Oh Crimson...

Viktorian - Archosaur wrote: »

instead of oh crimson this thread should be titled oh harshlands

Don't be hatin'. Yesterday I realized Harshlands single-handedly taught me a valuable life lesson, one that more than pays for all the time I invested in this game. It taught me that one of the worst things you could possibly do to yourself is be delusional and lie to yourself, constantly feeding yourself excuses or blatant lies as to why you are the good guy, why you're superior, why you're not a hypocrite, why you're not a liar or a platorea of other conflicts I've seen on Harshlands over the years. Such lies to yourself only hinder you, make you incapable of improving yourself or moving forward in your life (financially, socially, in terms of happiness or otherwise) and incapable of adapting, and they also serve as excuses that allow you to act like an *** while being in full denial that you are one. Make no mistake, if all the people on Harshlands met in real life at a convention or something, very very VERY few would have legitimate reasons to dislike one another (faction grudges would by no means be a legitimate reason) and yet I guarentee you none of these people would make an effort in such a situation to socialize with people opposing their faction, having convinced themselves those people are losers CAUSE ONLY LOSERS WOULD OPPOSE ME IN A VIDEO GAME! Then you've got a room full of people acting like petty children, and they're none the wiser to how stupid they look because they're all feeding themselves lies and excuses as to why the behavior is acceptable.

Sure, Harshlands taught me that accidently by being a prime example of what happens when you lie to yourself...I've met pathological liars (at least three) who are in full denial about what their lives are like, people who realize they're addicted to such games and it's killing the quality of their life out of game and yet they STILL can't manage to pull away and do something about it (and still can't to this day), people who need this server as an ego stroke and opportunity to compare themselves to others and name themselves superior (even now in this state of the game when a card set means no one even has a REALISTIC opportunity to compete with you anyways) and constantly run around accusing others of arrogance (and this same group has a terrible habit of not knowing what they want, seeking instant gratification, ultimately resulting in a lot of money being tossed at the screen), and several more who just act petty and childish just cause they've convinced themselves opponent #47 is a terrible person. And make no mistake, I'm not targeting any one faction, these problems exist amongst them all.
Still, it's a valuable life lesson that makes me thankful for having been here. C:


Let's just hope others catch the **** on....

PWI was kind of fun last christmas when Dark had some great back-and-forths between Infa, but yeah that didn't really last long.

And I swear, Infa was trying their best during that time to suck all the fun out of pvp. It definitely worked, and most people just said "*** it" and stopped playing rather than having to try to work so hard at "having fun" in a game.

kindergarten.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

Why? I kinda love see Eoria complain they don't have fun TW while they are actually the cause of their boring TW. They are too powerful to get any challenge, the only real option would be to split Infa in 2 guilds, but Infa are too scare of losing their in game power to take a risk to get some fun TW.

It's not just Infamous's fault. The lower-classed guilds (which is literally everybody else) either need to ban the hell up, or learn to freaking play. Even some of the higher-geared player suck *** when it comes to PvP.

People refuse to hanker down and admit that they suck at their class. What's more, they don't even bother learning other people's classes, so that they're prepared for surprises. They won't ask for advice or help because they think because they're X level with X gear, they're already on top. People have waaaaaaaaaay more confidence in their ability....than they actually have ability.
...Which is complete bullsh*t.

Like, I know I'm severely out of practice and severely undergeared, and my PvP skills? I haven't had equal-gear PvP since I was about level 90...not RB'd. And by observing other Psychics, I've already learned some sh*t. I'm not really afraid to admit I'm not the best Psychic on this server.

Other people need to realize that they shouldn't be resenting people who are "better" than they are, but instead learn from them. It's how you improve and defeat your opponents. Even a R9rr can mess up to a point where someone can take advantage of it. Who cares if that person is an a$s-hat? You don't have to pick curtains with them, just watch what they do in certain scenarios you might be having trouble with. If they're talented at what they do, learn something from it.

Fighting in a TW is not just a one person thing. You can't have a Rank/G16 guild and only half of them know how to really play, and expect for yourselves to have a majority of wins. People need to own the hell up and admit that they don't know everything; learn from their mistakes and the mistakes of other people. If you notice someone needs improvement, don't just tell them about it, go out there and practice with them in a way that doesn't make them feel like a loser.

Because for the most part, it's not even that most of the guilds are out-geared: It's that they're OUT-CLASSED. The bulk of Infamous already knows how to play their class (and others) and they play them WELL. (Don't even deny it either.)
And by watching them in PvP situations, you can learn what patterns they use in combat so that if you face them yourselves, you'll know what to expect and therefore be prepared for what they might throw at you. Themoreyouknow.gif

Hell, you don't even have to look at Infamous or other guilds to learn either--go to Lost City, watch them.

There are other options to this TW issue. Could Infamous disband into smaller guilds? Sure, but do you really think they have the balls for that? No. Do I personally feel like we should have to get up to their standards? Not really.
But when have we ever really gone up to those standards?

....Because even Zulu was defeated by Zulu, not Crimson.

So really, there's never been a victory against these guys that wasn't instrumented by themselves. The rest of us SHOULD be able to ban together into a major guild and just beat the **** out of them, but we don't, for reasons previously stated.

And Longknife is correct--there really isn't a real reason we should hate one another. I thought I hated Dark and Infamous before I started talking to them. Even when I was in Mayhem (most) of them didn't really treat me any worse than when I'd joined their ranks. Hell, some of them even taught me how to improve myself in PvP just by tweaking some things.

So....I don't really get all the guild grudges. Seems weird to me, since according to stereotypes we are all fat nerds living in our basements feeding off Mt. Dew and still at home with our parents. Let's all be overweight and lonely together!

Bottom line though, that's just the ultimatum--we either Miracle Grow some gonads, or Infamous disbands.

People do know that the majority of Infamous is made up of those who have never been in catalyst/zulu right? Only like 10 or so are still in Infamous and were from those guilds. Also Crimson has some old catalyst/zulu members of its own...should really refer to us as Infamous only not previous guilds xD.

trollerest wrote: »

Or all the people who dont like the way the server is can quit harshlands and join another one. Will be better and more productive then responses on the forums the size of novels. People have been blaming the infamous (cata, zulu etc..) crew for the past 5 years. Nothing has changed. Same crying and complaining every 6 months or so.

1. Quit.
2. Change servers.
3. Live with it.

These are the only things anyone can really do. No one is gonna nut up and get a super faction together to beat infamous.

IMO people don't band together because it's simply not fun to dismantle a faction you've been in for the past few years just to beat Infa. Infa core have played this game pretty much everyday for several hours a day for the past several years, and other people simply don't have that kind of ability/time/resources to dedicate to a game.

Why do that when you can just fight vs other factions, have more fun, and get to stay with your faction, as well as not having to deal with the stupid politics involved when trying to fight Infa?

It's not like infa even pvp's, the vast majority of pvp I had when I played was vs Bankaigod/mayhem/Crimson. Infa's only real significance is TW, and not enough people care about that anymore.

im still kinda surprised this hasnt gotten closed.

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

As for "oh you guys should break up the guild", why don't you go ask Crimson to break up their guild as well?

Cause it's not Crimson that keep complaining about the lack of fun TW.

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

@Longknife - If chaos had not done what he did

Would you ****ing listen to yourself for one ****ing second of your sorry *** life Eoria? Harshlands knows damned well I'll speak my mind if I get pushed to, and you better think REEEEAAAAAL long and hard if you really want a piece of my mind girl, cause damn it sounds like you need a wake up call.

I have no idea where you even pull Curses into this or where you think this is about WizSoul more than Jekel. INFACT it'd be the other way around IMO. Curses has jack all to do with this and I DO NOT EVEN PLAY. Last convo I had with Curses? You can ask him yourself. I'd heard through the grapevine he and Jekel fought or something and wasn't sure if that were true or if it were wishful thinking from some other guild (like Crimson). Either way, I wanted to check in because - ask again - I blatantly warned Curses about what killed Dark and what he could expect from the members you guys took in. When I heard that grapevine rumor I'd checked in out of fear Jekel maybe listened to WizSoul a little more than he would be wise to and that caused some fight. NONE of you deserve to be playthings for a pathological liar; I checked in to help. I checked in because - big ****ing surprise - there's not a soul within this game I hold a personal grudge against. Despite how much the guy seems to insist I hate him, he's waaaaaay off. Curses plays to win and he's selfish IMO. At least within the context of this game. He also seems to have this need to constantly re-assure himself that he's amazing, which often leads to disrespecting people within his own team. That he and I were in opposing guilds isn't a matter of personal hate or something, but a matter of disagreeing with some of the things he did via his leadership. No, I'm sorry, I cannot give rigamortiz or dust great the middle finger and treat them like subhuman scum upon Zulu disbanding; whether I have criticisms of them or not, they still helped and were on the same team as me, so treating them like that solely because I think they're subpar players? Doesn't feel right.
In a nutshell, I opposed infamous because infamous/catalyst/Zulu ensured the same group kept getting all the coin, resulting in the imbalance we have now (well, some of it was obviously achieved other ways). I wanted coin spread more evenly. Not because I'm a goodie two-shoes carebear, but because even wealth distribution equals better competition equals a healthier server. Had catalyst or infamous been toppled and disbanded and, for example, curses found himself in an underdog group trying to fight ANOTHER group hogging coin, I'd probably have gone back to fight alongside him. None of it personal animosity, merely an understanding that the server will be better off if coin isn't sucked up by an elite few.

And WizSoul? Not someone to hate, someone to pity. Countless psychological studies have shown pathological liars to have a different brain chemistry and more white matter, and it's often debated if it should be diagnosed as a mental illness. There's no getting through to or changing such a persons so I wouldn't even bother trying to expect better from her.





My focus? My speeches? It's to people like Jekel. And to people like you who so adamantly and biasly state that your side is doing nothing wrong.


Think back real hard. When chaos was the lone criminal? He was your scapegoat. He was the one everyone and their mother in infamous got on world chat about and claimed he was the reason that Dark won PK or events or TW or whatever. Listen, I know it may be hard to believe now, but I'm sorry we had him. I was kept in the dark (lol pun) about the exact way he got that and was fed a slightly different story, but no I never liked the concept. If I were leader? We might a dropped him, might not've. You wanna know why?


Because everyone's a hypocrite. You mean to tell me infamous wouldn't have recruited him had we done that....?



And that's exactly why you and much of infa (though it seems many are kept in the dark) are, IMO, so pathetic. Because the reality, as we see, is that these weren't complaints because what chaos did was unfair, these were complaints because what he did was unfair and he did it while being in a guild that wasn't infamous. THAT'S my issue, THAT'S my rant. Because you wanna sit there and claim your **** don't stink, when in reality it's the exact same odor as everyone else.
And really, the current events weren't neccesary to prove the hypocrisy. I mean really, is it any secret on this forum that WizSoul screenshots EVERYTHING like some desperate little sorority girl seeking baby's first spotlight? Jekel would have to be highly naive to think no one knew he was asking how to get a Crown of Madness or Nuema set. Yes Jekel, this is what happens when you befriend someone solely on the grounds you share a common enemy; sometimes you should probably hear your enemy out cause it might hold merit. Fun fact: Gyrovague tipped me off eons ago that WizSoul has issues with lying before the "BUT UR SO ARROGANT I BET U GOT IT ALL FIGURED OUT AND WONT LISTEN TO ME" line, and that exact tip-off actually helped me figure out who was telling the truth when WizSoul and Manii pointed fingers at each other.



But here you are, and what's your attitude? What's the attitude of infamous? Point the finger. "PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY? ARE YOU MAD? THIS IS THE GM'S FAULT FOR NOT BABYSITTING US ENOUGH AND CHAOS FAULT FOR SETTING A BAD EXAMPLE." Oh, excuse me for expecting you to have the maturity of an adult. My mistake.

Mind you, you're correct that crimson has done this too. And they should also refrain from it. However, I happen to know they DID actually do it in response to Jekel and wizsoul. Your side didn't do it because of chaos, your side did it because they're so fixated on winning AT ALL COSTS that they sit there and try to think tank all these little tricks up round the clock. This is by no means the first time infamous has been involved with exploiting the hell out of a promotion or hole in the game. Mind you I'm not excusing crimson, but I AM saying you'd do well to focus on yourselves for once, because if you constantly point the finger, you'll never get around to it.

That's what this is about. And while at the end of the day this is all a game and who cares? I fear that a lot of you sadly act exactly the same offline....or you never DO go offline.




And yet here you are, throwing up excuses like it's your job, all in a pathetic attempt to avoid personal responsibility, excuse the (equally as despicable) actions of your team or claim a moral high ground. FFS you would even rather eat up some ****ty excuse that "that Longknife guy who doesn't play the game anymore spends every night planning to kill Curses" rare than go back and read that post he made for you and realize, plain as day, that that post is by no means focused on you. You'd rather sit there eating those bull**** excuses with a **** eating grin saying "nomnomnom please shove more fecal matter in my mouth" than face reality, BECUZ REALITY IS RLY SCURRY. You'd rather blissfully believe that any rumors that infa has referred to you as a "lost dog who we can't get rid of" when you're not in vent channel (and don't worry, by no means are you the only one that gets trashed when the door is closed) are all lies and slander concocted by a bunch of people who are PURE EVIL rather than pulling an Occam's razor to that **** and thinking "o hey maybe my friends are kinda dicks and our friendship isn't that meaningful."

FFS in some ways I wish I'd held onto a screenshot WizSoul sent me of Jekel saying "WELL THEN WE CANT BE FRENS ANYMORE!!!" when Dark first bid infamous just so I could show you all how stupid and pathetic you all look, but then I know that I've spent years trying to make people be more self-aware of their personal faults and it's rarely ever worked, so it probably wouldn't here.


Stop living in denial.
Stop making excuses.
Stop avoiding personal responsibility. (That goes for owning up to the tactics of your team, too)
Get a ****ing life. Playing and loving this game is fine; letting this game turn you into a petty child is not.


Have fun everyone.

You guys ever stop to think that your massive posts (which reflects how you are in the actual game), is why harshlands is the way it is?

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Sweet baby jesus. You people care so much about what someone else says. Are your lives that uneventful? Are they that null and void of any human contact? Grow the **** up.

I honestly will feel sorry for you people when real life problems pop up for you. You all gonna drop to the ground and throw a ****** temper tantrum like a kid. Just make sure you have some telecustics in your pocket so that people can hear you.

Chaos gave dark a fighting chance, tbh. Did he ruin PvP? Sure he did. I couldn't help but feel disappointed whenever Chaos joined and made a pvp fight lopsided, but the truth is that Infa had more than enough geared, skilled, and active players to easily counter him.

The real problem is that the server needed a player like chaos to make the balance between factions even half-way decent.

Why does 1 faction have pretty much a monopoly on the server's endgame-cata-capable barbs?

In an ideal world, players would sort themselves out to balance TW, but the majority of HL's endgame population simply aren't interested in healthy competition, and would rather just sit on their mountains of coin and farm dailies instead.

PWI is a pvp-oriented game. That's where the game shines. PVE in this game is an absolute joke, but people play this game for pve and "progress" simply because they are ignorant of what's possible nowadays in gaming in regards to relevant and interesting content. (it's also the fault of PWI as well, because of how much gear gap and barriers to entry to be competitive they introduced).

Bans are not to be discussed on the forums.

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

Why you no-show TW? ):

*Shooting rubberbands at Eoria*

Very nice to still see you playing dear... and I see LongKnife is still playing also. (*tossing a waterballoon at LongKnife*).

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

Posting on a forum doesn't mean people still play. =3

Very true... b:laugh

Kywe - Harshlands wrote: »

+1 b:laugh

HI KIWI. b:cute