POL, was it right to remove FC hypers ?

Father_gold - Sanctuary · September 2014

SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »

You should read more to catch up. The changes to both FCC and Earning Time in all the maps was intentional.

It was not some mistake.

Also, considering we were the only version that had it, it's not surprising that they aren't supporting it any longer.

They don't have PvE servers in China either. Would you like to see that here? b:chuckle

how is it intentional really? they forgot to make the change and when we got content update they didnt want to do the work to return the content to form.

it was only "intentional" after they decided not to bother with it.

if they launched the game as pvp only here with all the bells and whistles that the china version has... and the NON-emphasis on the cash shop....

then you would have a point.

the change to earning time was def intentional to combat botting and the inflation of gold prices.

the changes made to FCC would only be reasonable if they also had the other exp-fixing changes rolled out but we have to wait for the expansion for that. they forgot to make a change, figured they might eliminate FCC as an exp farming instance in the new expansion, so they left it unfixed leaving us nerfed without notice.

its just messy and unprofessional.

Aubree - Dreamweaver · September 2014

Father_gold - Sanctuary wrote: »

the change to earning time was def intentional to combat botting and the inflation of gold prices.

the changes made to FCC would only be reasonable if they also had the other exp-fixing changes rolled out but we have to wait for the expansion for that. they forgot to make a change, figured they might eliminate FCC as an exp farming instance in the new expansion, so they left it unfixed leaving us nerfed without notice.

its just messy and unprofessional.

Earning time is the law in China. They must have a fatigue system since 2007. So pwcn has had that from that time on.

bolma · September 2014

no it isnt right to take fcc away fcc made this server and alot of people dont have a year or 2 to lvl there chars fcc is nothing now you cant farm mats they took that out now no lvling its all about money the more time you spend lvl your char the more money you use since 4 years back pwi has taken away exp from every thing you do to make you spend money to lvl lessing the exp you get from mobs to farming mats it has all gone down every thing they do is to make you spend real money in game here the big one cant trade or sell you see that every where LOL if you cant make coin in game you have to use real money bring back fcc thoses who dont use it cool then dont but there are others who do.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · September 2014

A good game isnt suppose to be one that just jumps you to lv100+ Alot of pple come back for the community of it.
Pple complain about the game but yet they expect the activities that actually decrease social interaction to be prioritized. (No, clearing fcc and calling for heads is not)
Before all these super FCC/PV things happened, getting to 100 was a big accomplishment. I remember when pple paraded me around Archo JUST by getting 100, and for others too it was like a small event that faction mates joined in as well as strangers.

I do miss it because i had wanted to level my archer but at the same time, im glad for this. They took away a little bit of the race-to-100 part of the game.

Father_gold - Sanctuary · September 2014

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

A good game isnt suppose to be one that just jumps you to lv100+ Alot of pple come back for the community of it.
Pple complain about the game but yet they expect the activities that actually decrease social interaction to be prioritized. (No, clearing fcc and calling for heads is not)
Before all these super FCC/PV things happened, getting to 100 was a big accomplishment. I remember when pple paraded me around Archo JUST by getting 100, and for others too it was like a small event that faction mates joined in as well as strangers.

I do miss it because i had wanted to level my archer but at the same time, im glad for this. They took away a little bit of the race-to-100 part of the game.

but its still a race to 100 sort of game.

lets face it, hitting 100 or even getting a piece of r9 is nowhere near the event it used to be. even getting a red mat is quite fanfare-less. that era of this game is gone, no amount of exp-fixing or stymieing of players in level bands is going to bring it back. 100+ rb2 high level play is the new goal, all the top tier gear and skills and items create a gap that is widely impossible to bridge unless you are at the very least skillful and firmly in the post-game.

again, since our version is nowhere near what china gets, and doesnt have to follow the same rules china does, it is moot to keep bringing up what chinese players have to deal with. if the game was ported over with the same intent as the chinese game then all of these china-references would have some sort of weight.

they dont

this game was ported and tailored to cut a whole in our pockets (or social lives) and place the newest gear and options FIRMLY in the pay-to-win part of the game. they are not making any decisions to "better" the experience of basic players any longer. we cant go back to the days when the top tier gear was farmed from an instance, i am rather confident the next level of gear past r999 will be available via cash shop and not via farming instance.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · September 2014

Father_gold - Sanctuary wrote: »

but its still a race to 100 sort of game.

lets face it, hitting 100 or even getting a piece of r9 is nowhere near the event it used to be. even getting a red mat is quite fanfare-less. that era of this game is gone, no amount of exp-fixing or stymieing of players in level bands is going to bring it back. 100+ rb2 high level play is the new goal, all the top tier gear and skills and items create a gap that is widely impossible to bridge unless you are at the very least skillful and firmly in the post-game.

that what you get for taking a break b:angry

this game was ported and tailored to cut a whole in our pockets (or social lives) and place the newest gear and options FIRMLY in the pay-to-win part of the game. they are not making any decisions to "better" the experience of basic players any longer. we cant go back to the days when the top tier gear was farmed from an instance, i am rather confident the next level of gear past r999 will be available via cash shop and not via farming instance.

if the change is gradual like it was from TT>lunar>R9 series i think most R9ers would be willing to swallow a river of tears or two

skyflyer2 · September 2014

I don't see why we cant have BOTH. They say having hypers disabled helps revitalize the game for low level players because they can actually find squads for bh's now. They also say that it makes low level players learn their characters because they have to do the quests. FINE. Disable hypers for players BELOW level 75. By the time you hit level 75, you pretty much know your character. Don't agree? Fine. Disable hypers for players below level 100 then.

But DONT disable them for players 100+. If you banned hypers for low level players, then by the time you hit 100, you will have already learned your character. Plus, leveling from level 100-105 takes forever even WITH fc. So why make it take even LONGER for me to get to level 105? Especially when I have two past lives and my current one to get to 105 now. It just makes it frustratingly slow.

I can see no reason why this compromise wouldn't solve the problem. It keeps people from being fc noobs, it keeps bh's and other quests populated with players, and it gives 100+ chars something else to do for exp besides phoenix valley. I really hope pwi considers this option so that everyone can be happy, and not just those who have already finished leveling their chars.

Father_gold - Sanctuary · September 2014

skyflyer2 wrote: »

I don't see why we cant have BOTH. They say having hypers disabled helps revitalize the game for low level players because they can actually find squads for bh's now. They also say that it makes low level players learn their characters because they have to do the quests. FINE. Disable hypers for players BELOW level 75. By the time you hit level 75, you pretty much know your character. Don't agree? Fine. Disable hypers for players below level 100 then.

But DONT disable them for players 100+. If you banned hypers for low level players, then by the time you hit 100, you will have already learned your character. Plus, leveling from level 100-105 takes forever even WITH fc. So why make it take even LONGER for me to get to level 105? Especially when I have two past lives and my current one to get to 105 now. It just makes it frustratingly slow.

I can see no reason why this compromise wouldn't solve the problem. It keeps people from being fc noobs, it keeps bh's and other quests populated with players, and it gives 100+ chars something else to do for exp besides phoenix valley. I really hope pwi considers this option so that everyone can be happy, and not just those who have already finished leveling their chars.

but instead of fcc noobs, now you have [insert daily here] noobs. fcc or not, there are still going to be less serious players who will need to be carried, so to speak, when doing random squads. ppl will not learn the classes until it becomes important to them to learn them.

i would not be bothered if the limitation was that you could not get toons below 75 into fcc since it was meant for toons of that lvl and up. that would be the middle ground solution in my opinion.

star, you are exactly right!! all but the last step in your comment was farmed gear.... they tried it with r8r but then overshadowed it by making the mats extremely hard to acquire (then making them too easy to acquire), then making a new tier of gear that outshone it and was built on top of farmed gear.

jwillson123 · September 2014

Evryn - Morai wrote: »

There's already PV for farming XP. I don't get why people get so hyperfocused on FC. There are other effective ways to level toons - just not as fast or easy. Most of the time those ways aren't as quick but still offer decent speed:
- BH's, stacked. These get you to level 80 in a hurry, no more then a few days, especially if you got some high level help.
- Blue and purple divine emissary quests. Especially the purples are a major boost. If you're purely looking for XP, turn the orders of the shadow/void in reroll items to get as many blue/purple quests as you can per day.
- Crazy stone. Gets pricey though.
- Lvl 70+: Paperclip for Villa. Takes a while, know your shortcuts, but can be done mostly on afk autopath flying.
- Auto Cultivation for whichever amount of time you have left after running your fighting quests. Some classes are more suited for this then others though.
- Phoenix Valley, once a day. Get a squad together if you can't solo it.
- 90+: Faction base quest daily
- 95+: Morai dailies and weekly. Do Endless Universe as well if you get the chance, 400k XP pill can help.

The problem is TIME! I repeat the problem is TIME!

I am a lazy player because I do want to level my alt who is level 98 to 100??? I just gave the alt up.
I have not time to play an alt at all.

I do FSP x2 times a day = 2 hours
Cube x 2 times a day = 1 hour to 2 hours (depends on dice luck)
WS x2 times a day = 2 hours a day
Dailies = 1 hour a day

That is 6 hours a day.

Do I have time at all to log on an alt to do BH , Dailies and try to form PV squad? Hell no!
That would take me 3 or 4 hours of my time.

Which do you Prefer Spending """"30 HOURS"""

or

Spend """"3 HOURS"""" doing FC with your main for your alt? to get same exp?

Its not about been HARD is about TIME.
Time we could use to improve and try to compete in this game on our main!
Now I have to spend over 30 hours to get the same that someone spend only 3 hours???

Its totally unfair for players who do not have level 100 alts.

They are F alts they are made to be openers, buff slaves and doing instance to get more money.

Now people who do not have multiple alts have another unfair advantage.
I find it laughable that people support FC to be removed but they have not reached level 105 yet and they never will.

Some of us wants to get to level 105 and do it as fast as possible.

The faster and less time you can do something the more you improve in this game.

I Rather spend "30 HOURS" doing FC to level my alt than spending "300 HOURS" on an alt doing same things over and over how boring what you be to like that?....

Do you people do not value your time at all WTF?????
You will not impress anyone by saying you did not FC your alt without FC you just going to be 1 shotted because you waste a LOT of hours leveling a alt slave when you could had spend that time on your main...

ovenusarmanio · September 2014

Yeah, I've always thought 75+ was the ideal solution, all it would take is making the NPC that checks to see if you are that level to actually work. Perhaps making it open only if everyone had a key ala nirvana sold from the same NPC that opens it.

Dutch_death - Heavens Tear · October 2014

oVenusArmanio wrote: »

Yeah, I've always thought 75+ was the ideal solution, all it would take is making the NPC that checks to see if you are that level to actually work. Perhaps making it open only if everyone had a key ala nirvana sold from the same NPC that opens it.

agreed would be the ideal solution but sadly wont be happening why
cost time to and money and effort to make a npc like that who checks players lvl so since pwe/pwi wont spend time and money in this game they dont even fix old bugs like boss in bh 59 that bug has been there for years so they wont put the time effort and money in it pwi is al about making money nothing more as long as it generate,s money they do it as long as it cost money they wont thats a simple fact

SylenThunder - Twilight Temple · October 2014

Dutch_death - Heavens Tear wrote: »

agreed would be the ideal solution but sadly wont be happening why
cost time to and money and effort to make a npc like that who checks players lvl so since pwe/pwi wont spend time and money in this game they dont even fix old bugs like boss in bh 59 that bug has been there for years so they wont put the time effort and money in it pwi is al about making money nothing more as long as it generate,s money they do it as long as it cost money they wont thats a simple fact

Actually it's pretty easy to add the 8 bits of code to the map config file for that. It would be similar to the way heaven and Hell maps are set up.

zxshinobixz · October 2014

Dutch_death - Heavens Tear wrote: »

agreed would be the ideal solution but sadly wont be happening why
cost time to and money and effort to make a npc like that who checks players lvl so since pwe/pwi wont spend time and money in this game they dont even fix old bugs like boss in bh 59 that bug has been there for years so they wont put the time effort and money in it pwi is al about making money nothing more as long as it generate,s money they do it as long as it cost money they wont thats a simple fact

It will cost a lot of money to pwi if they do not add fc back.
Level 100+ players are the ones that cash 1000$ +
level 1-99 only cash under 100$
and with jones quests new players do not even have to cash at all.

Dutch_death - Heavens Tear · October 2014

SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »

Actually it's pretty easy to add the 8 bits of code to the map config file for that. It would be similar to the way heaven and Hell maps are set up.

oke but like i did say it cost money and high lvl wil qq that they have to play the game and find squad instead of running there new alts with the help of main most casshopers wil wanna have there moonfairy ore the other class asap in endgame gear they wont wanna play game for 1 year to lvl there new classes to 100 they wanna show off there awesome,s really fast and talk about in wc how fast they got r9 and how great they are so pwi wont risk that casshoppers are adored by pwi al is about keeping them happy and pwi profits also that way the faster they are 101 the faster pwi gets income from new zen buys for packs and r9 mats simple math pwi brings out new classes because most of the old one,s are now endagme so pwi wants more coin so bring in new calsses and get coin from packs and r9 sale,s its al about the money pwi forgot what it use to be a great game now its al about making money and gameplay is just necesarry evil but not as important as it was

Notgood - Raging Tide · October 2014

i laugh when i see ppl saying 105/105/105 the one want FC disabled acting like they are greedy and selfish actually you are the one who is whining, cos if you care a bit about this game stop your lies about disable FC killing this game cos of what i see FC disable will make this game alive pretty soon once the new expansion kicks in.

new classes ppl will be trying them out dev made them quests and lot of work so that you can make him live in snowy village and lvl to 100 directly? nah it better this way now ppl will try new classes lowbies area will be filled with ppl doing quests again.

maybe you don't see it now that the FC disable about to revive the game big time but wait till the new expansion FC disable right now playing big roll in that expansion and it will make the game alive, new players will come see ppl playing and doing quests they stay and make friends while lvling up same way, unlike they come see ghost towns they be like oh well this game boring i feel like playing single player RPG game.

so if you care about the game then look into future and stop lying about game dying cos you selfish and don't wanna do quests just wanna power lvl and be highest lvl in few days what kind of game is this... real game is where you work hard to gain something.

didn't you guys also been whining that cash shopers get everything and nothing left for free players? well there is something for free players and new players its called both sides isn't able to buy lvls unless its oracle which cost alot and still need little work. and yeah i'm not 105/105/105 i just get exp with dailies and PV is part of the dailies doesnt have to do 2348723 run just couple runs a day will be enough for you.

ppl used to do zhen if anyone know that why don't you do that? ppl did full delta's for exp do that too you can make squad and do it you may also help some ppl with their culti that they never finding squad to do it, why you have too many quests in your quest available list? make it empty it feels good read the stories this game is about story and to live the game not just LVL UP > GET R9RR > troll ppl that you are OP.

WannaBM - Archosaur · October 2014

Yes in the future it might be good, the least chosen option b:surrender

Father_gold - Sanctuary · October 2014

Notgood - Raging Tide wrote: »

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yeah....no. that doesnt make any sense. players with alts (many have at least one alt account) will not sit there and quest just because FCC is disabled, that does not match any current logic in how the game is set up.

FCC is not the only exp farm in the game, just the most accessible and unlimited one. players who are well established will still lvl rather quickly FCC or no if they are clever. or they will be able to solo all the lower content themselves leaving new players in the lurch still.

you are assuming that everyone that plays this game will embrace what YOU consider to be the way to play the game. this discussion is getting dumb as more people try to impress upon everyone else what should be THE way to play this game.

ppl should be able to play this game in whatever way they see fit as long as the rules are followed. just because YOU dont like FCC doesnt mean everyone else should not be allowed to use it.

listen, FCC has been a staple for so long, disabling it does nothing good for the community. it doesn't really lead to any benefit at all since dedicated ppl will still be able to lvl pretty fast. on the negative side it DOES garner a lot of resentment and add more weight to people's urge to leave this game. they were going to supply us with alternative exp sources but that is coming with the new expansion so we just have to wait 2 maybe 3-4 months.

zxshinobixz · October 2014

Notgood - Raging Tide wrote: »

i laugh when i see ppl saying 105/105/105 the one want FC disabled acting like they are greedy and selfish actually you are the one who is whining, cos if you care a bit about this game stop your lies about disable FC killing this game cos of what i see FC disable will make this game alive pretty soon once the new expansion kicks in.

new classes ppl will be trying them out dev made them quests and lot of work so that you can make him live in snowy village and lvl to 100 directly? nah it better this way now ppl will try new classes lowbies area will be filled with ppl doing quests again.

maybe you don't see it now that the FC disable about to revive the game big time but wait till the new expansion FC disable right now playing big roll in that expansion and it will make the game alive, new players will come see ppl playing and doing quests they stay and make friends while lvling up same way, unlike they come see ghost towns they be like oh well this game boring i feel like playing single player RPG game.

so if you care about the game then look into future and stop lying about game dying cos you selfish and don't wanna do quests just wanna power lvl and be highest lvl in few days what kind of game is this... real game is where you work hard to gain something.

didn't you guys also been whining that cash shopers get everything and nothing left for free players? well there is something for free players and new players its called both sides isn't able to buy lvls unless its oracle which cost alot and still need little work. and yeah i'm not 105/105/105 i just get exp with dailies and PV is part of the dailies doesnt have to do 2348723 run just couple runs a day will be enough for you.

ppl used to do zhen if anyone know that why don't you do that? ppl did full delta's for exp do that too you can make squad and do it you may also help some ppl with their culti that they never finding squad to do it, why you have too many quests in your quest available list? make it empty it feels good read the stories this game is about story and to live the game not just LVL UP > GET R9RR > troll ppl that you are OP.

I laugh at you because you are level 100 and you will never ever reach 105.
The top players in the game have multiple alts usually +10 level 100 alts.
They got an insane advantage now people will not be able to compete with them anymore so of course they happy.Yes they are greedy *******s!

Multiple alts = More FSP More BH more PV openers.
Now the gap have tripled between OP players and average players big time that you can not even imagine.

Also Quests EXP Sucks after level 80 is a complete waste of time.
Doing quest can be fun for your main but for your alt hell no.
We barely have time for our mains to have time for alts!
FSP+BH+Cube+ Lots of Dailies + full WS + TT Farming +Neuma farming + Doing Weekly event + doing Daily Events + PV+ NW + TW.

This damn game feels more demanding than a full time job! We have no time at all to play alts doing quests.
95% of pwi population is the same almost no new players coming and they will not come at all even without fc disabled that is just dumb to think that.From level 80 to level 95 PWI is a bore and thanks to FC i was pass that bore time fast!

Jadsia - Lost City · October 2014

Dutch_death - Heavens Tear wrote: »

oke but like i did say it cost money and high lvl wil qq that they have to play the game and find squad instead of running there new alts with the help of main most casshopers wil wanna have there moonfairy ore the other class asap in endgame gear they wont wanna play game for 1 year to lvl there new classes to 100 they wanna show off there awesome,s really fast and talk about in wc how fast they got r9 and how great they are so pwi wont risk that casshoppers are adored by pwi al is about keeping them happy and pwi profits also that way the faster they are 101 the faster pwi gets income from new zen buys for packs and r9 mats simple math pwi brings out new classes because most of the old one,s are now endagme so pwi wants more coin so bring in new calsses and get coin from packs and r9 sale,s its al about the money pwi forgot what it use to be a great game now its al about making money and gameplay is just necesarry evil but not as important as it was

I'm sure the PWI MMO you are running for profit has the perfect business model... oh wait.

I laugh at all these people QQing about hiow it's going to take forever to get to 100. My catshop is level 50 from level 1 a few months ago. it hasn't done a single frost or a single quest. It's been sitting in the same spot in Arch since I created it. leveling in the game is easier than ever.

Disabling hypers in FC was the best thing they ever did lately.

zxshinobixz · October 2014

Jadsia - Lost City wrote: »

I'm sure the PWI MMO you are running for profit has the perfect business model... oh wait.

I laugh at all these people QQing about hiow it's going to take forever to get to 100. My catshop is level 50 from level 1 a few months ago. it hasn't done a single frost or a single quest. It's been sitting in the same spot in Arch since I created it. leveling in the game is easier than ever.

Disabling hypers in FC was the best thing they ever did lately.

Ok Answer honestly do not lie at all.
How many level 100 characters you have?

Dutch_death - Heavens Tear · October 2014

Jadsia - Lost City wrote: »

I'm sure the PWI MMO you are running for profit has the perfect business model... oh wait.

I laugh at all these people QQing about hiow it's going to take forever to get to 100. My catshop is level 50 from level 1 a few months ago. it hasn't done a single frost or a single quest. It's been sitting in the same spot in Arch since I created it. leveling in the game is easier than ever.

Disabling hypers in FC was the best thing they ever did lately.

this wasnt about qq how long it take,s this was a response to a other reaction idc how long it take,s a hardly play pwi annymore but its a fact if they make new area so that no high lvl can help and also cant enter low lvl dungeons annymore a lot of cashoppers wil qq because most are arrogant and think they are better then a non cashop player so if they have to play the game actually with there alts and cant load there mains to run it trough mobs for alts yeah they wil qq simple fact look at how manny 101 toons pwrlvl there alts in ff so most got 1 main they lvl the old way and the rest are also pwrlvl noob alts now these same players say ff disabled is good so hypocritt what they say but yeah i agree it is good but should have been restricted to lvl 75 or higher if you lvl 75 and dont now how to play you never learn but on the fact ff gone my personall opion they should make pv also that you cant enter once with you toon so a check you entered once thats it otherwise we get pwrlvl pv noobs pwrlvl ra noobs who now pwrlvl further in pv so 105/105/105 r9s3 noobs o and pwi should take autoculti away and make gold max price 2 mill coins that would help pwi a lot and turn it back in to a game and not a cashop dream

Alissarose - Sanctuary · October 2014

Father_gold - Sanctuary wrote: »

are ppl still going to QQ about it? OH HELLZ YES!

LOL, This made my day.

Alissarose - Sanctuary · October 2014

Seriously all this whining about hypers and slow levelling. Geez, I've been in the game with a two year break since 2009 and my MAIN, yes MAIN is only lvl 88. Ya don't hear me winging about FCC, to be honest, I've never been in the place, never been in PV and until recently never did TT. I've done a few BH's along the way, but mainly I quest. There isnt enough quests, tho' . Running out of soloable quests b:sad . Starting Whine Mode ... I want MORE Quests...QQ End Whine Mode. b:chuckle

zacurry · October 2014

Alissarose - Sanctuary wrote: »

Seriously all this whining about hypers and slow levelling. Geez, I've been in the game with a two year break since 2009 and my MAIN, yes MAIN is only lvl 88. Ya don't hear me winging about FCC, to be honest, I've never been in the place, never been in PV and until recently never did TT. I've done a few BH's along the way, but mainly I quest. There isnt enough quests, tho' . Running out of soloable quests b:sad . Starting Whine Mode ... I want MORE Quests...QQ End Whine Mode. b:chuckle

This.
I also was away from game for about 2 years (had nothing to do with fc and hypers) and now coming back to game (also has nothing do with hypers being disabled from fc since I heard about it only when I got in to the game).
My main is lvl83. I got to that lvl with quests and bh runs.
I did try fc, about 3 times, so I am familiar with this subject.
I didn't find FC that much of fun...without actual teamwork and thinking you just brainlessly level up.
I enjoy quests and bhs a lot more than forever runing in one instance and then standing outside west arch all high and mighty.

I'm not saying that every player is the same and like same things! b:surrender
But imo you get more out of the game with meeting ppl, doing things together, failing in some instance and then trying again b:laugh
Also this is not a private server, you're not supposed to be lvl 105 and every possible thing done in a week.

Colum - Raging Tide · October 2014

It was definitely rhe right decision to remove hypers from FC if you ask me.

Could there have been other solutions? Yes. They could have restricted it as 75+ which would have been just fine as well. They could have made it 100+ and RB-access only. Removing hypers... works just as well, even better to be honest with you. If reaching level 100 causes you issues, you're in the wrong game in my opinion.

Have I ever FCd? Am I a mean hypocrite who has 105/105/105 main? Yes, I have FCd. It was, however, not my primary leveling source. I did not spam FCs daily, didnt even go in there every day on my barb if I didnt feel like it. I FCd even less on my sin and cleric, and the least on my mystic. The rest of my toons (80+) have been in FC once or twice max, or then not at all. Not to mention all the FC runs when I've simply forgot to hyper, went in just for the quests or the sincerity pack and Holeen's drops. Or just to practice. And as you can see, I am NOT 105/105/105, however my intention NEVER was to get that far with FC... PV works far better and dailies give you plenty of XP. So do certain AOE zhen areas...

It is true I am not in a rush to reach anything, though. I've played this game for a long time (longer than my forum join date or account creating date suggests, mind you). I am one of those players who stick to certain levels if I feel like my skills are behind or my gear isnt ready for leveling up. I am aware level 100 means easy coin but so does merchanting and little farming at lower levels, EVEN when all DQ will be 1 coin in the future. I enjoy the time I spend getting to 100.

Could I level up to 100 faster on my alts? Yes, yes I certainly could. Let's take a look at our options for the sources of XP, shall we?

- Phoenix Valley (30-44, 45-59, 60-74, 75-84, 85-94, 95+, 100+)

With openers, a squad (duo, trio, all 6, however you can make it) or just a single solo run once a day grants you good experience. Yes, non-rb toons CAN solo PV. Even the casters. I have tried. Especially the lower level ones are quite easy and people tend to squad up for 75+ PVs. Don't forget the extra token from Shroud!

- Crazy Stone (30+, If you have the money to spend)
- Quests (even the ones granting small xp may lead to a next one that gives more xp, not to mention the Coming of Age -chain and Morai quests)
- Morai, Morai xp orbs, Missive, EU (95+)
- AEU (100+)
- BHs (40+)

Yes yes, most BHs requie a squad. However, most GOOD factions WILL help you complete your BHs, if they don't, leave and go for another faction. Squads are often formed especially for BH 59+ in world chat and below that some of them are soloable, and some factions will have people who run them with you. BH 29 and 39 aare easy enough to duo, 51 too if you really try. 29 and 39 are even soloable, though 39 is time consuming alone.

- Divine orders (21+)
- Base Quest (xp 90+ unless u do wandering artist before)
- PQ (60+)
- Botting, grinding, zhenning
- Events: Tigers, CoA, Jungle Ruins etc
- Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta
- Cube of Fate (and you can go more than once with the letters... no, cube is not hard, just learn to do the rooms)
- Lucids (fantasy fruits, profundity scrolls...)
- Questmaster rewards
- Treasure Hunt (88k fee, I think 60+)
- Primals (after rb)
- FC (yes it still gives decent xp hyperless... get silkworms)
- Realm of Reflection
- Check-In
- Oracles, scrolls, Wanteds etc.

And I'm sure I forgot something.

Sure, your time is limited, that is why you pick the most suitable (or the most fun!) options for you.

Jadsia - Lost City · October 2014

zxshinobixz wrote: »

Ok Answer honestly do not lie at all.
How many level 100 characters you have?

I have only 1 char level 100+ and it's this veno. This veno is my main and the only char I use to do anything outside a catshop. I have 3 other chars less than level 20 I use to help open HH (Yes we still call it that on Lost City server) and catshops in other cities than arch.

Alissarose - Sanctuary wrote: »

Seriously all this whining about hypers and slow levelling. Geez, I've been in the game with a two year break since 2009 and my MAIN, yes MAIN is only lvl 88. Ya don't hear me winging about FCC, to be honest, I've never been in the place, never been in PV and until recently never did TT. I've done a few BH's along the way, but mainly I quest. There isnt enough quests, tho' . Running out of soloable quests b:sad . Starting Whine Mode ... I want MORE Quests...QQ End Whine Mode. b:chuckle

zacurry wrote: »

This.
I also was away from game for about 2 years (had nothing to do with fc and hypers) and now coming back to game (also has nothing do with hypers being disabled from fc since I heard about it only when I got in to the game).
My main is lvl83. I got to that lvl with quests and bh runs.
I did try fc, about 3 times, so I am familiar with this subject.
I didn't find FC that much of fun...without actual teamwork and thinking you just brainlessly level up.
I enjoy quests and bhs a lot more than forever runing in one instance and then standing outside west arch all high and mighty.

I'm not saying that every player is the same and like same things! b:surrender
But imo you get more out of the game with meeting ppl, doing things together, failing in some instance and then trying again b:laugh
Also this is not a private server, you're not supposed to be lvl 105 and every possible thing done in a week.

These 2 get it. It is said that the next expansion which is currently live on PWCN includes some more quests for 8x+. In a few months we should have it live here along with a new race and city and 2 new classes.

Melindasa - Raging Tide · October 2014

ZentDreigon - Raging Tide wrote: »

Oh, great! Another poll for alts to answer.

^ this

zxshinobixz · October 2014

Colum - Raging Tide wrote: »

It was definitely rhe right decision to remove hypers from FC if you ask me.

Could there have been other solutions? Yes. They could have restricted it as 75+ which would have been just fine as well. They could have made it 100+ and RB-access only. Removing hypers... works just as well, even better to be honest with you. If reaching level 100 causes you issues, you're in the wrong game in my opinion.

Have I ever FCd? Am I a mean hypocrite who has 105/105/105 main? Yes, I have FCd. It was, however, not my primary leveling source. I did not spam FCs daily, didnt even go in there every day on my barb if I didnt feel like it. I FCd even less on my sin and cleric, and the least on my mystic. The rest of my toons (80+) have been in FC once or twice max, or then not at all. Not to mention all the FC runs when I've simply forgot to hyper, went in just for the quests or the sincerity pack and Holeen's drops. Or just to practice. And as you can see, I am NOT 105/105/105, however my intention NEVER was to get that far with FC... PV works far better and dailies give you plenty of XP. So do certain AOE zhen areas...

It is true I am not in a rush to reach anything, though. I've played this game for a long time (longer than my forum join date or account creating date suggests, mind you). I am one of those players who stick to certain levels if I feel like my skills are behind or my gear isnt ready for leveling up. I am aware level 100 means easy coin but so does merchanting and little farming at lower levels, EVEN when all DQ will be 1 coin in the future. I enjoy the time I spend getting to 100.

Could I level up to 100 faster on my alts? Yes, yes I certainly could. Let's take a look at our options for the sources of XP, shall we?

- Phoenix Valley (30-44, 45-59, 60-74, 75-84, 85-94, 95+, 100+)

With openers, a squad (duo, trio, all 6, however you can make it) or just a single solo run once a day grants you good experience. Yes, non-rb toons CAN solo PV. Even the casters. I have tried. Especially the lower level ones are quite easy and people tend to squad up for 75+ PVs. Don't forget the extra token from Shroud!

- Crazy Stone (30+, If you have the money to spend)
- Quests (even the ones granting small xp may lead to a next one that gives more xp, not to mention the Coming of Age -chain and Morai quests)
- Morai, Morai xp orbs, Missive, EU (95+)
- AEU (100+)
- BHs (40+)

Yes yes, most BHs requie a squad. However, most GOOD factions WILL help you complete your BHs, if they don't, leave and go for another faction. Squads are often formed especially for BH 59+ in world chat and below that some of them are soloable, and some factions will have people who run them with you. BH 29 and 39 aare easy enough to duo, 51 too if you really try. 29 and 39 are even soloable, though 39 is time consuming alone.

- Divine orders (21+)
- Base Quest (xp 90+ unless u do wandering artist before)
- PQ (60+)
- Botting, grinding, zhenning
- Events: Tigers, CoA, Jungle Ruins etc
- Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta
- Cube of Fate (and you can go more than once with the letters... no, cube is not hard, just learn to do the rooms)
- Lucids (fantasy fruits, profundity scrolls...)
- Questmaster rewards
- Treasure Hunt (88k fee, I think 60+)
- Primals (after rb)
- FC (yes it still gives decent xp hyperless... get silkworms)
- Realm of Reflection
- Check-In
- Oracles, scrolls, Wanteds etc.

And I'm sure I forgot something.

Sure, your time is limited, that is why you pick the most suitable (or the most fun!) options for you.

You give lots of alternatives but what is the major flaw?
They require a lot of time.
I barely have time with my main no way I am gonna have time to do all that.
If I spend all that time my main will be left behind yet again.
if you do not play your main for 3 hours - 5 hours a day you going to get behind badly

Also is so unfair to speed 200- 300 hours to level an alt to 100 when someone else spend less than 20- 30 hours to do that.

DionDagger - Dreamweaver · October 2014

Colum - Raging Tide wrote: »

Sure, your time is limited, that is why you pick the most suitable (or the most fun!) options for you.

The most fun option is not taking 1-2 weeks to get through 5 levels on an alt.

Euthymius - Heavens Tear · October 2014

zxshinobixz wrote: »

You give lots of alternatives but what is the major flaw?
They require a lot of time.
I barely have time with my main no way I am gonna have time to do all that.
If I spend all that time my main will be left behind yet again.
if you do not play your main for 3 hours - 5 hours a day you going to get behind badly

Also is so unfair to speed 200- 300 hours to level an alt to 100 when someone else spend less than 20- 30 hours to do that.

>I actually have to invest time into these characters!
Isn't that a shame...if your main is such a huge priority then don't bother with them or only do so when you've got the time for it.

>I don't wanna be left behind!
Its a game, not an arms race. If you want to keep up, then focus on that and ask faction/friends for buffs, openers or whatever else. If you REALLY are set on making a "buff toon"/opener then a time investment is worth the effort isn't it? Its all for your benefit and its not even a necessity. If its just an alt to be played for fun or other reasons, then I'm sure that you can find time to play it now and then when you're bored/tired of your main.

>Unfair...!

Lots of things were unfair. Remember the Orb and Goons stuff? People moved on from it. This is just another thing to be tallied to the "take advantage of it while you can" scoreboard.

POL, was it right to remove FC hypers ?

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