Alts in FSP

not happy with it?
dont allow multi-ers in squad
kick and pk if they lie about it

I don't mind alts in party. Most time i kick my own alts for random books or pages. But lets be honest, my alts have better gear than many ppl that join, like some 4k hp sins. I also form my own fsp, so who joins already knows will have my alt and my in game hubby's alts too.

My multiclient level is over 9000

I dont really mind whenever people only want to give me one split from pages, I leave it up to the squadlead, as I would already have told them when I asked to join that I would like to bring alt.

Alice_Nyan - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I am too nice to kick ppl just because they have low hp b:surrender

think about it this way "you are too nice" to... punish the rest of the squad

Alice_Nyan - Dreamweaver wrote: »

LoL yeah, but i think everyone wants to play and get stuff done. If we never let weak ppl join, they won't ever be strong b:surrender

most of those 4k hp RA1 toons (especially sins) are alts, they will never get stronger, people made them ra1 for fsp only and will never invest in them more

sometimes "everyone wants to play"

sometimes "everyone wants to be in a non shtty squad" (and not wait 10 minutes on people dieing all the time

edit: i meant to say theyre not just alt but they were former DQ bot alts, or free friend account alts, peopel have zero desire to upgrade those toons, just use and abuse to feed their main, they will be full C cards forevar.

I do the exact same thing as alice/others do/does, except I generally do not form... though i will on occasion, and I haven't ever left an alt in squad for drops/randoms.

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That being said I can see why it would annoy you if someone has that many alts in on an fsp and they stay for drops. Sadly un less you can kill the people who you know are doing it/wont kill you for doing it... unless your squad lead/banker you can't really do much about it 'safely.' xD

It really doesn't matter how much the drops are worth, its more the principle of it, it really does seem like nothing more than greed/selfish thinking... or at least that is the perception with the people who do leave alts in squad for drops/randoms.

Pretty much why I dislike doing FSP at all, really. Too many people alt drag who suck at it, or alt drag and have them stand outside doing jack all, while still taking drops for them.

I've done dual client once or twice, usually when a cleric is needed with my SB. Thing is, both characters run well on macro, and are geared to a good degree. But when it came for splits, I still bowed my cleric out just because I couldn't really say they were played at max efficiency.

And if it's an amazing tank who deals huge damage while allowing my character to unload full blast for a really quick run all around, I also don't care if they have an alt or two standing around. Because it's the **** play that annoys me, not just the greed. And if someone is that geared/skilled to still make it fast, I'm all for it.

But as an example, there's a veno that doesn't do much in there, mostly just purge spam. They have a damage ceiling from not being able to go all out even with amazing gear, and didn't steal agro on even the non-toad bosses. Nothing exceptional about their play, but they drag along 2 or 3 alts that stand outside aoe range doing nothing.

That's the type I have the issue with. Instead of getting useful people, the squad suffers so they can feed their greed. That's not even counting the people who advertise at toad, but logged in alts to grab the first quest real quick and made it so people miss out on the first 2 coins.

For me, I'm more interested in getting to the point where I can solo it, and just avoid all that hassle. Have every combo executed at the right times, for maximum damage output. All drops to me, no hassles. And I can speed log alts on for maxing out the NPC quest turn-ins, even without getting the advanced bonus on all of them.

The only times I drag an alt into FSP is when the squad needs either a cleric or tank for frog. I got both, so I offer them if there's no response to WC calls. I do idle them afterward since I can't multi worth a damn - so generally I won't do it, especially in FSP (BH EU and such are another matter)

Thing that pisses me off most in FSP is when people who can't multi worth a damn -don't- park their alt at Succubus and end up causing delays as half the squad wipes due to a failed stand together or stand apart phase. Would rather do Succu with 9 or 8 people then redo it a dozen times with the whole squad.

ALTS IN FSP?? THE HORROR!!! IS THAT FOR REAL???

joke joke...

Ok personally as some of u may have realized i tend to do many runs and take alts in fsp. Since i have many toons in same account they all share gear, so my alts have decent/good gear and always DD on bosses, never leech

About drops, since i form this are my rules:
Alts dont get split on books, all kicked for random
Pages depends on number and alts, if im the only one with alt, alt wont get cut, if there are many from diff people and number rounds even probably. But i always do this, even split, rest to floor and whoever wants an extra picks.

So far, noone complained on my alts, runs or splits so i must be doing something good

Just kick the alts from squad when its time to random.
For pages i never worrried much. I always just announce how many pages there are total and then run around dropping them 1 by 1 so everyone can get their share if they want to (most dont even care to pick em up so the last few who stay in the instance because they do care can share em among eachother.





For the playing in FSP i never really make a problem of people bringing alts although people should understand what is reasonable for themselves. My BM buddy is a god at dual clienting, he duals his R9 BM and cleric and noone will even notice he is dual clienting, he can carry the squad by himself with his cleric and his BM tanking. Who can have a problem with that ? If however you are considering to bring 2 G15 toons and you suck at dual clienting, then its better you ask first if people mind you being useless on 2 toons.

my alts always take its fair share since everyone is a weakling compared to me and my alts. its not fair when im doing all the work i dont even... b:angry

Depends. Sometimes a person that multiclients does more work and helps the squad more than someone that doesn't multiclient at all. Someone that purges/amps and hf > someone with just one undergeared toon that keeps dying to aoe.
People that do multiclient usually do it for the fs coins to get cards/packs faster, in my experience they thend to ignore pages completely.
But there is the issue of the rare books. in that case it should be split among persons (no matter how useful or useless they were during the run), but some people are really great at multicienting, so you can't even tell sometimes.

Imo it would be best if the multiclienters would form their own squads, with each 2 toons e.g.

Generally, i would say we have much greater issues to complain about: the support, bugs, incorrect translations, incomplete expansions, incomplete patches, still broken events, decline in population.