Is there any guaranteed way to Obtain Rank9 Gear in under a year?
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Really? You wouldn't be just saying that to Contradict my point are you? For instance, i have a conversation with someone about Ligers, the offspring of a lion and tiger, we disagree about what the diet of this animal may be. and the guy says "oh i know, i used to own a liger" It's easy to say it. Be lucky you're not that Disney character who nose grows when he tells a lie.WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »Yes its guaranteed. I have never ever had an item that i did not manage to sell at a profit.
And even if i would, that would not diminish the long term profit guarantees of merching. Poker is a chance based game. I made a living for 5 years doing it. I was guaranteed to having an income even though id lose like 47% and win like 53%.
you lost 47% But above you said you "Never had an item you couldnt make a profit on" Which means you never took a Loss from any item. Im confused.0 -
mechabeastmc666 wrote: »Really? You wouldn't be just saying that to Contradict my point are you? For instance, i have a conversation with someone about Ligers, the offspring of a lion and tiger, we disagree about what the diet of this animal may be. and the guy says "oh i know, i used to own a liger" It's easy to say it. Be lucky you're not that Disney character who nose grows when he tells a lie.
you lost 47% But above you said you "Never had an item you couldnt make a profit on" Which means you never took a Loss from any item. Im confused.
Do you not see i was talking about poker ?
And i said "even if i did" Please try to understand english before you spew ****. Now stop trolling ****** kid.Everything i write is from PvE perspective unless mentioned otherwise.0 -
Im not trolling. Stop Lieing. "I've never took a loss on any item i bought" Dont make me laugh. -snip-WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »Do you not see i was talking about poker ?
And i said "even if i did" Please try to understand english before you spew ****. Now stop trolling ****** kid.0 -
mechabeastmc666 wrote: »If you use your hand to touch your face you are Guaranteed to feel your face.
There is no guarantee that if you take your hand and touch your face, you will feel it. There a bazillion assumptions that need to be met, before that action can happen. There are lots of things that are conditional that need to work in sync that need to work to make that happen.
Just because things are minor, there is no guarantee in this world that it will happen.mechabeastmc666 wrote: »IF you do the jolly old jones quest and complete it, depending on what lvl you are, you are Guaranteed to get Coins for that quest.
PWI = bugged, just because you get the reward 99.9999% of the time, does not mean, you get the reward every time.
What if you do the quest when server shuts down. On the client side, the quest filled shows up, but that info is not sent to the server, and you do not get your quest reward, what do you? What happens if at the time of submission you dc? What if there is a massive lag spike and your request is timed out?
There is no guarantee to anything in pwi. We just hope we get things.
You are not aware of the concept of risk, and reward acquired to compensate oneself for taking risk. Once you learn what risk is, you might not want to move or live. Because everything out there is trying to end our existence b:dirty.0 -
a billion assumptions that need to be met like what? What prevents you from taking your hand and touching your face from feeling it? Keep in mind i said your face. Not touching a Mask or something. also if you do the quest and the server shuts down, You get the guaranteed reward when you logg back on. the quest filled wont show up because your Turning in a quest, not collecting a new one. I guarantee that if you do JoJ quest you will receive your Coin reward. So does the GMs.Jaabg - Sanctuary wrote: »There is no guarantee that if you take your hand and touch your face, you will feel it. There a bazillion assumptions that need to be met, before that action can happen. There are lots of things that are conditional that need to work in sync that need to work to make that happen.
Just because things are minor, there is no guarantee in this world that it will happen.
PWI = bugged, just because you get the reward 99.9999% of the time, does not mean, you get the reward every time.
What if you do the quest when server shuts down. On the client side, the quest filled shows up, but that info is not sent to the server, and you do not get your quest reward, what do you? What happens if at the time of submission you dc? What if there is a massive lag spike and your request is timed out?
There is no guarantee to anything in pwi. We just hope we get things.
You are not aware of the concept of risk, and reward acquired to compensate oneself for taking risk. Once you learn what risk is, you might not want to move or live. Because everything out there is trying to end our existence b:dirty.0 -
When I read discussion like these, I'm more than happy to be a low geared player. O_O[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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-Do FSP daily
-Do Cube daily
That's an easy 10m with 1hr of playing time.
Auto-Cultivate the other 23hrs and you'll get around another 8m
18m a day, spending 1hr on game, pretty much anyone can afford r9 in under 6 months.
Spend a month or two and lvl up an alt to 100 and rebirth it, multi client the fsp and cube runs, will still take an hour for both on average. Auto-culti 2 chars for 23hrs a day.
36m a day, r9 in under 3 months, playing around 30hrs a month.
Or just get a job that you work 7hrs a week at minimum wage for 3months and you'll be r9 lolz0 -
mechabeastmc666 wrote: »a billion assumptions that need to be met like what? What prevents you from taking your hand and touching your face from feeling it? Keep in mind i said your face. Not touching a Mask or something. also if you do the quest and the server shuts down, You get the guaranteed reward when you logg back on. the quest filled wont show up because your Turning in a quest, not collecting a new one. I guarantee that if you do JoJ quest you will receive your Coin reward. So does the GMs.
Can you move all the muscles required to make the action? Are all the nerve endings working properly along every part of the body that will be interacting?
The above two statements will take care of a few bazillion assumptions on their own.
Once you have that satisfied, we move to the conditional phase.
Are all the muscles required to make this operation that are depended on other muscles, working properly?
That will take care of some conditional things.
You have to assume you are on planet earth, with all the constants of planet earth present to do the above task of touching your face.
You also have to assume someone will not stop you.
You also have to assume you will be alive during the complete duration of this exercise.
The list is endless, just because you don't see them, think about does not mean they do not exist in helping you complete your movement.0 -
i guess Minus the time it took to get 100RB for FSP. Advanced cube doesnt earn you any R9 money with the current price of COGs on our dreamweaver server. as for Botting, Where do i bot? Which mobs give me the Promised 8m? Is it the 95+ mobs in moria that you are unable to farm unless you have g16+ gear? g15 if your a sin? A month to lvl up an alt to 100RB? Is this with or Without spending a dime on the game? aside from all of that, i know for a Fact you cashed your set.Kalopsia - Dreamweaver wrote: »-Do FSP daily
-Do Cube daily
That's an easy 10m with 1hr of playing time.
Auto-Cultivate the other 23hrs and you'll get around another 8m
18m a day, spending 1hr on game, pretty much anyone can afford r9 in under 6 months.
Spend a month or two and lvl up an alt to 100 and rebirth it, multi client the fsp and cube runs, will still take an hour for both on average. Auto-culti 2 chars for 23hrs a day.
36m a day, r9 in under 3 months, playing around 30hrs a month.
Or just get a job that you work 7hrs a week at minimum wage for 3months and you'll be r9 lolz0 -
mechabeastmc666 wrote: »i guess Minus the time it took to get 100RB for FSP. Advanced cube doesnt earn you any R9 money with the current price of COGs on our dreamweaver server. as for Botting, Where do i bot? Which mobs give me the Promised 8m? Is it the 95+ mobs in moria that you are unable to farm unless you have g16+ gear? g15 if your a sin? A month to lvl up an alt to 100RB? Is this with or Without spending a dime on the game? aside from all of that, i know for a Fact you cashed your set.
From the sounds of it, you just want to play the game for absolutely free, without spending a cent and expect to have r9 with the least amount of effort.
Spend $10 to 20 a month (about the cost of subscription based MMO before companies implemented the horrible F2P idea) and it will go a long way to helping get your r9Malice Leader - Raging Tides
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IF You touch your face with your hand you will feel your face, there isnt any face sensory nerves that could get destroyed. IF you are unable to Move your hand, You wouldn't be touching your face to began with. Anyone Dead wouldn't be touching Their face, i never gave a set amount of time your hand has to be connected to your face. You either Die before or After touching your face, if you Die while doing it, You still did it none the less,even if it was a short time. The somebody stopping you part is a variable, Such as: are you alone or around the face-touching bandit? You recognize the variables here but act as if they dont exist in other things, Like merchanting. Alot of things to stop you from touching your face, But a more difficult action such as Merchanting in a video game is suppose to have 0?Jaabg - Sanctuary wrote: »Can you move all the muscles required to make the action? Are all the nerve endings working properly along every part of the body that will be interacting?
The above two statements will take care of a few bazillion assumptions on their own.
Once you have that satisfied, we move to the conditional phase.
Are all the muscles required to make this operation that are depended on other muscles, working properly?
That will take care of some conditional things.
You have to assume you are on planet earth, with all the constants of planet earth present to do the above task of touching your face.
You also have to assume someone will not stop you.
You also have to assume you will be alive during the complete duration of this exercise.
The list is endless, just because you don't see them, think about does not mean they do not exist in helping you complete your movement.0 -
mechabeastmc666 wrote: »i guess Minus the time it took to get 100RB for FSP. Advanced cube doesnt earn you any R9 money with the current price of COGs on our dreamweaver server. as for Botting, Where do i bot? Which mobs give me the Promised 8m? Is it the 95+ mobs in moria that you are unable to farm unless you have g16+ gear? g15 if your a sin? A month to lvl up an alt to 100RB? Is this with or Without spending a dime on the game? aside from all of that, i know for a Fact you cashed your set.
Me having nice gear is your "Fact"? I can prove that I'm already ready and saving more for the next gear update. If you'd like some strong advice on strategic planning pm me in game in the afternoon and I'd be happy to give you some tips.0 -
mechabeastmc666 wrote: »IF You touch your face with your hand you will feel your face
That is where i am saying that you are assuming things. What if your nerves don't work. You can touch your face, but you won't feel it.
Your conditions are
1) Touch hand to face
2) Feel the skin
Both conditions need to be met. To you, if condition 1 is met, condition 2 is automatically met.
All i am pointing out, that may not be the case. You can not guarantee it. To guarantee the above two statements to come true, you need to assume things. The assumptions and conditions need to work together, once that happens, both the conditions are met, and only after that can you say, that if you touch your hand to the face, you will feel skin.
Is the above break down complicated?0 -
Break Down the variables that go into Merchanting. Oh yeah thats right. It's 0 right?Jaabg - Sanctuary wrote: »That is where i am saying that you are assuming things. What if your nerves don't work. You can touch your face, but you won't feel it.
Your conditions are
1) Touch hand to face
2) Feel the skin
Both conditions need to be met. To you, if condition 1 is met, condition 2 is automatically met.
All i am pointing out, that may not be the case. You can not guarantee it. To guarantee the above two statements to come true, you need to assume things. The assumptions and conditions need to work together, once that happens, both the conditions are met, and only after that can you say, that if you touch your hand to the face, you will feel skin.
Is the above break down complicated?0 -
mechabeastmc666 wrote: »Break Down the variables that go into Merchanting. Oh yeah thats right. It's 0 right?
Did you even read my post?
Do you even read your own argument?
Your argument = Touch hand to face = feel skin = not 0.
My argument = break down stuff = can be 0
Your argument = break down stuff for merchanting = 0 merchanting
Do you see the flaw? You are taking my side of the argument, you are not presenting your own.
If you do not see the flaw, the flaw is, you are against breaking things down, as present in your argument of touch hand to face and you will feel skin.
So why are you saying that if i break down merchanting into variables i get 0? I already told you that in my argument before.0 -
mechabeastmc666 wrote: »99.5 % of the people with R999 cashed it, the other 0.5 % Spent Years and years andYears to get theirs. Especially if you do it your Jolly old jones way.
i forgot to say, The jolly old jones is a good example of a Guaranteed way for coins. Merchanting Is not. Like you said, the NPC always gives you coins. Not rank9 coins but coins none the less.
Okay, 500 mil coins for doing 2 toons isn't money you could invest into R9 and that's if you only do the 71-80 one. If you add in the the 61-70 range one, you could make even more money in a year. Guaranteed. So let's heavily rely on JJ, shall we?
61-70 range is 131k for just talking to JJ. And then 73k per order. Which is 642000 per character in that range or 1,284,000 per day on 2 alts. Let's say it takes you a week to get two 61 level characters (just have one follow the other so you get them all in the same range. And let's say you have to also subtract the 2 weeks it took you to level the first 71-80 level alts.) That means that you end up with 3 weeks or 21 days you didn't earn any money from these alts. So you only earned money each day from them in this year for 344 days. That's an additional 441,696,000 mil a year. And again, having 2 alts run JJ is perfectly legal and valid and is in no way abusive. Now add that to the JJ money you received from the 71-80 level characters. Which if you remember from my last post is 543,348,000. That's 985,044,000 mil. That's quite a dent in R9. If you say r9 costs 3 billion, then amount of coin is approximately 33% of 3 bil, or 1/3rd of the way. How is getting guaranteed 1/3rd of the way in a year's time, not a legitimate source of coin for funding your r9?
Now let's look at nation wars which you personally valued at about 5 mil per week. There are 52 weeks but we have to remove say 3 months because you didn't bother entering until you were 100. You can make good tokens even on non-rebirthed, low level toons but whatever. Let's pretend you didn't. So 3 months is 12 weeks. So you earned 5 mil per week for 40 weeks. That's another 200,000,000. JJ actually out earned nation wars in your year's time. Anyway add that to your 985,044,000, and you get 1,185,044,000. You are now at approximately 39.5% of the way to Rank 9 and you haven't even done any farming, any botting, or any BH.
Botting,let's assume it took you 90 days (3 months) to get to 100. That's 275 days of botting. Let's say you get 5 mil a day on average. That's an additional 1,375,000,000 a year. Add that to your money from JJ and nation wars. You're now looking at 2,560,044,000 coins. Which is 85% of our 3 bil in on year goal. This doesn't depend on any seller and doesn't require exceptional gear, and actual relies on low level alts that actually have free gear.
Now we're gonna use your own figure for BH money, which is about 2 mil per week. Since you said earlier that nation wars was good for about 5 mil per week, and that your metaphorical bm earned 5-7 mil per week from NW+BH. 7mil-5 mil= 2 mil per week. And you only earned that money for 40 weeks because we have to give you time to get to 100. That's another 80,000,000 coins per year. You're now at 264,0044,000 coins. The only thing you've done is BH, Bot, Nation Wars and JJ.
Let's see if we can't get the rest of that money from a guaranteed source. Let's we decide to have more JJ alts. I'm leaning on JJ because he's a guaranteed source of income by your own admission, btw. You can only have 2 alts in a particular level range, so we now have to do 51-60 range. In that range you get 110k coins for talking to the NPC and 61k for each of the 7 orders completed. Which is 537k per character, and 1074000 per day on two toons. We'll subtract the 3 months (90 days) it took you to get to 100 on your main. The 2 weeks to get the 71-80 toons as well. So now we're looking at 104 days you didn't earn any JJ money from this range. And we'll say it took you a full week to get to level 51. That's another 7 days you didn't earn money from JJ because you didn't bother to do the lower level ones. That's 111 days you didn't earn money from these JJ twins in the 51-60 range. That still leaves you 254 days of JJ money. That's another 272,796,000 coins in a year's time. That's 2,912,840,000 coins in one years time. Which is approximately 97% of the money you need for R9.
The only thing you've done is spend a few hours a day doing BH on a single 100 toon and then JJ. Then weekly you do NW, and then you just leave your bot running while you sleep at night. Totally doable.
Now let's say you do tigers on a toon. And you are aiming for Bronze each week. Which is completely and totally doable on a class not that many people play, just doing quests. In fact, in all the times I did tigers on my level 80 seeker, I always managed to get Bronze. Let's say you only do this on one of your JJ alts because your BM can't hang with all the BMs attempting to do this event on the server, and therefore you don't have access to the level 96+ rewards from tigers from the bounty hunter. This means we can't take in account ecstasy cards from the mystic verdant jades. We can only get the bronze chests. You can start doing it on these alts at level 30. But let's say you only added in tigers after you finished levelling all these JJ and main up. So for 15 weeks you didn't bother with tigers. So for 37 weeks only you earned this prize. Each pack is worth 100k, so that means you earned 37 million coins. That's 2,949,840,000 billion coins now that you have.
You realize annoyed that you still aren't quite there yet. So you look toward JJ once again, only you no longer have time to do run these quests each day. So you can only pick up the first quest. We'll say it takes you four days to get two alts to level 41. And three days to get one two more alts to level 31. That's one more week to get these alts to a level you can just park them, on top of the 15 weeks it took you to get all those other toons levelled. That's 118 days you missed out on JJ. SO you only get to collect money from these alts for 247 days. Still you get 67k per character per day just for talking to the NPC in the 41 level range which means you get 134k per day. You also get 58k for talking to him in the 31 range. Which is 116k per day on these two alts. That's 250k per day for 260 days or 61,750,000 mil. That's 3,011,590,000.
You now have enough money to get r9 and you never farmed or merched. All you did was one weekly event (which you had **** luck at), BH (with bad luck), JJ and bot.0 -
I read the post, you're basically saying that Everything has variables in it to prevent it from happening. That in turn Means you agree with My ways that contradict people from Earning Money in this game Right? Im doing the exact same thing you did with the hand-to-face, Im explaining the different variables that could Go wrong. If you dont agree then My question to you is, What are the Variables in merchanting. Break merchanting down like you did the Hand-to-face.Jaabg - Sanctuary wrote: »Did you even read my post?
Do you even read your own argument?
Your argument = Touch hand to face = feel skin = not 0.
My argument = break down stuff = can be 0
Your argument = break down stuff for merchanting = 0 merchanting
Do you see the flaw? You are taking my side of the argument, you are not presenting your own.
If you do not see the flaw, the flaw is, you are against breaking things down, as present in your argument of touch hand to face and you will feel skin.
So why are you saying that if i break down merchanting into variables i get 0? I already told you that in my argument before.0 -
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Can i hire you as my manager for my finances and future planning b:dirty?mechabeastmc666 wrote: »I read the post, you're basically saying that Everything has variables in it to prevent it from happening. That in turn Means you agree with My ways that contradict people from Earning Money in this game Right? Im doing the exact same thing you did with the hand-to-face, Im explaining the different variables that could Go wrong. If you dont agree then My question to you is, What are the Variables in merchanting. Break merchanting down like you did the Hand-to-face.
Remember i mentioned risk earlier. Well guess what, you are taking a risk when your hand goes to touch your face and you feel skin.
If you can take that risk.
You can take the risk for merchanting.
Make sense now?
I do not agree with your point "contradict people from Earning Money in this game". That is your opinion.
Remember my opinion not = my argument. Those are two different entities i have.0 -
We are both on the same page then. I also agree that there is Risk involved merchanting.Jaabg - Sanctuary wrote: »Remember i mentioned risk earlier. Well guess what, you are taking a risk when your hand goes to touch your face and you feel skin.
If you can take that risk.
You can take the risk for merchanting.
Make sense now?
I do not agree with your point "contradict people from Earning Money in this game". That is your opinion.
Remember my opinion not = my argument. Those are two different entities i have.0 -
mechabeastmc666 wrote: »We are both on the same page then. I also agree that there is Risk involved merchanting.
So you can accept that it is possible that people who risk their money through merchanting can acquire r9 for free and within one year?0 -
Nope. The very definition defy it. What if people risked their money and things didnt go as planned. What if Nothing ever sold. No rank 9. And in this case the Risk/reward isnt equal,I think It's far more likely to Fail then succeed when Merchanting Therefore i dont consider it a option to get R9 gear in under a year.Jaabg - Sanctuary wrote: »So you can accept that it is possible that people who risk their money through merchanting can acquire r9 for free and within one year?0 -
mechabeastmc666 wrote: »Nope. The very definition defy it. What if people risked their money and things didnt go as planned. What if Nothing ever sold. No rank 9. And in this case the Risk/reward isnt equal,I think It's far more likely to Fail then succeed when Merchanting Therefore i dont consider it a option to get R9 gear in under a year.
We are not talking about you. We are talking about other people who are willing to take the risk. You apparently are not willing to take that risk.
But there is a flip side, what if they take the risk and it works out. The question is for the people taking this risk, is the reward worth the risk?
Out of curiosity, why do you think businesses operate in the real world? That is the same as merchanting.0 -
Indeed never make a loss. There is no risk, thats bullcrap.mechabeastmc666 wrote: »Im not trolling. Stop Lieing. "I've never took a loss on any item i bought" Dont make me laugh. -snip-
You buy MOGS, GSTS, DFpacks, ocean orbs.
All of them you will sell with profit guaranteed.Everything i write is from PvE perspective unless mentioned otherwise.0 -
WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »Indeed never make a loss. There is no risk, thats bullcrap.
You buy MOGS, GSTS, DFpacks, ocean orbs.
All of them you will sell with profit guaranteed.
It's just ironic, people don't see the connection between the items you listed and this topic b:mischievous0 -
Okay let's stop with the personal insults of failures, stupids, 5 year olds, etc.
Thanks.
Jaabg - Sanctuary wrote: »Can i hire you as my manager for my finances and future planning b:dirty?
I could teach you, but I'd have to charge.
LOL honestly the way I posted wasn't the best way, it's boring. I don't think most people would have the patience. I certainly do not. But it did take into account a BM that could only earn 5-7mil from BH and NW and couldn't rebirth for some reason. 
The botting figured could be achieved on a BM using freebie morai gear. 0 -
mechabeast... you have an opinion and that's great.... but if you keep up this constant insulting and harassing people for disagreeing with then this is getting closed.
Don't expect people to agree with you when they all know you're completely wrong and yet you continue posting incessantly trying to act like tired and proven hings don't work. Judging by your first post here, though, you never planned on any discussion and just came here to whine while not expecting everyone with the slightest amount of knowledge about the game and common sense to know you were wrong.(Insert fancy image here)
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I only insulted the people that Insulted me. Every insult i gave was against people who insulted Me First, "Called me idiots" and ect, But i guess you're going to ignore those people. You're the wrong one.mechabeast... you have an opinion and that's great.... but if you keep up this constant insulting and harassing people for disagreeing with then this is getting closed.
Don't expect people to agree with you when they all know you're completely wrong and yet you continue posting incessantly trying to act like tired and proven hings don't work. Judging by your first post here, though, you never planned on any discussion and just came here to whine while not expecting everyone with the slightest amount of knowledge about the game and common sense to know you were wrong.
Not one person i have harassed, They came to MY thread, and replied to MY post.0 -
mechabeastmc666 wrote: »I only insulted the people that Insulted me. Every insult i gave was against people who insulted Me First, "Called me idiots" and ect, But i guess you're going to ignore those people. You're the wrong one.
Not one person i have harassed, They came to MY thread, and replied to MY post.
And that was also removed by Kossy, so let's get back on topic.0 -
mechabeastmc666 wrote: »I only insulted the people that Insulted me. Every insult i gave was against people who insulted Me First, "Called me idiots" and ect, But i guess you're going to ignore those people. You're the wrong one.
Not one person i have harassed, They came to MY thread, and replied to MY post.
Looking at the very first reply on this forum who did nothing but attempted to help you out with your question, you started to attack and somewhat harass. Your attitude has been nothing but toxic towards anyone who dares to come up with concrete ideas, evidence and tactics to reach r9 within a year while remaining F2P. I'm honestly astounded to see people still trying to help you out after your 1st and ever following replies.
This isn't your site to command others, you're on pwi's territory with rules you have to comply with, even in "your" thread.
Grow up.0 -
You mean i harassed that user i said "No offence" to? you're the only one who needs to Grow up. Or don't i don't care.Verenor - Morai wrote: »Looking at the very first reply on this forum who did nothing but attempted to help you out with your question, you started to attack and somewhat harass. Your attitude has been nothing but toxic towards anyone who dares to come up with concrete ideas, evidence and tactics to reach r9 within a year while remaining F2P. I'm honestly astounded to see people still trying to help you out after your 1st and ever following replies.
This isn't your site to command others, you're on pwi's territory with rules you have to comply with, even in "your" thread.
Grow up.
Back on topic. Just because someone offers "Possible ways" Doesn't mean i have to take them as words of gold. why would i believe something that someone says if i can spot a flaw in it right away. No i dont believe there is any guaranteed way to obtain R9 gear in under a year. If you do then I couldn't care less, Dont try and convince me unless you have a surefire way, and me Resisting all of the Flawed money making techniques makes me the villain. as if Problems don't exist. Basically the entire thread has been like this : i ask a question, you give answer to question, I should take answer without questioning it or else. The answer has flaws in it. I don't think the Answer will work.0
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