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Today, I noticed that there is a new bridge pack that was snuck in recently that was specified for the Sovereign. And I thought this might be the a new authentic bridge set for the ship.
  • San Fransisco
  • Zimmerman
  • Eaves

I was anxious and went ahead and bought it, and what do I find? Just another redone paint job of a bridge set that we got shortly after launch, the:
  • Alliance
  • Ceremonial
  • Star Explorer
  • Diplomat

Bridge Sets.


Needless to say, I feel like I been scammed. And I am disappointed in paying for another rehash.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Azurian wrote: »
    Today, I noticed that there is a new bridge pack that was snuck in recently that was specified for the Sovereign. And I thought this might be the a new authentic bridge set for the ship.
    • San Fransisco
    • Zimmerman
    • Eaves

    I was anxious and went ahead and bought it, and what do I find? Just another redone paint job of a bridge set that we got shortly after launch, the:
    • Alliance
    • Ceremonial
    • Star Explorer
    • Diplomat

    Bridge Sets.


    Needless to say, I feel like I been scammed. And I am disappointed in paying for another rehash.

    Sorry to hear that. I hope you've learned a valuable lesson this time and wont fall prey to a similar item in the future.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Azurian wrote: »
    I was anxious and went ahead and bought it, and what do I find? Just another redone paint job of a bridge set that we got shortly after launch, the:
    • Alliance
    • Ceremonial
    • Star Explorer
    • Diplomat

    Bridge Sets.


    Needless to say, I feel like I been scammed. And I am disappointed in paying for another rehash.

    I remember when we first got bridges, no one believed me when I said that those bridges were supposed to be Cryptic's representation of the Sovereign bridge, some didn't even believe me when I showed them a comparison shot between the actual Sovereign bridge and the super-inflated in-game version.

    For what it's worth, those reskins do look better than the originals, but it's still too large for me to imagine using on anything smaller than that Jupiter-class dreadnaught. Seriously, that bridge is larger than most yachts.

    Also, what's up with not even announcing it when they put it in the store last week?

    EDIT: It also makes me sad that one of these bridges has John Eaves' (Star Trek ship designer) name tied to it. The scale of this room's structure (walls, floor, ceiling) is just wrong for anything other than an opera house (although I could say the same thing about the Cardassian bridge too). I half expect Statler & Waldorf from the Muppet Show to be manning one of the side balcony stations making jokes about how they can't see the screen or hear the captain b/c they're too far away
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    I have no idea, but would it kill them to give us a normal bridge that is accurate?

    I really don't buy the "Camera" issue, since we don't have problems with the cameras in the Rapier Bridge (which is tiny).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Azurian wrote: »
    I have no idea, but would it kill them to give us a normal bridge that is accurate?

    I really don't buy the "Camera" issue, since we don't have problems with the cameras in the Rapier Bridge (which is tiny).

    There is no actual "Camera issue". There are areas in the 1st episode of the Devidian series where you can fight under (in the Cardassian messhall/sickbay/morgue/brig) that would be appropriate ceiling heights for a normal deck. The Klingon Carrier bridges have areas you can walk under (and also fight in) that are appropriately scaled. The camera is not a problem. It may be plausible that AI pathing may be an issue with small spaces, but then it doesn't really make sense to have these types of drawn-out gun battles on the main control center for your starship anyway. I won't say that there haven't been any examples of firefights on bridges in Star Trek, but typically if armed invaders make it to the bridge, the battle is already won. You don't fight on the bridge b/c if you do, you run the risk of 1) dying or 2) damaging some very important equipment that could lead back to point 1. You don't hold massive receptions on the bridge. That's what they have reception rooms, mess decks, or meeting rooms for.

    That being said, the Rapier bridge is still "huge" considering it's supposed to be a Defiant-style bridge (the way it's laid out almost makes me think they could make a NX-01 bridge out of it). The Prometheus bridge is appropriately sized for an Enterprise-A or E bridge (it's supposed to be much smaller, but this way it seems appropriately sized for most ship classes).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    I remember when we first got bridges, no one believed me when I said that those bridges were supposed to be Cryptic's representation of the Sovereign bridge, some didn't even believe me when I showed them a comparison shot between the actual Sovereign bridge and the super-inflated in-game version.

    OMG Lets hope the new sovereign bridges are better :D Oh and dont forget the struts, and make the captain close to his first officer so he doesn't need a megaphone to issue orders. :p
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    does anyone have any screenies of the eaves bridge? I'd really like to see one of those.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    *does a b-e-a-u-t-i-f-u-l swan dive from the captains chair to an all female crew below* Weeeeee.


    Oh come on... You know thats why it was made.
    <--
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Chat wrote:
    *does a b-e-a-u-t-i-f-u-l swan dive from the captains chair to an all female crew below* Weeeeee.


    Oh come on... You know thats why it was made.
    <--

    On a related note, while the raised dais of the Eaves neat visually, I can't help but think about how unpractical it is. With the frequency that these ships get rocked to and fro due to both enemy fire and wild maneuvers, you'd think they'd at least put handrails around that platform to keep the captain from falling three feet down.

    Additionally, these bridges still haven't addressed the fact that you can't get to the top rear surface from the middle surface without jumping (not to mention the raised dais). It seems like it'd be highly annoying to walk down to the middle stations (or toward the viewscreen) and then have to do a lap all the way around the bridge to get back to your chair.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    On a related note, while the raised dais of the Eaves neat visually, I can't help but think about how unpractical it is. With the frequency that these ships get rocked to and fro due to both enemy fire and wild maneuvers, you'd think they'd at least put handrails around that platform to keep the captain from falling three feet down.
    Thats what the chest slider is for silly. :rolleyes:
    Additionally, these bridges still haven't addressed the fact that you can't get to the top rear surface from the middle surface without jumping (not to mention the raised dais). It seems like it'd be highly annoying to walk down to the middle stations (or toward the viewscreen) and then have to do a lap all the way around the bridge to get back to your chair.
    Indeed. And what does one need 4 extra chairs for?
    "You are my number 1."
    "You are number 2."
    "I make you my number 3."
    "Ah what the heck make it 4!"
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    does anyone have any screenies of the eaves bridge? I'd really like to see one of those.

    I posted them in another thread (best i could come up with quickly)

    http://i.imgur.com/SFBEx.jpg
    http://i.imgur.com/iPEpq.jpg

    http://i.imgur.com/J0Ik3.jpg
    http://i.imgur.com/WFnUb.jpg

    http://i.imgur.com/Hg7Sy.jpg
    http://i.imgur.com/UsPj4.jpg
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    LOL yes this will teach you about impulse buys from Cryptic! God that thing is a STADIUM! :eek:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    I know! ^_^

    Always joke about bridges in this game being football stadiums. That or a Theater. Just needs a bigger Wide-Screen TV with some surround sound. :p
    EDIT: It also makes me sad that one of these bridges has John Eaves' (Star Trek ship designer) name tied to it. The scale of this room's structure (walls, floor, ceiling) is just wrong for anything other than an opera house (although I could say the same thing about the Cardassian bridge too). I half expect Statler & Waldorf from the Muppet Show to be manning one of the side balcony stations making jokes about how they can't see the screen or hear the captain b/c they're too far away

    Well, I'm sure he's going to find out. Probablly be flattered, and laugh at the size at the same time. ;)
    There is no actual "Camera issue". There are areas in the 1st episode of the Devidian series where you can fight under (in the Cardassian messhall/sickbay/morgue/brig) that would be appropriate ceiling heights for a normal deck. The Klingon Carrier bridges have areas you can walk under (and also fight in) that are appropriately scaled. The camera is not a problem. It may be plausible that AI pathing may be an issue with small spaces, but then it doesn't really make sense to have these types of drawn-out gun battles on the main control center for your starship anyway. I won't say that there haven't been any examples of firefights on bridges in Star Trek, but typically if armed invaders make it to the bridge, the battle is already won. You don't fight on the bridge b/c if you do, you run the risk of 1) dying or 2) damaging some very important equipment that could lead back to point 1. You don't hold massive receptions on the bridge. That's what they have reception rooms, mess decks, or meeting rooms for.

    That being said, the Rapier bridge is still "huge" considering it's supposed to be a Defiant-style bridge (the way it's laid out almost makes me think they could make a NX-01 bridge out of it). The Prometheus bridge is appropriately sized for an Enterprise-A or E bridge (it's supposed to be much smaller, but this way it seems appropriately sized for most ship classes).

    Yeah, I know there is no real Camera Issue, I always thought that was an excuse, given how we gone all this time in narrower situations. Guess they just never wanted to go throught he effort in properly giving us the correct sized bridges.

    Honestly, it makes me cringe whats going to happen to the TOS Bridge Set they are working on.


    But if they have the time to do these bridges, then they have the time to make proper bridges. I guaurantee everyone would be buying the authentic bridge sets than these football stadiums.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    I don't feel that bad for the OP.

    There was no announcement about it and there was no pictures. Yet you complain to Cryptic you did'nt get your money's worth. Whenever that happens, you always wait for pictures in case what happened doe happen.;)

    Sorry though that it happened it to you though:(
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Azurian wrote: »
    I know! ^_^

    Always joke about bridges in this game being football stadiums. That or a Theater. Just needs a bigger Wide-Screen TV with some surround sound. :p
    I can kinda accept the big bridges. If it wasn't for the really small viewscreens.

    I mean sure the huge sizes are horrid. But a bigger viewscreen would at least help my immersion just a tiny(HAH!) bit.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    I agree the scale on these - much like every other Fed bridge pack - is way, way, way too big. I do hope they rescale these at some point.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    The only fed bridge pack that is actually really good is the Prometheus one.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Alexraptor wrote: »
    The only fed bridge pack that is actually really good is the Prometheus one.

    This very much this, most of the bridges are waaay too big , or like the intrepid do not appear to be what they are supposed to be...or what is up with the defiant bridges not having a HELM station?

    Only ones I tend to use are either the Galaxy class ones..which atleast look like they are supposed to or the Prometheus bridge for smaller ships....though for my teir one ships I do also tend to fall back on the Miranda ones.

    Seriously though, some really awesome ideas in these other brides just Scale them back a little...and call the intrepid bridge pack something else and please please work on a proper intrepid bridge.

    I do hold out hope the TOS bridge pack is the start o a new trend but we will have to see.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Azurian wrote: »

    I was anxious and went ahead and bought it, and what do I find? Just another redone paint job of a bridge set that we got shortly after launch, the:

    Well be lucky not to be a Klingon; ALL our C-Store bridges beside the Negh Va are repaintet normal bridges.
    Alexraptor wrote: »
    The only fed bridge pack that is actually really good is the Prometheus one.

    I like(beside the Prometheus) the Desteny pack and the Galaxy pack too... And the negh va on klingon side^^ . The rest... sucks.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Has anyone else noticed that the pack does not exist on the C-store page on the main site?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    I came across this bridge pack a few days ago and I was hesitant to pick it up. Glad I didn't after seeing it first hand from a fleet member.

    First of all, the *in-game* C-store has it listed but offers no screenshots. Oddly, the Sovereign bridge pack does not even show up on the official site's c-store. You really don't know what you're getting into until you've already bought it.

    The bridge itself ..

    1) It is nothing but a re-paint of the Diplomat series of bridges. The only differences are the colors, lighting, raised Captain's chair, and the occasional officer's seat.

    2) It looks nothing like the Sovereign's bridge that we know. Again, it's just a rework of the Diplomat bridge.

    I'd like to hope that this is just a placeholder for the actual Sovereign bridge but it's doubtful..
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    It seems to be a Cryptic-wide thing. I was playing the Champions game the other day and noticed a desk I decided to sit at was about 4 and a half feet high.

    Seriously, we've been commenting and complaining about this for a long time. The tactical station on my Galaxy-based bridge has to be nearly 30-40 feet across. I hope my tactical officer has roller skates. My Captain has taken to carrying a megaphone, since he can't actually talk to his helmsman, who is about 20 feet away.

    It's ridiculous, laughable... and frustrating, annoying and depressing. This isn't rocket science, GET IT RIGHT.


    A large part of the problem is that they keep issuing garbage, and WE KEEP BUYING IT (well, I don't, I refuse to use the C-Store). If you really want to make a statement, it seems the only one they will notice is the one you make with your wallet. Unfortunately, if everyone made that kind of statement, the game might fold up.

    Damned if we do, damned if we don't.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    S6T2J2L wrote:
    First of all, the *in-game* C-store has it listed but offers no screenshots. Oddly, the Sovereign bridge pack does not even show up on the official site's c-store. You really don't know what you're getting into until you've already bought it.
    It really must be a bug that it was added.
    One that they obviously should know about since they updated the C-Store a few times already...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Mojo wrote: »
    It seems to be a Cryptic-wide thing. I was playing the Champions game the other day and noticed a desk I decided to sit at was about 4 and a half feet high.

    Seriously, we've been commenting and complaining about this for a long time. The tactical station on my Galaxy-based bridge has to be nearly 30-40 feet across. I hope my tactical officer has roller skates. My Captain has taken to carrying a megaphone, since he can't actually talk to his helmsman, who is about 20 feet away.

    It's ridiculous, laughable... and frustrating, annoying and depressing. This isn't rocket science, GET IT RIGHT.


    A large part of the problem is that they keep issuing garbage, and WE KEEP BUYING IT (well, I don't, I refuse to use the C-Store). If you really want to make a statement, it seems the only one they will notice is the one you make with your wallet. Unfortunately, if everyone made that kind of statement, the game might fold up.

    Damned if we do, damned if we don't.
    Ya know they've kinda commented about this oh say 40 thousand times since January of last year right? And they've continuously said they are looking into ways to shrink some down.

    And fine. If ya don't like it don't buy it. Me? I bought this pack not knowing anything about what the bridges looked like (and I even posted the screenshots on here in a few threads) and while yes, I expected something new and not repainted and elevated, I still find them fun to use considering I feel like my captain is super cool sitting so high up above others hehe.

    Some people like them, some people don't. "One mans garbage is another mans treasure"
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    http://forums.startrekonline.com/showpost.php?p=3358943&postcount=5
    The sovereign bridge pack is a funny story that I might be persuaded to tell another time  We’re working on getting the web page updated though.

    You should try persuading him...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    forresto wrote: »
    I don't feel that bad for the OP.

    There was no announcement about it and there was no pictures. Yet you complain to Cryptic you did'nt get your money's worth. Whenever that happens, you always wait for pictures in case what happened doe happen.;)

    I do have every sympathy for the original poster, actually. The pack is labelled "Sovereign", and without any screenshots to illustrate to the contrary, it is reasonable that your average Star Trek fan will expect to be getting a bridge that looks exactly like the canonical Sovereign-class bridge. The same goes for the "Intrepid" bridges.

    Cryptic must either provide screenshots to make it crystal clear that it does NOT look like the canonical Sovereign-class bridge, or they must name it something else.

    To name it Sovereign and then hide its appearance until after payment can only be taken as a deliberate attempt to deceive people into paying for it by making them think they're getting something they're not.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Mojo wrote: »
    It seems to be a Cryptic-wide thing. I was playing the Champions game the other day and noticed a desk I decided to sit at was about 4 and a half feet high.

    Seriously, we've been commenting and complaining about this for a long time. The tactical station on my Galaxy-based bridge has to be nearly 30-40 feet across. I hope my tactical officer has roller skates. My Captain has taken to carrying a megaphone, since he can't actually talk to his helmsman, who is about 20 feet away.

    It's ridiculous, laughable... and frustrating, annoying and depressing. This isn't rocket science, GET IT RIGHT.


    A large part of the problem is that they keep issuing garbage, and WE KEEP BUYING IT (well, I don't, I refuse to use the C-Store). If you really want to make a statement, it seems the only one they will notice is the one you make with your wallet. Unfortunately, if everyone made that kind of statement, the game might fold up.

    Damned if we do, damned if we don't.
    My only (and i guess for a long time) item purchased from cstore was the tng uniforms/open variants.
    Those bridges are terrible,what the hell with criptic,just hate my glaxy class and sovereing bridges
    Way toooooo large and with wrong details everywhere.
    Make it so devs,FIX THE DAMN THING !! :mad:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Azurian wrote: »
    I have no idea, but would it kill them to give us a normal bridge that is accurate?
    Yap it would. Why?
    Because everyone gets theyr beloved bridge and no one would by any more bridges.

    /sarcasm on
    Scam on.
    /sarcasm off
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Burying in the back yard! Start a new thread with new info.
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