Is there any guaranteed way to Obtain Rank9 Gear in under a year?

opkossy

So... you're choosing to ignore Venus' post that uses all of your own assumptions and proves it's possible even WITH all the nonsense limitations you put on it?

Okay then.

mechabeastmc666

OPKossy wrote: »

So... you're choosing to ignore Venus' post that uses all of your own assumptions and proves it's possible even WITH all the nonsense limitations you put on it?

Okay then.

Because it's tiresome Breaking down the Exact same thing over and over again. The post about how JOJ to get Rank 9 gear right? i dont always feel like typeing the same thing over and over again. I've already explained the reason i think JOJ is not an option for R9. It's her who ignored MY previous post. The limitations aren't Nonsense either, that's just your over-active imagination.

ovenusarmanio

mechabeastmc666 wrote: »

Because it's tiresome Breaking down the Exact same thing over and over again. The post about how JOJ to get Rank 9 gear right? i dont always feel like typeing the same thing over and over again. I've already explained the reason i think JOJ is not an option for R9. It's her who ignored MY previous post. The limitations aren't Nonsense either, that's just your over-active imagination.

Your reasons were it would be ridiculous to keep your main parked at JOJ level for that long. I didn't do that. You also said it wouldn't generate a lot of money in under a year because you gotta factor in things like it taking 3 days to get to level 31. I factored in the time it would take to level the alts, and assumed they earned nothing while levelling. Which in actuality, they'd have earned money just from questing. So I actually lowballed the amount generated by making the JOJ alt. It still generated well over a billion coins in under a year while factoring in reasonable time frames to get an alt to a specific level. I also assumed that you worked on the alts one after the other, instead of in the same day. So the alts that weren't doing the quests didn't start generating revenue for you until well over hundred days had passed.

I also included your math of 5-7 mil a week only from NW and BH. I could easily make double that on average, but still I only used that figure because we were assuming your theoretical BM.

I chose only activities that you could do in morai gear. Which mean no instance farming, no merching, no FC selling, no TT selling etc. You get the mount needed for tigers for example, for free, guaranteed, by doing the quest chain in primal. I also chose activities that you could independent of factions or friends. Another limitation that you imposed. So no things like selling trophy mode with a friend.

So do tell me, what's wrong with it.

I even went back and read posts from you to generate some of these numbers, like the 5-7 mil a week from NW and BH. I didn't ignore your reasons.

bloodedone87

Pls close this post already. I dont understand why ppl still bothering with this guy. From what I see its like trying to teach a worm how to read.
Its obvious he doesnt want to get R9 in a year. He wants r9 in a blink of an eye by snaping a finger.he wants r9 for free without working for it.When he talks about merchanting he deosnt want to wait for his item to be sold. he wants to put the item in the catshop and in the next second a person buy it.
About insults. You are the one that started to insult ppl.And you insulted nice ppl that have tried to teach you how to make money for r9 gear.I know you dont like this but in my opinion you deserve to be insulted cause of the ''already failed without trying'' attitude you have.

opkossy

-Talks about guaranteed ways and how what people have done isn't guaranteed.
-Is given a practically step-by-step detailed guide using your own definitions and thoughts on the matter, flawed as they may be, on how to obtain it.
-Dismisses it completely because.... REASONS.


Absolutely amazing that you seem to believe your opinions are more accurate than cold hard facts backed by both math showing the results and experience... when you haven't even done so much as put a single foot forward on the subject.

What you're doing here is the equivalent of telling a variety of scientists that the square-cube law is false and could never possibly work because you're in second grade math and you know people can't minus a number from a bigger number.

And I'm not sure if I should be shocked or laugh at what you consider as logical. To you it's like anything with a chance below 100% can never work at all.... unless it's negative in which case it only needs to be theoretically possible to be guaranteed to occur. That's not logic. That's not sensible. That's liberally and unabashedly cherry-picking when your premise and arguments get destroyed until you've come up with a scenario that's so stupidly convoluted and based only on your own fantasy that the only option available is the one you want.

pachwenko

The answer is yes, but when you are done you could have worked for a month and got rank 9 in a month.

Jaabg - Sanctuary

oVenusArmanio wrote: »

I chose only activities that you could do in morai gear.

I still haven't farmed my g15 morai axe. But the few times i did delta with other bm, those axes rocked over my r9+5. Those weapon are OP. Gear may not be OP, but the weapon b:dirty.

I also noticed if i bot with my axes, i one shot mobs very often. If i use fist/claw, i use 4~8 hits. Quite possible to gear up the bm and bot with axes.

But as stated multiple times, OP is not interested. It's already been 5 days, could have lvled 2~4 alts to lvl 31+ for joj and started making money.

ovenusarmanio

Jaabg - Sanctuary wrote: »

I still haven't farmed my g15 morai axe. But the few times i did delta with other bm, those axes rocked over my r9+5. Those weapon are OP. Gear may not be OP, but the weapon b:dirty.

I also noticed if i bot with my axes, i one shot mobs very often. If i use fist/claw, i use 4~8 hits. Quite possible to gear up the bm and bot with axes.

But as stated multiple times, OP is not interested. It's already been 5 days, could have lvled 2~4 alts to lvl 31+ for joj and started making money.

I wasn't even assuming the g15 gear. The g15 morai gear is comparable to g16/vanilla r9 in pve but most people choose g16 because g16 will also let you make more tokens in nation wars. And is generally better received. But it also costs money. The g13 gear will be received eventually by doing BH EU and until then you should still be able to make that amount i listed botting since I was making that much when I was botting a ton on my bm in TT99/g15 mix. The 95 morai gear is comparable to TT99 and is free. It's a quest reward. A guaranteed get. IT required a lot of botting though. I put up before I went to sleep, once I woke up, repaired and reset it before I went to work and when I while I was cooking dinner to earn that much. I could make that much now without such extremes. Seriously the moment I hit the door it was turn on bot, and then shower, eat etc. xD So that it was running for the couple hours I was preparing for the next day rather than playing. Still 5 mil is totally doable. I do work full time.

mechabeastmc666

oVenusArmanio wrote: »

Okay, 500 mil coins for doing 2 toons isn't money you could invest into R9 and that's if you only do the 71-80 one. If you add in the the 61-70 range one, you could make even more money in a year. Guaranteed. So let's heavily rely on JJ, shall we?

61-70 range is 131k for just talking to JJ. And then 73k per order. Which is 642000 per character in that range or 1,284,000 per day on 2 alts. Let's say it takes you a week to get two 61 level characters (just have one follow the other so you get them all in the same range. And let's say you have to also subtract the 2 weeks it took you to level the first 71-80 level alts.) That means that you end up with 3 weeks or 21 days you didn't earn any money from these alts. So you only earned money each day from them in this year for 344 days. That's an additional 441,696,000 mil a year. And again, having 2 alts run JJ is perfectly legal and valid and is in no way abusive. Now add that to the JJ money you received from the 71-80 level characters. Which if you remember from my last post is 543,348,000. That's 985,044,000 mil. That's quite a dent in R9. If you say r9 costs 3 billion, then amount of coin is approximately 33% of 3 bil, or 1/3rd of the way. How is getting guaranteed 1/3rd of the way in a year's time, not a legitimate source of coin for funding your r9?

Now let's look at nation wars which you personally valued at about 5 mil per week. There are 52 weeks but we have to remove say 3 months because you didn't bother entering until you were 100. You can make good tokens even on non-rebirthed, low level toons but whatever. Let's pretend you didn't. So 3 months is 12 weeks. So you earned 5 mil per week for 40 weeks. That's another 200,000,000. JJ actually out earned nation wars in your year's time. Anyway add that to your 985,044,000, and you get 1,185,044,000. You are now at approximately 39.5% of the way to Rank 9 and you haven't even done any farming, any botting, or any BH.

Botting,let's assume it took you 90 days (3 months) to get to 100. That's 275 days of botting. Let's say you get 5 mil a day on average. That's an additional 1,375,000,000 a year. Add that to your money from JJ and nation wars. You're now looking at 2,560,044,000 coins. Which is 85% of our 3 bil in on year goal. This doesn't depend on any seller and doesn't require exceptional gear, and actual relies on low level alts that actually have free gear.

Now we're gonna use your own figure for BH money, which is about 2 mil per week. Since you said earlier that nation wars was good for about 5 mil per week, and that your metaphorical bm earned 5-7 mil per week from NW+BH. 7mil-5 mil= 2 mil per week. And you only earned that money for 40 weeks because we have to give you time to get to 100. That's another 80,000,000 coins per year. You're now at 264,0044,000 coins. The only thing you've done is BH, Bot, Nation Wars and JJ.

Let's see if we can't get the rest of that money from a guaranteed source. Let's we decide to have more JJ alts. I'm leaning on JJ because he's a guaranteed source of income by your own admission, btw. You can only have 2 alts in a particular level range, so we now have to do 51-60 range. In that range you get 110k coins for talking to the NPC and 61k for each of the 7 orders completed. Which is 537k per character, and 1074000 per day on two toons. We'll subtract the 3 months (90 days) it took you to get to 100 on your main. The 2 weeks to get the 71-80 toons as well. So now we're looking at 104 days you didn't earn any JJ money from this range. And we'll say it took you a full week to get to level 51. That's another 7 days you didn't earn money from JJ because you didn't bother to do the lower level ones. That's 111 days you didn't earn money from these JJ twins in the 51-60 range. That still leaves you 254 days of JJ money. That's another 272,796,000 coins in a year's time. That's 2,912,840,000 coins in one years time. Which is approximately 97% of the money you need for R9.

The only thing you've done is spend a few hours a day doing BH on a single 100 toon and then JJ. Then weekly you do NW, and then you just leave your bot running while you sleep at night. Totally doable.

Now let's say you do tigers on a toon. And you are aiming for Bronze each week. Which is completely and totally doable on a class not that many people play, just doing quests. In fact, in all the times I did tigers on my level 80 seeker, I always managed to get Bronze. Let's say you only do this on one of your JJ alts because your BM can't hang with all the BMs attempting to do this event on the server, and therefore you don't have access to the level 96+ rewards from tigers from the bounty hunter. This means we can't take in account ecstasy cards from the mystic verdant jades. We can only get the bronze chests. You can start doing it on these alts at level 30. But let's say you only added in tigers after you finished levelling all these JJ and main up. So for 15 weeks you didn't bother with tigers. So for 37 weeks only you earned this prize. Each pack is worth 100k, so that means you earned 37 million coins. That's 2,949,840,000 billion coins now that you have.

You realize annoyed that you still aren't quite there yet. So you look toward JJ once again, only you no longer have time to do run these quests each day. So you can only pick up the first quest. We'll say it takes you four days to get two alts to level 41. And three days to get one two more alts to level 31. That's one more week to get these alts to a level you can just park them, on top of the 15 weeks it took you to get all those other toons levelled. That's 118 days you missed out on JJ. SO you only get to collect money from these alts for 247 days. Still you get 67k per character per day just for talking to the NPC in the 41 level range which means you get 134k per day. You also get 58k for talking to him in the 31 range. Which is 116k per day on these two alts. That's 250k per day for 260 days or 61,750,000 mil. That's 3,011,590,000.

You now have enough money to get r9 and you never farmed or merched. All you did was one weekly event (which you had **** luck at), BH (with bad luck), JJ and bot.

Jolly old Jones is a ganranteed way to make money, Unline Merchanting. NW all though this is my opion, is also a ganranteed way due to the ease.
A Fresh new character on a new server, creates a BM, The time getting that BM to 101 IS just automatically thrown out. Keep in mind, this is a bm who couldn't aford Hyper Exp stones and got all of his EXP by questing. This Reduces time in the year, You dont have a full year to work with after doin this. You start Earning Money after you gotten to the required Lvl for the gear which is 101.
Lets say by the grace of god i got to lvl 60, i can enter NW right. I personally earn Around 5m a week from NW, however im sure other users could earn more or even Less, i never noticed it, but the amount earned in NW is also a variable. BUT lets say i earn 5m average could Save Up the Money i have earned from NW, until i am ready to Buy R9 gear, Or i could spend some of it to increase my lvling progress. Which would mean a very high deduction. Would reduce the Normally 6-7months of Questing to get R9 to maybe 2-3 months of FC spamming and hypering. This is Time that's conveniently left out you have 5-6 Months left to get the coins up. NOt the full year. or IF you spend inside of the R9 Fund you have 8-9 months left to get the coins all the way back up to R9 gear.NOW after THAT you go onto the Jolly jones alt, True or false, Lv71 alts come with the account? FALSE. so Now i have to Spend time to lvl that character up to 71, its the same as before, i can either Quest and get the lvl up, which would take 3 weeks at least. Or i can spend Money from NW and Buy fc rooms, and lvl him up in 2 or 3 days. fc bigrooms+Hypers = 2.6m roughly so subtract that from the 5m i earn from NW each week. sense my BM is 100 he can do BH right? I DO NOT consider this a guaranteed way to earn money, But lets say im Lucky and earn 2m from it everyweek. that +NW= 7m Tottal Subtract the money IF i decide to and lvl up my alt to 71, It'll be faster But it'll also be subtracting R9 funds. Or i can do it the old way and do quest to lvl up. That adds 3 weeks to the year timespand. So now thats 5-6 months+3 weeks that's less than half a year left to start gathering up the R9 coins. But now i can spend more TIME lvling up more alts because they dont come free with the account. 1-61 is also NOt easy. It doesnt take 2 or 3 days like you said, It depends on what methods you use, Are you Buying fc rooms+Hypers? Thats calculated into the R9 funds, so now im Buying hypers for 2 characters which is 1.1m+1.1m and FC Bigrooms which is 1.5m+1.5m OR i can take a week or 2 to lvl up the character with nothing but quest. IN THAT case that leaves me with roughly 5months when im Done to focus on getting the gear. But i have saved up the 7m I Gotten every week from BM, nw+bh, factor in that i Didnt always get 2m from BH that week and things like 50 crabmeats to keep me from Dieing all over the place that's rounded to roughly a guaranteed 5.7m per week (if i didn't get a 2m card it's reduced + crab meat which would be around 500k) the times that i did get the 2m cards evened it out to 5.7 instead of just 5M. And the same apply to any New alts i create. Lvling=Time. it's not instant. you're doing the calculations as if i started off with a 71+ char and your adding how much i could get in a year for the full 365 days as if None was used to lvl the character in the first place, i would Chop chop that number. Botting im going to toss out the window because i dont already have a lvl 100 sin with 100+ gear to Bot and make the 1,375,000,000 a year. Any gear i receive on my quest to lvl without spending a dime on it, would NOT be sufficient for Botting and surviving. Unless i Bot around lvl 35 mobs, and i tried it. 300K Each Night IF i had a buyer for the purified oils. Any other mobs would Kill me in minutes if i try and Bot with 95 moria free gear. The Tiger event, i haven't did it at all, so i cant say how much i'd earn. I plan on looking into it, BUT i doubt its R9 money in under a year.But basically it comes down to Our opinions on lvling. You think lvling is Easy and can be done in no time at all, i believe it takes time depending on your method. If you can lvl faster, THEN you can get to Making R9 coins. If you dont have the means to lvl faster, No R9 in under a year. And even if you can lvl fast with your NW money That puts you back at 0, with 7-8 Months left to lvl JOlly alts and then after that, you start working on your R9 fund, You still wont get R9 in under a year from jolly old jones+NW+Sometimes a BH reward.

ovenusarmanio

mechabeastmc666 wrote: »

Jolly old Jones is a ganranteed way to make money, Unline Merchanting. NW all though this is my opion, is also a ganranteed way due to the ease.
A Fresh new character on a new server, creates a BM, The time getting that BM to 101 IS just automatically thrown out. Keep in mind, this is a bm who couldn't aford Hyper Exp stones and got all of his EXP by questing. This Reduces time in the year, You dont have a full year to work with after doin this. You start Earning Money after you gotten to the required Lvl for the gear which is 101.
Lets say by the grace of god i got to lvl 60, i can enter NW right. I personally earn Around 5m a week from NW, however im sure other users could earn more or even Less, i never noticed it, but the amount earned in NW is also a variable. BUT lets say i earn 5m average could Save Up the Money i have earned from NW, until i am ready to Buy R9 gear, Or i could spend some of it to increase my lvling progress. Which would mean a very high deduction. Would reduce the Normally 6-7months of Questing to get R9 to maybe 2-3 months of FC spamming and hypering. This is Time that's conveniently left out you have 5-6 Months left to get the coins up. NOt the full year. or IF you spend inside of the R9 Fund you have 8-9 months left to get the coins all the way back up to R9 gear.NOW after THAT you go onto the Jolly jones alt, True or false, Lv71 alts come with the account? FALSE. so Now i have to Spend time to lvl that character up to 71, its the same as before, i can either Quest and get the lvl up, which would take 3 weeks at least. Or i can spend Money from NW and Buy fc rooms, and lvl him up in 2 or 3 days. fc bigrooms+Hypers = 2.6m roughly so subtract that from the 5m i earn from NW each week. sense my BM is 100 he can do BH right? I DO NOT consider this a guaranteed way to earn money, But lets say im Lucky and earn 2m from it everyweek. that +NW= 7m Tottal Subtract the money IF i decide to and lvl up my alt to 71, It'll be faster But it'll also be subtracting R9 funds. Or i can do it the old way and do quest to lvl up. That adds 3 weeks to the year timespand. So now thats 5-6 months+3 weeks that's less than half a year left to start gathering up the R9 coins. But now i can spend more TIME lvling up more alts because they dont come free with the account. 1-61 is also NOt easy. It doesnt take 2 or 3 days like you said, It depends on what methods you use, Are you Buying fc rooms+Hypers? Thats calculated into the R9 funds, so now im Buying hypers for 2 characters which is 1.1m+1.1m and FC Bigrooms which is 1.5m+1.5m OR i can take a week or 2 to lvl up the character with nothing but quest. IN THAT case that leaves me with roughly 5months when im Done to focus on getting the gear. But i have saved up the 7m I Gotten every week from BM, nw+bh, factor in that i Didnt always get 2m from BH that week and things like 50 crabmeats to keep me from Dieing all over the place that's rounded to roughly a guaranteed 5.7m per week (if i didn't get a 2m card it's reduced + crab meat which would be around 500k) the times that i did get the 2m cards evened it out to 5.7 instead of just 5M. And the same apply to any New alts i create. Lvling=Time. it's not instant. you're doing the calculations as if i started off with a 71+ char and your adding how much i could get in a year for the full 365 days as if None was used to lvl the character in the first place, i would Chop chop that number. Botting im going to toss out the window because i dont already have a lvl 100 sin with 100+ gear to Bot and make the 1,375,000,000 a year. Any gear i receive on my quest to lvl without spending a dime on it, would NOT be sufficient for Botting and surviving. Unless i Bot around lvl 35 mobs, and i tried it. 300K Each Night IF i had a buyer for the purified oils. Any other mobs would Kill me in minutes if i try and Bot with 95 moria free gear. The Tiger event, i haven't did it at all, so i cant say how much i'd earn. I plan on looking into it, BUT i doubt its R9 money in under a year.But basically it comes down to Our opinions on lvling. You think lvling is Easy and can be done in no time at all, i believe it takes time depending on your method. If you can lvl faster, THEN you can get to Making R9 coins. If you dont have the means to lvl faster, No R9 in under a year. And even if you can lvl fast with your NW money That puts you back at 0, with 7-8 Months left to lvl JOlly alts and then after that, you start working on your R9 fund, You still wont get R9 in under a year from jolly old jones+NW+Sometimes a BH reward.

I don't think you read my post. I didn't start your BM earning any money until 3 months into the year. It didn't receive the money from botting for the full year. I assumed you didn't earn any money at all from your BM for 3 whole months. I didn't add the coin for a full year. For every alt I made, I subtracted time to level it and assumed they earned no money during the time frame. I also assumed that you didn't make them all at once. So for example, I only gave you credit for the level 31 and 41 alts for 260 days. That's over a hundred days I said they wouldn't earn any money because they didn't exist. Seriously, reread my post. You assumed it was the same as all the other JJ posts but it was very, very different.

mechabeastmc666

oVenusArmanio wrote: »

I don't think you read my post. I didn't start your BM earning any money until 3 months into the year. It didn't receive the money from botting for the full year. I assumed you didn't earn any money at all from your BM for 3 whole months. I didn't add the coin for a full year. For every alt I made, I subtracted time to level it and assumed they earned no money during the time frame. I also assumed that you didn't make them all at once. So for example, I only gave you credit for the level 31 and 41 alts for 260 days. That's over a hundred days I said they wouldn't earn any money because they didn't exist. Seriously, reread my post. You assumed it was the same as all the other JJ posts but it was very, very different.

If i never earned any money at all in the first 3 months i wouldn't have been able to buy the tons of Hyper exp stones. then He would NOT be 100 after those 3 months, Those 3 months are turned into 6-7. Then i start from there to do Jolly old jones. I did read your post. Its pointless because You and me have a different timeframe of leveling. Redo the math with this: 6-7 Months to lvl BM to 1-101. 3-4weeks to lvl one Alt to 71, 1-2 Weeks to lvl an alt to 61+ 5days to a week to lvl a alt to 41+ Redo everything like that and it wont be enough, which is kind of pointless to do because Even in a fictional situation with a Full Year assuming you got those characters instantly added to your account, Jolly old Jones+ NW+sometimes a BH reward isnt enough coins to farm Rank 9 Gear.

oVenusArmanio wrote: »

I don't think you read my post. I didn't start your BM earning any money until 3 months into the year. It didn't receive the money from botting for the full year. I assumed you didn't earn any money at all from your BM for 3 whole months. I didn't add the coin for a full year. For every alt I made, I subtracted time to level it and assumed they earned no money during the time frame. I also assumed that you didn't make them all at once. So for example, I only gave you credit for the level 31 and 41 alts for 260 days. That's over a hundred days I said they wouldn't earn any money because they didn't exist. Seriously, reread my post. You assumed it was the same as all the other JJ posts but it was very, very different.

No disrespect, but say whatever you gotta say, i'll look at it , as long as there is no passive insults in it, consider it, and then can you lock thread at my request (if thats possible) It's just going to be the same thing over and over again and today, im not proud to admit it, but i actually spent the combined time of an hour on this thread today and i wanna make sure it doesn't happen again. I agree to disagree.

Salari - Raging Tide

mechabeastmc666 wrote: »

what exactly are you implying? Someone with already G16 gear and a decent amount of coins who's already 100 can earn R9 armor pieces in under a month or someone lvling a character from 1-101 can get rank 9 pieces in under a month if X2 is turned on? What Items did you farm? Surely you didnt Bot. Botting came after NW did right. even if you did (which i think you didnt) Where is this "it didnt take long to recast them" coming from? It's like you just Threw the millions of coins you needed outside the window. Did you Cashshop for those coins to recast the gear? that squad just Let you have the molds free of charge? I Came up with the conclusion that either you cashed for those R9 peices (which is perfectly fine, and nothing wrong with it) Or either they dont exist lol

There was no g16 when I farmed it, you either had r8 or g15 niv or r9 daggers. I was a 3.33 aps r8 sin when i farmed that 2x and even then I could not farm all the bosses. I had a catshop selling the mats I got. Even at current gold prices with the current sale if you make 30m a day you can get the rep and coins to get the ring and chest within a month. When g16 came out most of the ws squads I was in either did random for the molds or if someone needed it they just paid the squad the price of the mold. Not everyone was greedy back then.

I think in another thread I posted total farming and level time was around 5 or 6 months. When I was leveling I got in every tt or instance squad that would take me. Saved or sold what mats I got and just stashed it. When NW came out it crashed the market and with that the cost of reforging r9.

ovenusarmanio

mechabeastmc666 wrote: »

If i never earned any money at all in the first 3 months i wouldn't have been able to buy the tons of Hyper exp stones. then He would NOT be 100 after those 3 months, Those 3 months are turned into 6-7. Then i start from there to do Jolly old jones. I did read your post. Its pointless because You and me have a different timeframe of leveling. Redo the math with this: 6-7 Months to lvl BM to 1-101. 3-4weeks to lvl one Alt to 71, 1-2 Weeks to lvl an alt to 61+ 5days to a week to lvl a alt to 41+ Redo everything like that and it wont be enough, which is kind of pointless to do because Even in a fictional situation with a Full Year assuming you got those characters instantly added to your account, Jolly old Jones+ NW+sometimes a BH reward isnt enough coins to farm Rank 9 Gear.

I assumed you weren't earning money at all because you were spending it on levelling, obviously.

But okay let's do that. Let's assume it took you 6 whole months to level to 100 because you don't do check-ins, world quest, GBQ, bot, realm of reflection, etc. You're right those numbers won't be enough but we'd still be talking billions of coins.

We'll start with the 71-80 coins. We'll assume you only dragged around one alt on follow for 3-4 weeks during the initial levelling period and didn't bother doing JJ on it until it hit 71. That fair enough? We'll say it takes 3 weeks since this one is doing the same quests...So that's 5 months of doing JJ on only 1 alt while you level your BM, since JJ can be done while you're working on the BM. I think that's perfectly reasonable.

So we have 774k per day for 5 months instead of double that because you're not doing it on two characters. Assuming 30 day months that's 150 days. 774k * 150 days is 116,100,000 coins.

Did I mention that there 5 months. Okay here we go. We are in the same 5 month time frame. We've spent your first month on PW I levelling your BM while doing JJ in another screen. Now JJ isn't going to take up all your time. You can easily level up another toon at the same time after your JJ is done. So now we're 1 month through with your 6 month time period. And we're levelling your next alt and we're finished levelling him 2 months in to the year. Your BM isn't 101 yet but it this alt will now be generating income for the next 4 months. Which means that for 4 months you are now earning an additional 774k per month. WHich is an additional 92,880,000 in that time frame. So now you've earned 208,980,000 in 6 month time frame. The other 6 months you already have these two characters, so that means over the next 182.5 days (365/2 or half a year) you will earn 1548000 per day or 282,510,000 mil more. For a total of 491,490,000 earned from these 71-80 JJ alts.

Now then the time spent creating alts and levelling your BM has taken 2 months. 4 weeks for each 71 80 characters. You're still 4 months away from being 101.

Now then we say it will take you 1-2 weeks to level an alt to 61+. For this alt we'll say that you aren't generating income until you get both toons to 61. Why? Because well you're doing JJs on two toons now. So aren't going to have time to level this toon after doing those two JJs and do JJs on that same toon. All the time spent on it has to be spent levelling until you're 61+. And you decide to do this on both toons to get things going as quickly as possible. Let's also say it takes you 2 weeks not 1 week because of this limitation. That's another month you've been levelling your BM and now you have your 61 toons. 3 months have passed so we have to subtract that from your total earned. That's 365-90 days so you only earn money from those two for 275 days. Once you do however that's 1,284,000 per day. That's an additional 353,100,000 added to your total. Add that to your R9 pot. We're now at 844,590,000 million coins expected at the end of the year and your BM hasn't even hit level 101 yet.

3 months have passed now. We'll say now that you no longer have enough time to level anymore JJ alts since you're doing JJ on 4 toons now. So we'll let the 3 months pass without creating any more alts. Seem reasonable? 6 months are now gone. You pause here for a moment on your BM now that's he 101. It takes you 2 week to create the 51+ alts. 1 week per alt. So now then 6 months is 26 weeks and 2 more weeks before you earned money on them since on this screen you're focused on levelling. So 28 weeks gone. That's still 168 more days for JJ money at 1,074,000 per day now. Or an additional 180,432,000 at the end of year. We're now at 1,025,022,000 billion coins in the year, and we haven't even touched the money you're going to make from your main. We need to now create more alts, these ones you will not be running quests on. 5 days per alt or 10 days pass by. That''s 158 days only you are making money on these particular alts that are the level 41+ alts. That's 134k per day for 158 days. Or another 21,172,000 added to your total. 1,046,194,000 is your new amount without ever taking into account your main. Now subtract 6 more days (you earlier said it took you 3 days to get to 31+) so you can only earn coins on these for 152 days. That's 116k per day for 152 days or another 17,632,000 per year just talking to the guy. Now your total is 1,063,826,000 in just JJ money alone. JJ money has now got you approximately 35% of the way, or over a third of the way. You spent a total amount of time of 2 weeks+10 days+6 days levelling these. or about another month.

So now we return to your main.

Now let's see here let's say you did tigers starting at level 30 on your main. Which you says takes 3 days. But tigers is only once a week, so you lost a full week of tigers. That still leaves you 51 weeks to do tigers. At 1 mil per week (10 bronze boxes at 100k each) that's another 51 million coins. 1,114,826,000 is now your total.

BH started earning you money 7 months in, at 2 mil per week. 44,000,000 from doing BH. You're total is now 1,158,826,000. You say tt80 gears can net you 5 mil per week in nation wars. I earned more than that in tt80 gears but let's go with that number. You hit level 80 1 month in. So you're main made 11 months of nation war money. Or 48 weeks. That's another 240,000,000. You're now at 1,354,826,000.

You already almost half way there, and you haven't merched, farmed, got lucky with tigers, received coins from questing, or botted yet.

Okay now say we set aside 49.56 mil for the g15 morai gear from JJ money. Which you will have earned from the first JJ alt. Which will have earned way before level 95 as it only takes less than 70 days from when you first started. Still we now need to subtract that from the JJ money. 1,063,826,000-49,560,000=1,014,266,000 still left of JJ money, btw.

You can now add 5 mil a day in botting money since g15 morai gear is comparable to low refined r9. We'll say that you botted from 95+. It only took you 4 weeks to get you to 71. Which meant the other 5 months was the rest of the way from 71-101. Since the biggest exp curve is 95+ let's say it took you another one of those months to hit 95. So you were 95 for about 4 months. I believe that's enough time if you're faithful to morai to get the prestige and such needed to wear that gear? Which means we can assume you botted for 5 months of the year and did indeed make that 5 mil, since I said g15 morai gear is comparable to vanilla r9.

That's 700,000,000 we can add to your total. So 1,354,826,000 - 49,560,000 + 700,000, 000 = 2,005,266,000 earned doing only JJ, NW, BH, Tigers, and Botting.

At any rate, if you add another 3 months to your 1 year total. You're looking at 90 more days.

Which at the steady rates that you're now farming without doing any instances or doing a single other thing to make money.

450,000,000 from botting.

Let's see JJ

1548000 for 70s chars, 1,284,000 from the 60s chars, 1,074,000 from the 50s chars, 250k from the 30s/40s chars. That's 4,156,000 per day from the JJ alts. 374,040,000 in 90 days.


12 weeks of tigers is another 12 mil.

12 weeks of BH is another 24 mil.

12 weeks of NW is another 60 mil. We're keeping this constant because morai gear isn't PVP gear so you're still gonna keep getting your butt kicked despite being in better gear.


That's a total of 920,040,000 mil in 3 months.

Congratulations, if you don't use my levelling speed it takes you an extra 3 months to get r9 than it would take me. Using my levelling speed (when I actually apply myself) it would take me less than a year. It would take you 1 year 3 months using your own levelling speed. OfC you could easily take less time doing these if you spent time doing things to level these things up faster. And obviously you could actually farm in that morai gear, so you wouldn't be limited to just these activities.

By the way that 2 mil you're low-balling on BH is totally unrealistic. On average, assuming you take advantage of all the cash. BH will earn you 650k per day. That's because you will get cards sometimes, but mirages and socket stones can also be reasonably instantly sold for a profit. Which means that you'd actually earn about 4,550,000 mil per week from it. Which means we aren't assuming an excitement card each week to get that number either. 5 months is about 20 weeks, so your actual BH profit would probably be closer to 91,000,000. I assumed you're number because even assuming such bad luck, it's reasonable to get r9 in that time frame. As you said, some people can in fact level faster and get those 3 extra months of income.

I really think you're dismissing a lot of income by refusing to bot, and refusing to do JJ. It's really quite a lot of money. It's not glamorous or fun, but it's a lot.

edit: Just wanted to add that this is the most mind numbingly dull way to get coin, and you'd probably quit from sheer boredom before you accomplished this. The exact same simple tasks day after day after day, no real challenge whatsoever. This will take up a few hours of your time each day too, so it's gonna take dedication. This sounds easier than like spamming TT, but really it's probably harder. Because it's way more repetitive. And relies on you being stagnant for a while. Which isn't very fun. You'd be treating this game like it's a job. Majority of people will not get r999 this way. It's just too much. But it's a possibility. I don't point this out as actual recommendation for anyone to do. You'd probably end up hating this game and quitting before you finished if you did it this way. And I've heard of several people who did try this, and then quit because it wasn't fun. I myself have not earned nearly this much on JJ, it's guaranteed money but I simply don't have the patience for this. Still, it comes from an NPC. Which means it's guaranteed money.

Also IDK if I made any math errors in there but forgive me if I have, I've been awake too long haha. Gotta stay awake a few more hours too.

nbreaking

@VenusArmanio

I really think it's nice of you to keep posting helpful replies, but you are wasting your time...
This guy is gonna keep discarding everything that anyone says, there is no way to convince him that it IS doable in a non variable way.

This is what he wants to hear (even though it is not what I think):
No, it is not possible to farm r9 in 1 year, it will take you 3-4 years or you have to spend 2000$.
Happier now? b:cute

LuckingFoco - Raging Tide

nbreaking wrote: »

@VenusArmanio

I really think it's nice of you to keep posting helpful replies, but you are wasting your time...
This guy is gonna keep discarding everything that anyone says, there is no way to convince him that it IS doable in a non variable way.

This is what he wants to hear (even though it is not what I think):
No, it is not possible to farm r9 in 1 year, it will take you 3-4 years or you have to spend 2000$.
Happier now? b:cute

True, but where there is one idiot that doesn't listen or take advice, Venus's posts will pro ably help several others who wonder the same on how to get r9

SerenityCNB - Dreamweaver

I have actually taken the time to read these posts. Every single one of them, and Ihave read the comments that OP has posted in response to all of the data given.

Even Kalopsia responded to you. That seeker is so well geared that she's the only one to one shot me through sage plume shell when I face her in NW. So well geared in fact, that I've had to come up with a strategem in case i even see her on the battlefield with me, and is in an opposing nation.

Do you accept the advise? No. You through it all away. You disregard the countless essays that Venus posted. She's been playing even longer than I have.

Do you listen to it...or even consider it? No. You through it all away.

So now I'm going to lay it all out for you.

No. You will never reach R9rr. Simply put, not ever.

Why?

Your plan...based upon your posts in all 14 pages is to put every last coin down as R9 money. That's not logical. That's not feasible.

With that approach. This is why you'll be a one shot wonder.

-You will not buy apoth.
-You will not buy hp food.
-You will not buy mp food.
-You will not pay for repairs.
-You will not buy sage/demon skills.
-You will not buy level 100 skills.
-You will not buy any skills.
-You will not buy morai skills.
-You will not rebirth.
-You will not buy hypers.
-You will not pay a single coin towards farming gear.
-You will not buy. A flyer that goes faster.
-You will not buy perfect stones to help your genie.
-You will not buy more space for inventory/bank.
-You will not buy a crafting inventory space.
-You will not buy a faster mount.
-You will not use the teleport master.
-You will not use the illusion stone.
-You will not not use anything that requires a single coin to be spent.

This is based upon your own numerous posts about how everything is part of R9 fund. You will not make it...ever. Your gear will be shattered, and you will wander the plains alone.

Earlier Venus mentioned attitude being a large part of it. I'm not even trying to go R9, and I second her. Heck, with the mindset that you are displaying, I'll have my R9 before you...and I'm npc'ing the R9 molds Iget from running warsong/lunar.

Attitude is everything. There is a saying: "Psychology is half the battle."

Even in Batman Begins, where Bruce is training, right before he's curbstomped...he is told that the training is nothing. The will is everything. The will to act.

You're not willing to act, or even to try.

I'm one of the most lax players around. I spend half the time flying around, helping players on low leveled bh's, helping at krixxix, farng, Eyes, Jewelscalem, Gouf, etc. I frequent bh's that I don't even need, and ones that I've long passed, to help other players. Two accounts lag my computer, so I rarely catshop. I play as a cleric, so I have a natural battle against having low hp and low pdef. I'm not able to tank things like a bm can. None of my armor pieces. None of them are even +6. My weapon is +7. My luck was so bad that I orbed it from +0 to +7. I orb most of my gear. I'm working on orbing it some more. I have not bothered to level my crafting skills. They're level 1 everything. My alts are underleveled.

So why is it that I can easily make over 20 million a week, and you can't. That's with me being afk half the time, Serenity not being on bot mode, etc. Why is my CLERIC able to do this, and your blademaster has no chance to? Why is it that I could take Oceania Master's blows in TT90 gear, and you can't?

Why is it that with me being so lax in the game....that I can earn millions...that i have a 3.30 flyer, Dark Negation, have 2 lunar rings, have a G15 WS belt. (Not the G14 ones most get), have every single skill (excluding a few primal ones), have my gears sharded, and resharded, have my full G16, and rerolled it. Can take Toad's hits in FSP and not die in one shot. (Mind you, I don't even have 9.2k hp barb buffed. ), can tank virtually every boss in FC (Haven't tried bosses after big room). Have 3 genies, orbed 70 percent of my gear, shard with exclusive garnets. (1.5 million a pop.), have 2 G16 bound weapons, have not spammed TT, and I'm looking at my inventory I have over 9 mil at the moment...having just spent 10 mil for my effort in better tomes. Looking at my inventory, and usable mats, I have 20 mil worth of items. Looking at my bank, I have several million more. All I have to do is farm a few badges, and I'll have even more coin to work with.

Why is my cleric able to do these things, and your bm looking at them like they're not possible?

If you're not willing to sacrifice some to get to where you need to go, you will not make it. How can you hope to make it while refusing to better yourself in the process. That's like me telling my squad that i won't use mp herbs....knowing that sage IH costs 400 mp a pop...and if you've ever sqaudded with me...you know how much I heal.

So why am I able to make a profit, and you're not? R9 is accessible after a year with the countless methods that people mentioned. You just need to be willing to apply yourself, and make sacrifices where you can. Heck, I've been pretty inactive, due to real life situations, and I'm steadily making progress. So I don't see why you can't generate the coin. Many people have listed strategies. At this point, I dont feel that you want it...so no. You will not get it.

The bright side...as others have said...this will at least help others.

With your current mindset, you will wander the level 3 plains as a bm in broken gear, collecting coins where you find them....as those monsters won't be able to kill you past your hp regen...broken gear or not.

jwillson123

SerenityCNB - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I have actually taken the time to read these posts. Every single one of them, and Ihave read the comments that OP has posted in response to all of the data given.

Even Kalopsia responded to you. That seeker is so well geared that she's the only one to one shot me through sage plume shell when I face her in NW. So well geared in fact, that I've had to come up with a strategem in case i even see her on the battlefield with me, and is in an opposing nation.

Do you accept the advise? No. You through it all away. You disregard the countless essays that Venus posted. She's been playing even longer than I have.

Do you listen to it...or even consider it? No. You through it all away.

So now I'm going to lay it all out for you.

No. You will never reach R9rr. Simply put, not ever.

Why?

Your plan...based upon your posts in all 14 pages is to put every last coin down as R9 money. That's not logical. That's not feasible.

With that approach. This is why you'll be a one shot wonder.

-You will not buy apoth.
-You will not buy hp food.
-You will not buy mp food.
-You will not pay for repairs.
-You will not buy sage/demon skills.
-You will not buy level 100 skills.
-You will not buy any skills.
-You will not buy morai skills.
-You will not rebirth.
-You will not buy hypers.
-You will not pay a single coin towards farming gear.
-You will not buy. A flyer that goes faster.
-You will not buy perfect stones to help your genie.
-You will not buy more space for inventory/bank.
-You will not buy a crafting inventory space.
-You will not buy a faster mount.
-You will not use the teleport master.
-You will not use the illusion stone.
-You will not not use anything that requires a single coin to be spent.

This is based upon your own numerous posts about how everything is part of R9 fund. You will not make it...ever. Your gear will be shattered, and you will wander the plains alone.

Earlier Venus mentioned attitude being a large part of it. I'm not even trying to go R9, and I second her. Heck, with the mindset that you are displaying, I'll have my R9 before you...and I'm npc'ing the R9 molds Iget from running warsong/lunar.

Attitude is everything. There is a saying: "Psychology is half the battle."

Even in Batman Begins, where Bruce is training, right before he's curbstomped...he is told that the training is nothing. The will is everything. The will to act.

You're not willing to act, or even to try.

I'm one of the most lax players around. I spend half the time flying around, helping players on low leveled bh's, helping at krixxix, farng, Eyes, Jewelscalem, Gouf, etc. I frequent bh's that I don't even need, and ones that I've long passed, to help other players. Two accounts lag my computer, so I rarely catshop. I play as a cleric, so I have a natural battle against having low hp and low pdef. I'm not able to tank things like a bm can. None of my armor pieces. None of them are even +6. My weapon is +7. My luck was so bad that I orbed it from +0 to +7. I orb most of my gear. I'm working on orbing it some more. I have not bothered to level my crafting skills. They're level 1 everything. My alts are underleveled.

So why is it that I can easily make over 20 million a week, and you can't. That's with me being afk half the time, Serenity not being on bot mode, etc. Why is my CLERIC able to do this, and your blademaster has no chance to? Why is it that I could take Oceania Master's blows in TT90 gear, and you can't?

Why is it that with me being so lax in the game....that I can earn millions...that i have a 3.30 flyer, Dark Negation, have 2 lunar rings, have a G15 WS belt. (Not the G14 ones most get), have every single skill (excluding a few primal ones), have my gears sharded, and resharded, have my full G16, and rerolled it. Can take Toad's hits in FSP and not die in one shot. (Mind you, I don't even have 9.2k hp barb buffed. ), can tank virtually every boss in FC (Haven't tried bosses after big room). Have 3 genies, orbed 70 percent of my gear, shard with exclusive garnets. (1.5 million a pop.), have 2 G16 bound weapons, have not spammed TT, and I'm looking at my inventory I have over 9 mil at the moment...having just spent 10 mil for my effort in better tomes. Looking at my inventory, and usable mats, I have 20 mil worth of items. Looking at my bank, I have several million more. All I have to do is farm a few badges, and I'll have even more coin to work with.

Why is my cleric able to do these things, and your bm looking at them like they're not possible?

If you're not willing to sacrifice some to get to where you need to go, you will not make it. How can you hope to make it while refusing to better yourself in the process. That's like me telling my squad that i won't use mp herbs....knowing that sage IH costs 400 mp a pop...and if you've ever sqaudded with me...you know how much I heal.

So why am I able to make a profit, and you're not? R9 is accessible after a year with the countless methods that people mentioned. You just need to be willing to apply yourself, and make sacrifices where you can. Heck, I've been pretty inactive, due to real life situations, and I'm steadily making progress. So I don't see why you can't generate the coin. Many people have listed strategies. At this point, I dont feel that you want it...so no. You will not get it.

The bright side...as others have said...this will at least help others.

With your current mindset, you will wander the level 3 plains as a bm in broken gear, collecting coins where you find them....as those monsters won't be able to kill you past your hp regen...broken gear or not.

-snip-
But in a point the more wealth you have in the game the more you make as easy as that.
The problem with cube is that you have to pay.Last time I did a cube run I pay over 2 million worth of fees and cube items like all do cards. I did not fail once. Cube is not free at all it cost an investment.It does not means is not profitable but is not 100% 3.5m per Cog. Since you may end up paying 2 million in fees and only earning 1.5 of pure profit.


I was able to make 3 billion coins since february.
So it took me 7 months.
I quitted the game in 2012 and came back to pwi in february.
I came back to this game without TM90 cape, using nirvana daggers and without tome.
I was able to get TM90 cape and G16 daggers and pan gu tome.
I been lazy I could have made way more.

The secret to F2p = Multiple accounts
Is really easy
Person 1 gets pay check
Person 2 gets pay check
Person 3 gets pay check
Person 4 gets pay check
Person 5 gets pay check


but in reality person 1 to person 5 are same person
So that person getting 5 paychecks instead of 1.
where you get paycheck jones,bh,fsp.
b:laugh I wish i could do this in real life just like in pwi!

Best advice I give you if you want to make coins.
Stop reading forum and play game...
This forum literary have cost me billion+ because I waste so much time here instead of spending that time increasing my wealth!

Sylvae - Sanctuary

jwillson123 wrote: »

-snip-
But in a point the more wealth you have in the game the more you make as easy as that.
The problem with cube is that you have to pay.Last time I did a cube run I pay over 2 million worth of fees and cube items like all do cards. I did not fail once. Cube is not free at all it cost an investment.It does not means is not profitable but is not 100% 3.5m per Cog. Since you may end up paying 2 million in fees and only earning 1.5 of pure profit.


I was able to make 3 billion coins since february.
So it took me 7 months.
I quitted the game in 2012 and came back to pwi in february.
I came back to this game without TM90 cape, using nirvana daggers and without tome.
I was able to get TM90 cape and G16 daggers and pan gu tome.
I been lazy I could have made way more.

The secret to F2p = Multiple accounts
Is really easy
Person 1 gets pay check
Person 2 gets pay check
Person 3 gets pay check
Person 4 gets pay check
Person 5 gets pay check


but in reality person 1 to person 5 are same person
So that person getting 5 paychecks instead of 1.
where you get paycheck jones,bh,fsp.
b:laugh I wish i could do this in real life just like in pwi!

Best advice I give you if you want to make coins.
Stop reading forum and play game...
This forum literary have cost me billion+ because I waste so much time here instead of spending that time increasing my wealth!

Anyone who can't profit nowadays with the cube, sucks at the cube. Up to 50 has been done since a month after servers went live, and up to 60 was done when CC cards were worth a damn.

The obvious thing to any thinking person who did the cube often, was to either buy tiger thingys to buy CoF at a competitive rate, to then dual run the cube to get 2 pages per 51-60 run. Now granted, I had been absent and came back, but even during that time when cogs were 2Mil each I averaged 2-3 mil profit a run. Tokens ran around 26k then, and 30k now. So the current price of 4 mil per cog means at least 5 mil profit per character per day for a competent player.

Now granted, there isn't many of those. Even the cube 51-60 guide now has less info than our Seppuku guide did back in 2008/2009. But that is because so few want to put the effort into learning something, and just want to go mewling brat begging for it.

-snip- The cube can earn someone 5 mil a day -snip- BMs are one of the classes it is easiest on, clerics are a bit slower and I sometimes just get in under the wire on them.

But even 2 years ago, I would run it with my BM twice til 60 to get the 30 minute quest, swap to cleric and go for 30 minutes, back to bm to finish, then cleric to finish in all. 4 cogs in around 1:30-1:50 time. Nowadays counting costs, that would be around over 10 mil profit in less than 2 hours.

-snip-

Evryn - Morai

-snip-
- Creating a bunch of catshops is easy, but you'll have to get a good feel for prices. You can start with easy goods that you can mine yourself, such as tier 2 and tier 3 mineables, as well as the huntable versions of those materials. (IE things like Refined Steel, Leather, Compound Thread...)

- If you plan to run Jolly Jones a lot -snip- have the characters run autoculti in the starter area until PWI decides to give away another Dreamchaser pack by code. The dreamchaser gear is more then enough to run a Jolly Jones character on. You can level them (almost) purely on autocultivation:
* Starting world until they're about level 18, should take no more then a few days. The Phoenixes above the city on the east island are easy to run autoculti on - gather enough aquametal for the flier you can get down there. Do the quest chain too.
* Once out, having done the quest chain, you'll have bonuses waiting from the perfect questmaster. Those should easily push you past level 20. Use the Dreamchaser pack and get the Minister's weapon. For this example I'll use an archer since they're so damn easy to level on autoculti. Set your archer to autoculti with that bow against Mutant Whirler Turtles, you'll find them near Archo in the water. Use the free daily charms from Woyn to keep yourself alive early on. You'll level up fast.
* Once you're about level 40, equip the Royal weapon and make it +5 using the free +5 orbs with equipment bound and <lvl 8 from the Dreamchaser pack, then move on to the Sapphire Planesharks in the water east of Allied Camp. Save a stack or two for Rough Furs, those tend to sell pretty high.
* Once you're level 50, move on to the various mobs east of Sundown Camp. You'll pick up some Leathers from time to time. After a day or 3, you should be level 60 (keep refreshing your Woyn charm until you're past level 60, they should not run out so you should never die, at least with an archer).
* Past level 61 you can either stick around Sundown and slowly level up towards 71 (which gives you the highest reward Jollies) or you can move on to other mobs, such as the Scrunchkins near Old Kings Hill. They tend to be easy targets too since the archers don't auto aggro.
* Once you're level 71 you're done. You can access the highest tier Jollies and start to make about 750K per day by doing them all (or skip the kill ones and make about 500k in under half an hour)

- If you plan to bot a lot using autoculti, you can use the above method to start up a character. I know people will argue that paying for heads or doing bigroom with killservice might be a lot quicker, but the assumption of the OP is a start from scratch with no support or existing higher level character. The trick for autocultivation is to get to the point where you can reliably take on lvl 80-ish mobs or higher - as those drop the higher value DQ items (they start to drop as early as level 71, but after 80 only the high ones drop anymore). Class synergies can help if you plan to use multiple bots - IE a BM and Assassin in close proximity can cause their buffs to support eachother.

Botting returns will increase over time. It's advisable to get a G15 or even G16 weapon once you reach level 100 - the added damage and weapon durability will help a lot. For most classes (sin excluded) going sage tends to be best for botting purposes - Li's allows for some free chi and sparks, which means free health or mana recovery.

Testxvl - Sanctuary

Hypers
- Check in once a day for 5 free hypers per month
- Lv30 gives you 5 free hypers together with 12 hours of deep reflection shards
- Watch out for arc codes, we JUST had 2x10 hypers given away for free per account
- Still lacking hypers? PM all couples that having wedding ask if you may join, chance to obtain hypers there, or mirages if "unlucky" that you can sell.b:chuckle
- If you feel like it, you could take your time to get the free hypers from starting area (I did that twice, wont do it again, ever)

If you plan make more alts for JJ in future, dont wait and make them right away and check in every day. Get the free hypers so they are ready when you want to level them.

Botting on squisy character
- Free 24-hour HP/MP charms every day untill Lv60
- Free HP/MP charm at Lv65
- 1 week auto pot at Lv90
- Lot of HP/MP food during levels, so many I even npced some of them.
- Watch out for arc codes again, free charm or event gold (can be used on charms).

Auto pot/charm was a MUST, and the free ones wasnt enough? You should have more than enough coins to buy the 1-month auto recovery stone. 3 gold for a 4mil price = 12mil. Takes 2.5 days to bot the coins back used, but have rest of the month for profit. Better than not botting at all, right? Auto recovery stone / charm is enough to bot at same level mobs even in white NPC gear.
I was surprised to see my hubbys botting char bot on same level mobs (when he was Lv80 or around) while wearing Lv20 ornaments and pretty crappy armor.



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Evryn - Morai wrote: »

For most classes (sin excluded) going sage tends to be best for botting purposes - Li's allows for some free chi and sparks, which means free health or mana recovery.

Sin included* IMO at least

Sage BP stronger, better for the squisy ones.
Triple spark is overkill, I prefer double spark on sin (well, if I had to spark). Increased aps just makes your weapon break faster = less botting time. Its better get high dph. Old weapon I could bot ~6 hours before break (average 3-4 hits I believe). New weapon I didnt even try to break yet, I one shot the mobs on my sin. I even noticed some sins started to use chill while botting.

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Evryn - Morai wrote: »

For most classes (sin excluded) going sage tends to be best for botting purposes - Li's allows for some free chi and sparks, which means free health or mana recovery.

I don't agree with the sin part lol... for several reasons.
Demon only has more APS if it sparks, sparking during autobotting has a chance (small, but still a chance) of freezing your character. Not only that, but if a sage sin with let's say 2.5 APS (keep in mind sage could be 3.33 or even more aswell) and a demon sin with let's say 3.33 base go after the same autoculti mob, while the demon one sparks (3 seconds) the sage one kills and runs to the next. While the sage is reaching the next, the demon starts running for the same mob, when he gets there, mob is dead, spark buff is gone.
(In this scenario I am assuming a sage and a demon APS sin are botting in the exact same spot if you didn't notice btw)


Not only that, but myself, as a sage sin, I put APS gear on, rebuff CotD and attack mobs normally (with 1.25 APS) and 90% of the time they are 1shotted. My weapon also lasts waaaay longer this way.

So, I don't really see what you meant by what you said. b:pleased

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