge where it falls, i.e. teen, mature.. etc.
So what rating something gets is pretty subjective. It all comes down to which three people are in the room that day. Apparently we had three sticklers the day open-jacket uniforms got reviewed. And three pretty easy going types when orion slave girls went through.
So I say, send in the Klingon cleavage. Worse that can happen is they say no and we end up where we are right now.
Pretty sure the highlighted one would violate the ESRB. They ruled the open jacket cleavage was too much for a Teen rating, and that one looks pretty cleavy. It is a sad state of affairs.
Z
Still I don't see why we couldn't get as close to it as possible under ESRP rules, a dress with a deep-ish v-neck. At least we'd finally have some off-duty wear for someone in the KDF to put in the clearly marked off-duty slot.
Still I don't see why we couldn't get as close to it as possible under ESRP rules, a dress with a deep-ish v-neck. At least we'd finally have some off-duty wear for someone in the KDF to put in the clearly marked off-duty slot.
I agree. With Cryptic's recent experience with the open jacket they should know exactly what they can get away with. More KDF costume options are always good.
Since it's taking so long to get my Gorn improvements, I'd settle for being able to put him in an Orion slave girl outfit until/ if they release the improvements.
Since it's taking so long to get my Gorn improvements, I'd settle for being able to put him in an Orion slave girl outfit until/ if they release the improvements.
Since it's taking so long to get my Gorn improvements, I'd settle for being able to put him in an Orion slave girl outfit until/ if they release the improvements.
And please scale down the current "standard" shoulder pads, please. They are way too big. I have managed to create a uniform that looks a lot like the standard uniform we saw on TV but there a few items missing: fingerless gloves, smaller shoulder pads, black collar, knee high boots, small leather "sash" across the chest and disruptor holster. Getting the right colour for the pants (light reddish brown) was not easy.
I think perhaps if we were creative enough, we might be able to design how it would look on the NPC's or such in a foundry mission, and tell them come look at our cool mission...it sure would be nice to have these type of things added to our uniforms or options.....
Ugh, I know!~ It was a letdown to realize after half of a year away from the game there's absolutely no new uniform options for my KDF character.
As a whole, we need more hairstyles, too. Not just for KDF, either. Especially long hair styles for women, there's tons of short ones and few long ones, and the ones we have aren't terribly interesting.
Ugh, I know!~ It was a letdown to realize after half of a year away from the game there's absolutely no new uniform options for my KDF character.
As a whole, we need more hairstyles, too. Not just for KDF, either. Especially long hair styles for women, there's tons of short ones and few long ones, and the ones we have aren't terribly interesting.
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It will be even worse or at least a hell lot of harder to do for crytic. Besides the Federation the Klingon Empire is the most developed Organisation in Star Trek complete with own developed language which even some real people actually speak. Even if you put Romulans and Cardassians together you won't have half the amount of canon source material which you have with the klingons.
Yes but I must mention that historically the Klingon Empire would sell older model KDF vessels to thier more loyal subject and ally races. So it is not unusual to see an alien (affiliated with the KDF) flying a KDF vessel at times or having some in thier own racial fleet.
This is not to say that I still believe that the Nausicians, Gorn and Orions need more vessels to represent them and flesh out the missing vessel classes that do not exist now for them.
Then its time to pull outside of just hard canon and go to the novels, ga,es and what-not that exist that does help flesh out the missing info and use common sense if any is used in STO to fill in any missing pieces of an otherwise lesser known race and society.
the funny thing is that, according to cryptic, it never occured to them until after the game was shipped and the reviews came in that they didn't do a good job. They all seemed suprised and defeated. Nobody thought maybe it was unreleaseable before they were told that it was.
Now cryptic asks us to trust them with NW (which will only have only a few races and classes at launch (HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhAAAAAAA)) and to improve STO enough and that they have 'learned thier lesson'.
Cryptic countered with "We did STO in 1 1/2 years with little resources", thinking that somehow people would change peoples minds. IMHO, it seems irrelevant.
IMO they didn't realized the requirements of a Star Trek MMO and hoped that the KDF would be overlocked.
This backfired and now they have angry and resentfull KDF community and many many Fed whiners against any form of KDF progress. This progress was homegrown and will haunt STO untill the day it will shutdown or the KDF will receive their deserved content.
The next season update better be loaded with KDF goodness. I mean, the armor and kits have to show. Missions fleshed out better, some new ones included. MOre ship designs, better cosmetic options for uniforms.
it better be filled with enough stuff to get the KDF players to actually say, "whoa!" Keanu Reeves style.
If not...might as well call the KDF quits now. It's so barren lately that a single PvP match takes 3 days to get into. No reason for us to stick around when we keep getting our cracks sandpapered by each new update.
I think I laughed so hard I peed myself...that really makes me wary...lol...anyway...
I heard nothing of them saying that kits would be showing on uniforms. To tell you the truth, they better release the KDF goodness when season 4 goes live...I mean to tell you the truth, the goodies we were supposed to receive wen 3 came out didn't make it until a couple of weeks after, then it was meh...then after that the ships came out how long later?...I mean it's nice to keep the feds happy but cutting off your nose to spite your face is not a good business model.
I will be happy with a few additions to the KDF side. This is what I will be looking for:
1. Gorn customization-goes live at launch of season 4 (not a few weeks later)
2. KDF uniform customization, I'd like to make my KDF toons look more like ST3 Klinks in their uniforms (This I hope also goes live w/ season 4 launch)
3. Veteran reward added to the 80's big shoulder pads already in-game- when season 4 goes live
4. Fix the shoulderpads to look like they do in the series and movies. I mean really it looks terrible from the side.. Do they have pics of KDF toons from the side? Take a look at them and then the movies..they look nothing alike, and look terrible from the side...I hope this as well releases at season 4 launch.
For me, everything else is gravy...although I am still miffed that they released the Nausicaan ship for 850 emblems...I mean really?..... -.-
Sooo... the majority of your season 4 desires rests soley upon 'shoulder pads'...?
Hmmm... I think some extra missions and filler content might be nice first. Right now a couple of my Klingons are mired in Cmdr 3, because in order to get them any higher I would have to grind pvp (not possible anymore) or replayable missions... ugh, no thanks. There are HUGE gaps in content that prevent a smooth progression between each rank.
Besides... female skirt options... THAT is something that needs to be put into the KDF!
I want armor and outfits to look like the KISS greatest hits album.
I want the boot, armor, and face paint.
I even want my Auto Targeting Assault to be shaped like a Fender. That way when I have it in the low carry postions and fire, a music gliff can play, "I want to rock-n-roll all night" as the feds die.
That is what I want in a new Klink outfit....
ESRB ratings are determined by having three people look at the content in question and judge where it falls, i.e. teen, mature.. etc.
So what rating something gets is pretty subjective. It all comes down to which three people are in the room that day. Apparently we had three sticklers the day open-jacket uniforms got reviewed. And three pretty easy going types when orion slave girls went through.
So I say, send in the Klingon cleavage. Worse that can happen is they say no and we end up where we are right now.
LOL! This! There is an unbelievable lack of hair styles for the ridged head option and we need more.
Almost as much as we need baldrics to be fixed
Still I don't see why we couldn't get as close to it as possible under ESRP rules, a dress with a deep-ish v-neck. At least we'd finally have some off-duty wear for someone in the KDF to put in the clearly marked off-duty slot.
I agree. With Cryptic's recent experience with the open jacket they should know exactly what they can get away with. More KDF costume options are always good.
Z
...Holy mercy. The image! It burns!
But seriously, baldric fix.
QuchHa' appearance
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/QuchHa%27
There is not enough bloodwine in the Empire ....
Sailor Qo'noS?
It's an interesting idea, but I think it would fit Orions better.. especially the boots.
As a whole, we need more hairstyles, too. Not just for KDF, either. Especially long hair styles for women, there's tons of short ones and few long ones, and the ones we have aren't terribly interesting.
I want the Captain Klaa hair...lol.