What makes Flowsilver Palace so hard?

Lolgasmic - Raging Tide wrote: »

I lost my s*** earlier.

I just don't understand, why is it so hard?

Welllllllllllllllll......... If you happen to be someone who dies often in FS, think of it this way.

1) Can I read English?
2) Am I wearing TT90+1?
3) What do these shiney buttons do?
4) I'm not sure what is going on..... I guess I'll just be quiet and learn the instance by **** something up every 10 seconds. Do you agree with this statement?

Depending on how you've answered these questions, could depend on whether or not you should be going to Flowsilver.

Sticky?

seems to me you had to do this once for the 1st time and i'm sure you were no pro at it either. cry cry cry some more because we don't care

elfenstar2013 wrote: »

seems to me you had to do this once for the 1st time and i'm sure you were no pro at it either. cry cry cry some more because we don't care

Actually his first time was not too long ago. He did waaaaaay better than some people who have done it 30 times. I think that means he can READ b:laugh

Seriously, that's all Flowsilver Palace takes: Reading Comprehension

Lolgasmic - Raging Tide wrote: »

I lost my s*** earlier.

I just don't understand, why is it so hard?

Welllllllllllllllll......... If you happen to be someone who dies often in FS, think of it this way.

1) Can I read English?
2) Am I wearing TT90+1?
3) What do these shiney buttons do?
4) I'm not sure what is going on..... I guess I'll just be quiet and learn the instance by **** something up every 10 seconds. Do you agree with this statement?

Depending on how you've answered these questions, could depend on whether or not you should be going to Flowsilver.

Sticky?

FSP is a piece of cake and easily duoed from me every day. Not hard at all.

EDIT: Ok OK xDD If you are full r9 max STR Barb then its easy. No one will ever take the Aggro from me...never. If you are just a regular g16 barb and you run with fellow r9 guys...then well you got a prob. Then it depends on Damage control which isnt the "thing" for most guys.

Ludacritz - Raging Tide wrote: »

The worst is the APSers who refuse to touch their skills, then stand in the circles on water boss, stand next to the barb on frog, stand next to you when it says "dispersely" then auto and AFK on last boss...

Please not this idiotic argument again. It's been proven that g16 at 5 aps does the same damage with aps vs skills. One take more attentiveness to use. Theoretically speaking, you can just afk spark macro on mushi and be fine.

There's also this thing called a 'melee class'. Ofc we have to stand close to the barb on a melee class.... GG.

Other factor can also makes FSP hard :

- Lag, this will make even the best geared player having difficulties at bosses after the 1st boss, eg. late in throwing axe, or late to run from blossom boss, or late sparking at mushi boss.

- Communication : some squad communicate well each other making the run smooth and fast, other do it like mad people screaming at each other, which sometime frustrates other player

What makes FSP hard?

1.Communication between players
2.Attitude

1.It was often seen that players that are new to FSP do not ask/check for some info about the instance itself which often leads to sudden events happening which most of the time can get unpleasent.Even if you try to guide them,most of them will still do what they want, ignoring people or opinions most of the time.Which kinda leads to the attitude part.

2.The attitude taken by some players most of the time is rather disturbing,I often found people that do not care about their actions at all.Some people just rush and bash everything in sight,or that they cannot play/handle their class properly.


Nowdays this kind of attitude is common, e.g FC squads,where some of the people cannot handle basic stuff or rather a basic concept of their class that they should've already known

Alot of people start to cry when the toad boss hp starts to regen its like people go into panic mode that a boss is going to take more than 5 min to kill.
The ones who do the panic are the true nubs of the instance...i dont care if you ran it 1000000"" times.

Euthymius - Heavens Tear wrote: »

>What makes FSP Hard

-Players who've never been inside not saying anything to their squad/not reading forum guides and vids on the instance

-Players who bite off far more aggro than they can chew (especially on Golden Toad and Mushi)

-The severely undergeared (though not quite as bad as the others)

-The illiterate and inattentive (the bosses and the red text TELL you what you need to do, even if one's squad doesn't. One must only read and pay attention to be successful) tbh

This is how i see it too.

More often then not, I see TT90+5 under or G16+3 no shards just running and dieing at the first AoE. Hounding the cleric for BB and heals as if they are taking ungodly amounts of damage during this "Lag Spike". b:surrender No lag spike good sir/mam, its the instance saying come back when you have enough Mirs to refine your gear and do some shard work. Can't afford shards? I hear this one place called Advance Endless Universe drops them.

"Players who bite off far more aggro..." and die because someone, at one point in time, told them that the best build ever was Pure... So they go with 3-5 vit b:surrender
No matter how many IH Stacks you have 5k-8k buffed is still a one-two shot. (Even more so with that nasty DoT from the Dragon in there).

This post sums up most players in every instance. EU/UCH/FSP mainly. But there's also the ones that, after being told not to, hit the flames in AEU or kill one boss without telling the rest of the squad and having it spawn next to the other (Dragon/Snake in AEU) and killing all squishies. When a Sin or something other than an HA pulls SoT/Abba bosses and get one shot (I've done it on my sin +10 all around, pulled Abba BH Boss, she got rocked). Just a lack of communication is all a squad needs to lead them into a nice wipe.

Still, nothing more funny then a rrr9 squad wipe.

Redmenace - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The "attitude" goes both ways, let me assure you.

Does someone have a link to a video that *explains* the instance? You know, instead of just a video of a fast run with headbanger\club music screaming in the background?

When I finally get back to 100 again I'd like to try this instance (since it's the only instance anyone wants to do anymore) but I fully expect the present server population to have the usual attitude toward people who don't master an instance in the first week.

While letting out the musical preferences.... the answer for that is yes there are video guides that do explain FSP ,even if it's not that much in-depth, like the one posted earlier here

But tell me something even if there weren't any video guides, why wouldn't someone thats new ask around in the squad they just joined or in the forum here.We have a perfectly working forum to put it like that. It's true that attitude can work in both ways but it's mostly up to the person to try and improve itself , isn't it?. As were most of the population here doesn't even care.

what annoys me the most in flowsilver:

- me inviting 2 seekers into the squad (as i am a psy and tanking) and never seeing a single soul shatter on any of the bosses.

- clerics not purifying themselves after water boss and then dying.

- mystics with 4400 hp that dont make it trough the first razor thingies.

- people that died before toad boss needing 15 minutes to return to the toad.

- squads asking for a tank for fsp "we are at toad boss"..ofc the toad already spawned and i cant get the coins for waterboss anymore)

- me being helpful and joining a squad just to tank the toad and then having 2 noobs complaining about not having a barb instead of a psy.

- 4 sins in squad, none of them willing to do axes, saying "i dont know the timing" (right..timing),
2 of them then getting 1 shot by the aoe.

- people that do axes but dont realize that they missed 1 shout and keep throwing them 10 seconds after the heal and then continue to grab and throw more axes.

- g15+3 barbs that speak french only, not realising that the r9.3+12 psy that stands in the corner(still toad) since 5 minutes actually tanks the boss, then running to the boss and getting me stuned just as i wanted to cast psy-will. (oh the rage...)

- clerics that dont purify the squad at toad (make a freaking macro and just pay attention to that 1 debuff...)
- people that dont get a cleric-purify and then rather die + QQ instead of spark or any other way to selfpurify.

- idiots that run and grab all mobs between toad and succ, then putting vortex(or any other aoe) on succ while half of the squad is killing chest lurkers.

- french g15+3 barbs, still not realising that the psy is the tank, not moving away from succ.

- anyone not realising they arent tanking, not moving away from succ.

- sins, bms, barbs, psys not bothering with interrupt

- people running brainless into last room instead of waiting for the venos nova.

- people attacking the minibosses too early, which causes a squadwipe due to phys debuff-glitch-.

- bms throwing heavens flame on the minibosses, while the squad lacks OP magic DDs.

- anyone that dies at mushi due to chi-debuff ("sorry, i lagged"..."sorry, was talking to my kids"..more like facebook eh?)
- people that die to mushi and rather die again to the razors than using the toad-teleport (hello again, 4400 hp mystic)

- french squads

- german squads.

- any squads.

god, i hate you all b:angry

Shinoame - Lost City wrote: »

While letting out the musical preferences.... the answer for that is yes there are video guides that do explain FSP ,even if it's not that much in-depth, like the one posted earlier here

But tell me something even if there weren't any video guides, why wouldn't someone thats new ask around in the squad they just joined or in the forum here.We have a perfectly working forum to put it like that. It's true that attitude can work in both ways but it's mostly up to the person to try and improve itself , isn't it?. As were most of the population here doesn't even care.

Well, when you ask in the forums you get "Use the search, n00b". Very very few people will answer a request for information on these forums with the actual answer. It's much cooler to mock the poor ****.

And in-game, when/if you answer a WC for FSP squad with "Yes, I would like to come along, but I haven't done this before" the usual answer is "I'm too busy to tell you how to play the game, go to the forums, n00b".

*Or*, "Find a big faction to help you, n00b". The factions big enough to have enough people to do these runs either are too young to know how to do this themselves, or too big and full of veteran players who aren't interested in helping anyone under them. They're just there for TW/NW (or to sit at the banker AFK for hours).

So before you accuse 90% of the game population of being clueless ****, note how much help they actually get, and think of the last time you guided someone through an instance instead of ignoring them or blowing them off.

Lolgasmic - Raging Tide wrote: »

Lol, the first run in FS I did actually tell them it was my first run. I asked the other barb to take the lead for me in case I mess up, so I can just observe what he does. They just laughed and thought I was kidding? Idk... I ended up being the one to tank the instance and first person into the rooms of mobs... Whatever.

Big kudos to Eryialne for talking me through FS though.

On a side note, am I the only one that thinks FS is more useful to get skill books for just 120k? More useful than the cards IMO

A and S grade cards are like having another peice of gear on mate. Cards>skills. GG

Redmenace - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Well, when you ask in the forums you get "Use the search, n00b". Very very few people will answer a request for information on these forums with the actual answer. It's much cooler to mock the poor ****.

And in-game, when/if you answer a WC for FSP squad with "Yes, I would like to come along, but I haven't done this before" the usual answer is "I'm too busy to tell you how to play the game, go to the forums, n00b".

*Or*, "Find a big faction to help you, n00b". The factions big enough to have enough people to do these runs either are too young to know how to do this themselves, or too big and full of veteran players who aren't interested in helping anyone under them. They're just there for TW/NW (or to sit at the banker AFK for hours).

So before you accuse 90% of the game population of being clueless ****, note how much help they actually get, and think of the last time you guided someone through an instance instead of ignoring them or blowing them off.

I don't know about you/The server are you in , the last time I guided someone was through FSP although thats not the case here is it? And no people that usually ask me about stuff I don't tend to ignore or blow them off so im not exactly sure where you trying to get at really.
It's kinda fun when you try and take it to a personal level with no base proof.

For the forum part I'm pretty sure we have a Dungeons & Tactic section, It doesn't take too much to scroll does it? And what you said there was wrong.As far as I've seen people always got help around the forum.

I'm pretty sure I didn't involve factions in my topic since you can most of the time wait for a squad for FSP or form it yourself. The only problem I see in there is you raging about community itself and how they "treated" you.

Although funny to say, I never did see people say anything like that.I never did say it was 90% of the game population, The only thing I can see you trying there is a desperate act of proving me wrong which kinda made it to a personal level and some thrown out rage. Congratz and have a good day b:pleased

Euthymius - Heavens Tear wrote: »

-Players who've never been inside not saying anything to their squad/not reading forum guides and vids on the instance

I've never been in there, but one of my characters is approaching 100 after first rebirth, so I will likely be in there soonish. I've looked on the forum and wiki but have not found any quick and handy guides describing the roles of (primarily) a BM and Cleric in there. Can you post links?

-Players who bite off far more aggro than they can chew (especially on Golden Toad and Mushi)

Heh. Reminds me of my last Lunar run with 3 sins, a psy and an archer. That was res practise for me as a cleric.

-The severely undergeared (though not quite as bad as the others)

What kind of gear is advisable for the instance? Is G15 +4 sufficient?

-The illiterate and inattentive (the bosses and the red text TELL you what you need to do, even if one's squad doesn't. One must only read and pay attention to be successful) tbh

Can be a mite hard if you aren't expecting the need to act. For instance, first time I joined a party to fight Queenie in SoT, I failed miserably since I hadn't a clue on what to do and when. A brief rundown of the bosses and even a "stay in the back and watch" run tend to be helpful.

That said, I do hear a lot of crying for a barb for Flowsilver on the worldchannel. Is it an instance that literally needs a barb for something? Or are other classes simply not tanky enough to deal with that frog?

Vinat - Sanctuary wrote: »

- clerics who won't BB in the right spot for the water boss

Relevant to my interests. Where is "the right spot"?