What makes Flowsilver Palace so hard?

SakuLv - Dreamweaver

for me its just the lag spikes

Marengo - Lost City

Vinat - Sanctuary wrote: »

- people with **** gear who really should not be trying to do the dungeon in the first place

It seems I see someone who never dies Post your calc, pw god

Verenor - Morai

Evryn - Morai wrote: »

I've never been in there, but one of my characters is approaching 100 after first rebirth, so I will likely be in there soonish. I've looked on the forum and wiki but have not found any quick and handy guides describing the roles of (primarily) a BM and Cleric in there. Can you post links?


Heh. Reminds me of my last Lunar run with 3 sins, a psy and an archer. That was res practise for me as a cleric.


What kind of gear is advisable for the instance? Is G15 +4 sufficient?


Can be a mite hard if you aren't expecting the need to act. For instance, first time I joined a party to fight Queenie in SoT, I failed miserably since I hadn't a clue on what to do and when. A brief rundown of the bosses and even a "stay in the back and watch" run tend to be helpful.

That said, I do hear a lot of crying for a barb for Flowsilver on the worldchannel. Is it an instance that literally needs a barb for something? Or are other classes simply not tanky enough to deal with that frog?

For a cleric I guess it's advisable to try to get more than G15+4, or you got some good ornaments. The bosses aoe slightly which can oneshot 7k hp LA (but ofcourse there should be barb buffs available).
Here's a small video guide made by a cleric you can easily find on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ar8x2q9qrE
I think in short the most important things are explained within that video.
1st boss nothing to it, 2nd boss/waterdragon aoe-heal+ purify, 3rd boss/toad aoe-heal + purify (NEVER stand in front of the toad, always behind him), 4th boss/succubus aoe-heal + watch the messages, 5th boss/the 5-6 diff add's just set up BB, 6th boss/mushi aoe-heal + burning your chi, he gives full chi every 30~ seconds, if you have full chi when he does that, you "explode" and well you die.

The reason people require a barb for this dungeon is because the 3rd boss/the Toad oneshots every other class but barbs (it doesn't have anything to do with hp/pdef, it's a class-dependant attack, barbs just don't get as high hit as any other class). Some psy's and sins have been able to tank it using physical immunity skills/items to withstand the attack but that still requires a strong (read r9r3) toon to preform that trick.

Evryn - Morai wrote: »

Relevant to my interests. Where is "the right spot"?

In the video the cleric doesn't set up BB, but before they attack the boss you'll see a seeker buffing up in the center, that where the seeker is standing is considered the "right" spot for BB.

Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary

Lag, like it makes everything else much harder, give people a smooth connection and you won`t be needing barbs in FSP.

Sien - Heavens Tear

I have come across more than one rude squad especially at Toad, people miss using axes because of lag or they could be eating or solving world hunger, who knows. People screaming how pathetic the squad is doesn't help. The new icon on screen takes a few clicks to work so I still use my inventory. I notice it's only Karma/Hax that have the attitude problems ijs.

Lolgasmic - Raging Tide

Evryn - Morai wrote: »

That said, I do hear a lot of crying for a barb for Flowsilver on the worldchannel. Is it an instance that literally needs a barb for something? Or are other classes simply not tanky enough to deal with that frog?

Only a barbarian can live through the Toad's special attack.

Or a ridiculously over powered psychic with enough immunity.

Slivaf - Dreamweaver

Lolgasmic - Raging Tide wrote: »

Only a barbarian can live through the Toad's special attack.

Or a ridiculously over powered psychic with enough immunity.

ANY class can tank it with the right timing/knowledge/preparations/strengths. A bm can even tank it, granted his weapon was maxed refined to help him hold aggro, but still, any class with the right person/assistance can easily tank it.

As far as the original topic goes, albeit that does have something to do with it, I think it has pretty much been covered by others.

It is just like any other instance in game, between the 'beefed' up bosses, and inevitably running into someone who makes the run harder regardless of their class... the instance can be made harder than it needs to be. (With the right squad it is a really rather easy/quick instance to do. (As of right now its my favorite instance, hell tbh its the only instance I do daily anymore, I have backed off of bhs a lot since just after the recent expansion in december.)

Redmenace - Heavens Tear

Shinoame - Lost City wrote: »

I don't know about you/The server are you in , the last time I guided someone was through FSP although thats not the case here is it? And no people that usually ask me about stuff I don't tend to ignore or blow them off so im not exactly sure where you trying to get at really.
It's kinda fun when you try and take it to a personal level with no base proof.

For the forum part I'm pretty sure we have a Dungeons & Tactic section, It doesn't take too much to scroll does it? And what you said there was wrong.As far as I've seen people always got help around the forum.

I'm pretty sure I didn't involve factions in my topic since you can most of the time wait for a squad for FSP or form it yourself. The only problem I see in there is you raging about community itself and how they "treated" you.

Although funny to say, I never did see people say anything like that.I never did say it was 90% of the game population, The only thing I can see you trying there is a desperate act of proving me wrong which kinda made it to a personal level and some thrown out rage. Congratz and have a good day b:pleased

Congrats. You've done a far better job illustrating the current attitude that I could have hoped for. You were dismissive, smartass and finished off by telling me what I thought, instead of reading what I *said*.

Thanks for the help.b:victory

Zoldi - Morai

Slivaf - Dreamweaver wrote: »

ANY class can tank it with the right timing/knowledge/preparations/strengths. A bm can even tank it, granted his weapon was maxed refined to help him hold aggro, but still, any class with the right person/assistance can easily tank it.

The fact is that there is a special thing for barbs with this boss. I saw barbs with less HP/phy def than my mystic tanking it easily while i can be oneshot (despite being tankier than these barbs).
I saw an R9.3 BM with almost endgame stuff taking 110k by Toad. Same for endgame seekers while a barb with G16+4 will never be a oneshot.

So you're right that with good timings you can avoid the huge hit and then maybe be able to tank it with any class if you have OP gears. But barbs can just tank it very smoothly with no immune.

Thrieya - Lost City

The cleric with 4.5k HP unbuffed and a +2 unsharded 2nd cast NV glaive that spends the entire time DDing instead of healing.

Or the cleric that spends their time AoE healing the rest of the squad that is taking no damage whatsoever on the other side of the room, and can't be bothered to IH me once while I'm tanking the ice dragon boss and having my charm *****, because the barb is an idiot who can't keep aggro from me when I have O Malley's and P. def. ring on, and am cycling Gush/Pyrogram with no Undine or sparking.

Or the cleric that doesn't bother to Purify squad members at the toad boss, doesn't bother to IH the barb, doesn't bother to do anything except sit on their *** and expect the squad to carry them through.

The idiot sin who picks up axes when I specifically say I'll be the one to pick them up, doesn't bother throwing them, and gets everyone killed.

The multiclienting veno/sin who leaves the +10 3rd cast APS sin AFK the entire time while their 1-shot veno dies, runs back, dies again, rinse and repeat until all the hot water is gone, and then expects to get twice the pages anyone else gets.

The player that has a character leveled to 100 at least twice by now and yet is still using HH 90 green +3 gear, weapon and all, expecting everyone else who actually worked for their NV 3 gear to carry them through the instance while they do absolutely squat.

Now I remember why I quit.

Colum - Raging Tide

RankNine - Momaganon wrote: »

*snip*

You remind me of myself. b:chuckle Damn those annoying squads!

Narcillatrix - Dreamweaver

Thrieya - Lost City wrote: »

stuffs.

Omg that made me want to cringe x.x
I dont' even remember how far back it was when I had 4.5k hp unbuffed, and just..just..GAH *flips tables from all the fail*

I'm sorry you end up with such people.

Sel_Darkmore - Dreamweaver

This instance is only hard when ppl that dont know what to do or dont know what to expect dont ask for info. Just like any other instance. A faction squad that knows each other play style ofc will handle the instance with ease unless bad lag , spikes etc.

A group of friends will have the same results
Random squads will always have the problem IF ppl dont pay attention or ask what to do or what to expect etc.

I know some players just dont go to the forums to look up info / even google it.

anytime i enter an instance i have yet done, soon as i enter the squad i speak up "okay first time here pls tell me what i need to do or need to expect." atleast 1 / 6 or 1/10 will speak up in squad or whispers will explain to me .

Dont sit there wondering IF ur gonna die, instead sit there wondering WHAT will cause u to die and then figure best play to avoid it and be of use to the squad.

If a Person in TT green then that person should first an formost better learn quicky everything about the instance so they can play it to they advantage and be helpful . What i still dont get is how even up to now some bms and sins STILL auto attack the damn bosses. Seriously tho stop it , if ur under gear DONT do that instead use Debuffs/Amps/ much as possible. I wont be consider OP if im TT 99 tryna do what the G16 or Rank9 doing, I would be consider OP if I DO the best that im suspost to do . SO to simply put it .."KNOW your ROLE"

VipertheElf - Sanctuary

RankNine - Momaganon wrote: »

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god, i hate you all b:angry

drop coins for their PoF/OBP share after mushi, leave squad and kill them all b:laugh

Fail_BM - Raging Tide

Sel_Darkmore - Dreamweaver wrote: »

"KNOW your ROLE"

A lot of people cannot learn their role because they spend a lot of time and money buying FC stuff. b:laugh

JustAllEvil - Harshlands

Fail_BM - Raging Tide wrote: »

A lot of people cannot learn their role because they spend a lot of time and money buying FC stuff. b:laugh

THIS. +1000000. FC is worst thing to ever happen to the game.

_blood_rain - Sanctuary

The most common annoyance I encounter in FSP is squads whose members don't know how to cancel the heal at succubus when I'm on my archer.

A close second is DDs (namely, well geared ones) who don't understand how to control their damage or that they even need to at all. I used to help random squads in world chat on my barb when they couldn't find one for toad. Before every toad run I warn people that my weapon may not be as good as theirs, and that even despite my best barb aggro efforts, they may very likely steal aggro if they don't control themselves. I tell squads every single time..and yet, many DD's will go all out and then act like they won some kind of award when they manage to steal aggro. They think it means they are strong for stealing aggro over the other DDs and the tank, but it actually means they are the idiot who doesn't know how to work in squad. I have since stopped helping people with toad because of constant struggles with idiots.

On the flipside, barbs who are half afk and rarely do any kind of aggro skill are a huge annoyance to my archer.

Other than that, the rubberband in there is my greatest enemy -.-

sm3ag0l

fsp is a fun instance where you gotta do stuff instead of no brainer instances.
personally i love fsp its pretty fun and i have lots of fun seeing ppl die :P

pwi should make more fsp like instances where you gotta do stuff to get through.

b:laugh

i agree with blood though the no brainer high DD's are pretty anoying it isnt that hard to not get agro at toad when you behave a bit and dont go all out blasting the boss when a hf gets dropped....

Zoldi - Morai

_blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »

and yet, many DD's will go all out and then act like they won some kind of award when they manage to steal aggro. They think it means they are strong for stealing aggro over the other DDs and the tank, but it actually means they are the idiot who doesn't know how to work in squad.

^this

There are still people who are kinda proud to steal aggro.... (and then if it fails some.of them will blame the barb even if he was way outgeared by them)
As a mystic than can deal great damage I tend to abuse (maybe too much) Absorb Soul on Toad (and Mushi) just to be sure I won't steal aggro even for a tiny second.

Liveena - Heavens Tear

Agro control at toad boss is crucial, if your toon can steal agro from barb at other bosses easily, then please control your damage or switch to other weapon to avoid unnecessary deaths.

Saw an archer with full deity +12 gear steal agro many times at toad boss with a single auto attack.b:surrender

I'm also kinda annoyed with toon with low ref gear or even those who are still wearing tt90. Been able to lvl back to 100 in a few days, yet fail to properly equip your toon b:cry

Well, sometimes funny stuff can happen at toad boss when it goes awfully wrong, like how the entire squad panicked and run all over the place as the barb went poof (dced or killed by DoT) b:laugh

MageMERC - Harshlands

Lolgasmic - Raging Tide wrote: »

I lost my s*** earlier.

I just don't understand, why is it so hard?

Welllllllllllllllll......... If you happen to be someone who dies often in FS, think of it this way.

1) Can I read English?
2) Am I wearing TT90+1?
3) What do these shiney buttons do?
4) I'm not sure what is going on..... I guess I'll just be quiet and learn the instance by **** something up every 10 seconds. Do you agree with this statement?

Depending on how you've answered these questions, could depend on whether or not you should be going to Flowsilver.

Sticky?

1 - Yes English is my only language. I do quite well at it.
2 - Yes.
3 - I know my skills (talking my veno this is)
4 - Here is the problem. I ALWAYS tell people I am inexperienced and ask for advice. I then don't get any. Someone whispers to you somewhere along the way PURGE please. I don't see any IH icons on the boss anywhere, so I continually ask - can you tell me what ICON to purge and to date no one ever replies.

Due to a complete lack of people willing to take a 10 second break here and there to actually give some advice, I have quit FSP.

The advice on the forums, guides and youtube examples don't clear things up. When I get a few more runs with the guild, with people willing to actually help out, yeah then I'll get back into it.

EDIT - just to clarify, I have done 1/2 dozen runs and I guess by pure luck didn't get slaughtered in every single one - in others I died like 20 times. I hate running through anything on luck, which is why I quit.

XDeliciousx - Morai

MageMERC - Harshlands wrote: »

The advice on the forums, guides and youtube examples don't clear things up. When I get a few more runs with the guild, with people willing to actually help out, yeah then I'll get back into it.

If you have a guild forum try open up a tread and ask for 9 ppl who would like to join perma FSP squad. Im sure more people feel same as you and would love to join stable perma squad.

I will also try add FSP guide with detailed tips on my youtube channel in next few days, so stay tuned (https://www.youtube.com/user/DeviIiciousAngel)

Marengo - Lost City

MageMERC - Harshlands wrote: »

The advice on the forums, guides and youtube examples don't clear things up. When I get a few more runs with the guild, with people willing to actually help out, yeah then I'll get back into it.

They do clear everything up, well, in my case they do. Problem can be only if you read/watch guides and others don't. But then it's not your fault if squad dies, you don't lose neither exp nor dolls, nothing much to worry about.

If squad is entirely horrible and unable to do anything, you can always leave it, but it won't hurt to try.

I have seen so many fail squads in my 5 years pw life, on all chars. If you quit because of such things, there is no point to start at all, imo b:chuckle
And what also matters is if you are prepared (proper genie, apo etc) or too dependent on others (many ppl won't ever heal themselves with pots after reviving (not in fs, in general), waiting for cleric to heal them, and die to aoe right away). In the former case you are way safer. Wish more ppl cared about themselves better than they usually do. Nobody requires r9r ofc, but simple pots, holy path and ability to domain+IG sometimes...

Aube_Athenae - Sanctuary

im french
i hate ppl
i read englisch
every team do the FSP the way they want
i know when throws axes
i dont play the other chars so i not gonna mess with her gameplay

Uncharmed in FSP you need a minimum of gear,,,many 100 millions in value
i know and i am one of this CS and i know no
CS =no games but the games need a high number of player so yes some dont have 500 million in value of gear on them.
And plz when i heard someone saying i have farm my R999 refine 12...lol i go watch pron is more realistic.
When you understand you have less than 2% probability to get the your last A cards in the right slot and begin to sell your FSP coin ask your self who buy the flowsilver coin...

Most of what i have heard of you poor crying ppl is coming from CS like me.
But the game to maintain is economy need some who dont CS.
Who farms your minerals herbs and other things ..who buy your gold to purchase what you get useless in token pack...the people who take hours to farms.

Learn to live with everyone

Zoldi - Morai

Aube_Athenae - Sanctuary wrote: »

Who farms your minerals herbs and other things

Unofficial bots?

Aube_Athenae - Sanctuary

Ironycly yes

The same way as two/third of ppl on earth do the same movement 12 hours a day to get somethings to eat when we are here and play...they are man made bot for the ones who have money.

Redmenace - Heavens Tear

MageMERC - Harshlands wrote: »

4 - Here is the problem. I ALWAYS tell people I am inexperienced and ask for advice. I then don't get any. Someone whispers to you somewhere along the way PURGE please. I don't see any IH icons on the boss anywhere, so I continually ask - can you tell me what ICON to purge and to date no one ever replies.

Due to a complete lack of people willing to take a 10 second break here and there to actually give some advice, I have quit FSP.

The advice on the forums, guides and youtube examples don't clear things up. When I get a few more runs with the guild, with people willing to actually help out, yeah then I'll get back into it.

EDIT - just to clarify, I have done 1/2 dozen runs and I guess by pure luck didn't get slaughtered in every single one - in others I died like 20 times. I hate running through anything on luck, which is why I quit.

Since that guy on LC never had a problem finding help or getting squads, obviously you are lying and/or whining. Stop it!

\or at least that's what I learned upthread
\\quiet, he'll hear you!

Sevchenko - Dreamweaver

Right now I ran UCH about 5 or so times and I still don't understand random mystery hitkills from Phyrex last part.

I ran FSP like 3 or so times and I still don't understand what those bigass blue circles on 1st boss do, or what happens if you don't spark on last boss.

Also, 1 thing that makes FSP so hard is that when you die, boss keeps throwing **** at you, mobs are still spawned at you back in the entrance to spawn kill you, so nasty.

Another thing is when some sonova takes agro from toad and he barfs 100k+ damage on every single melee >_>"

Medaka - Morai

Sevchenko - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Right now I ran UCH about 5 or so times and I still don't understand random mystery hitkills from Phyrex last part.

I ran FSP like 3 or so times and I still don't understand what those bigass blue circles on 1st boss do, or what happens if you don't spark on last boss.

Also, 1 thing that makes FSP so hard is that when you die, boss keeps throwing **** at you, mobs are still spawned at you back in the entrance to spawn kill you, so nasty.

Another thing is when some sonova takes agro from toad and he barfs 100k+ damage on every single melee >_>"

Not sure what you're referring to about Phyrex, then again I haven't been in UCH in so long now :c. I'm guessing you're talking about the aoe thing he does.

About those circles, they pretty much do a ton of water damage to you. Some people can tank these fine, but you should avoid having too many stacked on you if you don't think you can handle it (the bigger annoyance is having the DoT on you and not noticing it, a lot of my squads do this ._.).

The last boss gives the whole squad full chi every 30 seconds. If you already have full chi when he does this, you'll die.

It annoys me a lot when people die on frog and don't hit the axes that spawn on them at the entrance, thus making us lose axe count and having to let the boss heal each time.

Euthymius - Heavens Tear

Sevchenko - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Right now I ran UCH about 5 or so times and I still don't understand random mystery hitkills from Phyrex last part.

That is a strange skill. It hits hard (damage spiking similar to Wurlord's magic attack?) but its not always lethal. Sometimes Phyrex paralyzes a target before firing it too...Generally best to stay well out of the glowing area/spark or AD (if paralyzed) just before it goes off.

I ran FSP like 3 or so times and I still don't understand what those bigass blue circles on 1st boss do, or what happens if you don't spark on last boss.

When Azolth's circles explode, they deal heavy damage (maybe it also adds his constant water DoT?). Usually see players manage to deal with one circle without moving, but if two or more is stacked on top of each other, one might not survive...

As for the Chi thing, Mushi draws on the power of that sacred sword near his throne. The chi it emits is so overwhelming that it not only fills up everyone's chi to the max, but threatens to tear you apart from the inside if the excess isn't used up (spark, HF, anything that uses up a lot of chi works)

Eeyup.