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ok i get that the delta flyer is fed but where is the varient version for kdf? im still waiting for a reason to buy cryptic points but as such i find none. you like to make money from both sides right and want to popualte both sides of the game.
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Theres a significantly smaller playerbase (and there has been from day one, so no, it is not somthing that has happen over time because people left the KDF. It has been like this all the way), and as such the demand for KDF C-Store items is heavily less than that for the Feds.
Also, let's be honest here: There isn't that much reference material for the Klingons. If you look at it, Cryptic dosen't seem to capture the Klingon style when they use their own design, where they have tons and tonstons of reference material for the Feds.
Basically what I am saying is: Since there aren't, and never will be as many klingon players as there are federation players, my best geuss is that the Klingon content is being pushed a little aside, to ensure that thoose who actually bring the money into development, the Feds, have a somewhat steady flow of extras (not to confuse with content... cause it is only an extra).
At the same time you have to remember that seemingly the Klingons only had 1 shuttle (the one they "searched" in TNG) so a KDF shuttle would have to be designed from scratch... Wich takes time, if they want to capture the KDF spirit in the design.
and as for from scratch, take inspiration from others.,
http://www.artships.com/2007/sona-shuttle.jpg
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/File:Nausicaan_ship_above.jpg
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Orion_scout_ship
and there are plenty of raiders that we use as pets that can be adapted as solo use shuttles.
If you ask me (and I am no kidding here) They should take the KDF, and rip it out of STO (now now... hear me out)...
Next they should sit down, and watch TNG and DS9, and then fully re-design the KDF from the bottom up.
Why you may ask? Answer is simple: The KDF are Thieves, Thugs and bullies... not an honorable species with a strong sence of honor and justice.
THAT is what Klingons are about, and that is what they impose on the people they conquer, so if they had in fact conqured the Gorn, Naussicans and joined forced with the Orions, they would impose that way of life upon them, not allow them to continue their way of life.
I have a KDF char, but I rarely play it, because everytime i go there, I am reminded of the abuse they've made on the Klingon faction.
The first one is a discard. It is a Son'ar ship, and as such should be part of the True Way faction if anything.
The rest I agree on... Good observation there.
if they expanded on the lore via pve missions specifically to the other races and factions in the kdf and this is never going to happen but gave the kdf there own space to explore that the feds could not ever enter with there own chains the feds cannot do the kdf side would grow immensly. the feds have alot of fans but lets face it, kdf are the bad guys an everyone wants tobe the bad guy.
And the payoff is too small. The amount of work for how much they are going to get may not be high enough.
They are prolly thinking, it is only for the smaller percentage of players on the KDF side and the small percentage of that small percentage that will buy it.
its a cat in a box situation until they actually try it.
A couple more uniforms and a shuttle are not going to bring people to the KDF.
Until the PVE really gets brought up, it won't have these things. It's unfortunate but true
the point is would it hurt
ow just re read this, have to point one thing out, the only people that the klingons have conquered is the gorn, and that was after the war to clear the undine out of there race who were hiding in the council after the undine were cleared the klingons allowed self rule back to the gorn in exchange for an allience, the nausicaans fought with the gorn against the kdf but were never beaten and the kdf never came close to beating them, it was the gorn who organised treaty talks between the kdf and nausicaans and the nausicaans agreed to join the kdf to fight the federation and undine threat. the orions were never conquered by the kdf either. not a clue about lethens.
No, but look at it his way.
(these are all made up numbers, but is probably why they aren't doing it.)
Total Fed Players: 250 (10% willing to buy stuff)
Total KDF Players: 50 (10% willing to buy stuff)
They can either devote time to make an item for the KDF or FED side that is $2. They make more profit from the FED item so they'll devote time to it.
They can either make $10 on the KDF or $50 on the Fed side with just the base number of players.
In a slightly different scenario, they get some more players by adding th item.
In the most favorable situation for the KDF, they got the item, and they ger 10 players read to buy it. They make $20 when they could make $50 on the Fed side with just the base characters.
Firstly, I think the real numbers are even more skewed in favor of the FEDs so it logistically makes no sense to do the KDF rather than the FED.
So, in closing, even if it brought a few new players in ,it still prolly won't offset the profit loss had they done it on the Fed side.
btw i never said instead of fed, i said stop TRIBBLE over the kdf playerbase, would be great to see how many of the fed playerbase plays kdf too to the full extent of its limited content and how many feds would play kdf instead if there were more content to them.
Yeah, but I'm just saying, if they would make money doing it, they would. Since they are not doing it, it is logical to assume they are not making profit off of it.
Making the KDF variant might be too much work, or why wouldn't they have already done it?
It's not like they sit around going, "How can we tick off a ton of players for no reason at all and make less money?"
Sorry, but saying they'd get 70% to 100% of the player base is a little ridiculous. There are a lot of players who don't use the C-Store or used it vary rarely. Maybe 50%, but any more seems overly optimistic.
and how many kdf at this moment u think buy anything of the c store, because in all honesty what is there for us to buy except a ship or 2 an when we bought one we need not buy another because it is unlocked to our account.
btw it isnt logical to assume because they dont an never have done that they wont make money from it, thats like putiing a cat in a lead box walking away then finding a strainger and asking them is the cat alive or dead, its pure guesswork an there is no way of knowing until u try and find out.
I agree, I want them to finish the KDF, I'm just saying that they aren't going to as long as they get more profit from the other side.
I don't think many do. I don;t think an item or two will really make a big difference.
First off, your cat comment doesn't fit the situation.
It is logical because, say I am developers.
I've got two sides, side B needs fixing. Side B is losing players and shriveling.
What possible reason would I have to not work side B over side A, unless I made more money working on side A?
Why would I be willing to slowly kill off subscribers and let money disappear from the game if It wasn't more profitable to work on the other parts as compared to fixing this part?
If you can answer those questions, I will admit you are right. That they are choosing to not work on something to make less money for the game that is currently funding their lives.
and the cat in a box fits perfectly, the bar minimum has been done to kdf since release an next to nothing on c store created for them. so they have no idea what a real content update would do to the kdf an adding items usable to the kdf that the playerbase wants.
I'm saying they are slowly developing less Klingon Content than they are Fed Content, because Fed content makes em more money.
And you didn't answer my question, name a situtation where Cryptic would be doing either of those things.
the fact that if play A is only federation and player B is only KDF. the fact is that both pay subs and both have equal rights to game content no matter how many are on either side. by giving the option to be one side or the other or both means that neither side should be held back for the other sides advancment be it via cosmetic,equipment or game changing content via missions or content.
there is already an inbalance within the game from launch with missions content and gameplay area but since then there has been further inbalance via ships, diplomatic content and development of passed content being reworked.
so as both players pay the same amount per month to play and towards content it matter not that one side has more paying customers then the other as both players pay towards the future content, reworking of old content and upkeep of the game. c-store itself is not within the realms of subscription but the fact of channeling all develpment of c-store into one side is in a sense racist towards the other side as even though there are fewer on the kdf side the money generated from c-store for specific items would cover the cost of dev as the kdf ships and costumes have shown.
So, what your saying is the KDF has the right for the Dev's to make stuff AND they would make more money. And yet, they still are not doing it. Either A) You are wrong or
I would like to say that I'm in favor of KDF expansion, I have 2 Klingons, but I'm just pointing out WHY they aren't doing it.
And you still didn't answer my questions.
im saying that as KDF player who pays subs we have the right to equal development, and im not saying they are chosing to not lose money by not developing kdf content ingame and c-store an neither making extra money by not producing kdf c-store items at the same rate as federation with cross factional c-store items like formal wear and merc sets.
But are you stating that they are chosing to not put as much development time into the kdf and only into the federation with core game systems like diplomatic and c-store items for the fact that they think it will lose money?
And as such that as a subscriber in only the kdf i am not getting the same ammount of service for my subscriptions as a federation based subscriber and as such should not have to pay as much subscriptions for this game or maybe actually pay subscription to a game that either has 1 side or gives equal content rights to both sides.
please answer me that.
and you shall find i did answer your question.:cool:
Think you could use any more negatives in a single statement?
I'm theorizing that they are not putting as much effort into the KDF as the Fed side because the Fed side makes more money.
The company exists to make money, they do what will make the most revenue. The only way they will do equal content is if it will make the same or more money. The fact that they are not making equal content means that the Fed side gains them more revenue and /or the Klingon side makes less revenue.
I'm not saying its right, in fact I disagree, but it is the only logical explanation that fits the current situation.
Nice, meaningless double talk to avoid the actual question.
I asked "'ve got two sides, side B needs fixing. Side B is losing players and shriveling.
What possible reason would I have to not work side B over side A, unless I made more money working on side A?
Why would I be willing to slowly kill off subscribers and let money disappear from the game if It wasn't more profitable to work on the other parts as compared to fixing this part?"
You have yet to give a situation in which that makes any sense at all.
and its you that stated they wouldnt make money from it, i said they would make some if it was the same ship with 2 skins one for fed one for kdf. and they can change a skin easy, prime example reman shield.