For All The Money We Give You Why Cant We Have A Properly Run Game?

SeaGinger - Archosaur wrote: »

chapter 1: ignorant medic

ran tracers and what not, the problem is not my 6.9 index set up, it is the internap, which has to do with the rates they pay for data priority since that determines which internap they use. so no again...not me...pw playing cheap.

it works for me, i barely lag and i dont have anything even close to a gaming PC, so its either you or your ISP or pwi loves me and doesnt let me lag and it hates your for constant QQ threads, its all a conspiracy man

maybe i dont use the same internap you do?...instead of just assuming i am wrong on this ask around, the number of people affected has been decreasing i addmit, but there are still enough of us affected for me to say something here


chapter 2: balancing graysons without being a d***

the classes are balanced in your opinion? surrrrrreeeee.....it's why everyone [EVERYONE] has a sin and still qq's about them and nobody is talking about clerics need a nerf. the debuffs sins mainly use were not affected by passive skills, the seal debuffs clerics use were basically cut in half, without any compensation. clerics and sins the same? prolly...same treatment when in development? hell to the no.

QQing about a sin is easy since whoever is QQing is just lazy.

sins are the easiest class to kill in the game, they are pretty much the equivalent of a psy who is always in Black voodoo. Sins are the only class in game who have no phy/mag/def lvl buff, they have a buff that saves em from death, it has a pretty long cooldown, buffs that either has a low chance of evading damage or a high chance of evading CC(fusion of both but lower % if demon). If you're having problems with a sin you either don't know how to kite or you're just not attacking it.

so i, like so many others who voiced concerns, are lazy now? been sharpening my skills on kiting and practiced with friends, so i am not above checking out your advise and changing my style up as i was debuff heavy before and now debuffs are not as effect as they were. the never-ending crit to crit zerk, still is a problem.

In my experience ive had an easier time dealing with r9rr sins than any others, just because of the fact that they take more damage.

Ive seen a Cleric in TW run into a group of people, kill off a couple then kite away 10-15 people, most of them sins, many of them R9rr, and picking them off. Worst part her gears didn't compare to yours in sharding and refines, at least she didn't last time i saw her do that anyway. so if you're having such a bad time with sins id say the problem your skill.

i call bs on this one cause if they were all trying to kill her and they were in comparable gear, she'd be dead. if your response is gonna continually be: 'it's you, you suck, you're fail' or anything on that slant then i'd say we're done. not gonna engage that kinda talk. everything i have mentioned has a non-personal reason i feel that way. i don't mind a good debate keep it clean.

i recommend you make a sin and play around a while and see their (massive) weaknesses or duel a sin over and over and i do mean duel, no charms, genie, pots, etc. then slowly over the course of many duels introduce them back. By the time you are PKing again with the sin you just might start noticing the balance.

i have on 2r9+12 currently, i find sins boring, especially now. to easy to pk on. that is my personal opinion however. my point in mentioning it is i have done the work on sins. i am not just talking about a class i have never pk'd on. have i practiced on one to be pro? no, the challenge to do so was lacking, it still is.....



chapter 3: money talks

i put money in so yes i do deserve a say so. and though i may be a minority in posting these issues, look around. people are and have been having a crapload of issues with this game. why are our forums consistently so negative? i have looked at others. i dun wanna mention names cause i know how sensitive they are about information getting out about better mmo's, but i have seen it. a problem comes up...devs and gms investigate..a solution is proposed after the findings are in...the proposed change is tested then implemented...with the whole process taking 4-6 weeks, that is not too much to ask for. i'd even tack on two extra weeks here to account for time and language barriers. if we the people who pay and play here, keep sending our money to china for them to provide us with automated service [where is waldo? can't find him cause he's a gm] then we deserve the bs we receive.

if you haven't figured it out yet let me illuminate. everything on the china server is slower paced. the have far less r9's and 3r9's than we do here cause unlike us the have to farm stuff, not just buy it. and they unlike us have the ability to farm dragon orbs so people do that. so everything comes here gets released and then they watch the sparks fly and fix what needs to be fixed before the community over there catches up to it.

You seem to have forgotten a very important thing, this is a free to play game, they make their money off they make their money of people like you who decide to put in money into the game, does that mean you deserve any special treatment, hell no. You put in money and you get something out of it, you're not donating it. Your money earns you the ability to skip farming for money like others do, it earns you the ability to have better gear than most in no time, that's as far as your money takes you.

There's a LOT of people who slowly farmed their r9rr, i know many in arch and if you look around in forums you will find a lot more. seeing as you openly admit that you put money in game i'm gonna assume that you didn't farm your gear, so are you complaining about people that are doing the same as you?

I bought my first r9 set and farmed the other two before the mogs were taken out the dq list, why would i complain about that? i don't see where you draw that inference from. i have not forgotten it's free to play. what i am saying is i believed in the game strongly enough to warrant a decision for me to invest money as did alot of other people. your profit margin has narrowed severely since this expansion has dropped. look it up if you don't believe me. even if i am unable to convince you with my words, the available data speaks for itself.

I'm not saying the game is bugless cuz it obviously isn't, but do you wonder why are you in the minority of all these QQ threads? Its simple, these glitches don't break the game and most importantly we all know they are working on it, could be faster but they are being worked on.

last chapter: unrelated title that has no meaning or connection with the others before it

i love america...free speech. qq after qq after qq after qq. call it what you may. how they are handling these classes, this expansion and this community in general is simply and plainly put: wrong. should i sit and accept it? no. especially when others are saying the same thing i am and are just not up to fighting off the people like you who don't want the game to close here cause of negative publicity and are happy cause they made one of the four classes meant to dominate here.



in this entire post you spoke of lag...that is a known issue, so everyone has outdated or low powered pc's?

My PC is outdated, i havent added anything to make it stronger for gaming since i bought it about 3-4 years ago, my internet is 10mb. if im not multi clienting, downloading stuff or in a tw meeting spot im not lagging. I guess PWI just likes me then

again....different internap?

next was balance...if you took a course in game design then you should know the intrinsic value of class balance and why it is so important to strive for. it enriches your community based and increases the probability that there will be more social interaction cause everyone is playing everything so squads for missions in your world form more easily. look at the community here. let's just take archo, super hard to get grinding runs going if you are not well known, pk is dead cause of bullies and lack of class diversity [everyone is on a archer sin barb or psy] and wc? you say i argue in wc? most of my arguments in wc have been to defend a friend, squash some drama or getting cyberbullies to shut up. that is the extent of our community interaction now.

There's so much wrong in that paragraph, lets start with PK, its a PVE server, i went to it because i didn't want to pk, if you want PK go to a PK server, there the choice to PK but you shouldn't expect to find a PK rich community in a PVE server. Class diversity, i dunno where have you been standing but there's only 2 classes you don't stumble upon regularly, wizards and mystics. and even if those were the only classes people played, what is it to you? its their character, cant they play whatever they like? are you the class police? Grinding runs, you don't need to be well known, if you're having issues getting into grinds its probably because for a long time now you've been known as one of the least reliable clerics in the server. Class balance, again they are quite balanced, you're just too busy looking at them through QQ colored glasses to see it.

again i ask keep it clean. attack what i say with attacking me. i know you are smart enough to do that based on your dialogue so far. okay next, no i am not the class police. i am saying if it was favorable to play all the classes then all the classes would be played and pk'd with. as it stands it is not. least reliable? not even going there cause i was not talking of myself. i have no reason to grind. i was speaking of friends and newcomers that i have had to wc a squad for then leave. and if you read the blog they [pwcn] freely admits the classes are supposed to work on a rock paper scissor system. inherent to a system based one class trumping another, is the subset stratification. subset of classes A can beat subset of classes B, classes B beats C, C beats A. if A can beat B, and your updates made it more resistant to C. you've messed up your own system.

again referring to class balance...if you see the classes as balanced it is a good thing you choose an alternate path. game design is not for you. if you wanna go in length as to why post on my other thread as this is not meant to be the meat of this one. but it is obvious the crit system needs to be reworked for the least.

The Crit system needs a rework? as soon as you say i have nothing to do with game design you come out saying something that shows you don't know what you're talking about. Crit is fine as it is, i saw before you wanted heavy and arcane classes to have more crit rate based on their str and mag respectively. Light classes have the WORST armor in the game, i've been in squads with g16 arcanes that double my defenses, their attacks never miss and you want them to have better crit rate too? heavys not only hit hard but have insane phy def and you want them to have better crits on top of that?

the only thing sins and archers have going for them is crits, their defenses are paper thin and the only thing they have is crits, non crits are pitiful, that's whats called balance. Every Class shouldn't be the same, they need to have their own quirks. You talk as if you knew everything, if you were so good you'd be designing your own MMO, but youre not.


i play all classes in the game, im better at ones than others, but one thing im sure of is, not one has an unfair advantage over another.

If you are okay with crits being tied to one stat and one stat only then ok. we can agree to disagree here. i know everything? that's just childish. so i think i have a legitimate cause to write? sure. whereas i can admit you have given me stuff to think about, can you say the same? or is your only concern about trying to squash a thread you don't agree with?

next was money...i don't think i have to defend my right to comment on something i have contributed to. spend the money to improve the game here...where the income is generated. how do you do that? have some of the devs work here...not only in china. it's the internet. it is possible for them to have a presence here and be home in time for moo goo gai pan. our community and play style is different from theirs, they cherish tradition and conformity.

Like i said before the money you spend here goes into licencing, salaries, maintaining the servers ect. youre not donating your money youre buying stuff ingame. just because you spend money doesnt mean PWE is your employee, they dont have to do what you say, in fact, im pretty sure they wont, no matter how many QQ Threads you make.

Don't want them to be my employee. i want them to care enough to design content and exapnsions that cater to the target market here by reaching out and communicating with us more than they have been. that is not asking for something unreasonable.

problem is when the rest of us leave and with no new blood is coming in who will support this house of cards? but instead of enticing us to stay by having people here to figure out what it is we want/need, they are doing like you, being indifferent as to if we decide to stay and hope/fight it out or simply give up and leave. is that any way to reward customer loyalty?

Ive known a lot of people that had quit and came back after the new horizons update, they happily spending money in game and enjoying it instead of making QQ threads. if updates keep bringing new and interesting stuff into the game, no mater how buggy it is it looks like PWI is gonna keep on running without you

the company's profit margins say otherwise.

last you complained about thread after thread, some of them as similar, others are not. you saw and read at least some of it. even if you don't agree the issues i care about, here they got some exposure, that was my goal. mission accomplished.

if your mission was to keep a negative thread in forums open at all times, i guess you've been doing great, go you

my mission was what i said before. i can't control how people respond. if you wanna hat you are going to no matter what i say or how i say it. not everyone is gonna agree with me and seeing how the patriots of this game are on here more than the rebels i expect my views to be continually attacked moreso than defended. that's ok. cause it's through these debates i as a player grow. i read some stuff, i write some stuff and it is the exchange of ideas that inspiration hits. but again dialogue works best when we are kind to each other in the forum, stick to the topic at hand, speak clearly and refrain form all the little snide remarks and comments that detract from the meat of the conversation.

summerhope - Heavens Tear wrote: »

buffing Crits For Casters?
B:victory Full Support Here, I'd Love To Go Crit More Than Currently 45% On My Cleric, Makes 1shotting R9 Sins Easier With Silly Nirv S3 Gear Easier And Stuff You Knowb:thanks

SHIMBERLY - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Ok uhhhhhh plz ban me from the forums i think i seen enough now ,this page will make the bible cry its so damn long and has red text!

PVM_only - Sanctuary wrote: »

you near end game gear... lvl 95.. you need 300k rep r999 rb2 and refine and shard....

if you dont charge zen you have work for at least 6 month... and you near?

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im a rb2 103/101/101 cleric pure mag r999 (that i just got, be4 that i was full g16 +6 or above)
clerics can perm sleep some1 and do dmg without waking them up... some dont even hit me once some yes hit me and when they stun me is like... plume shell plume shell... but not many can really make me run for it.... think i have a SS or 2 or some barbs i hit on NW and i crit them for 40k+ and i see them using r9 weapon (im not gonna say : w8 let me see gear be4 hit you)

be4 you complain more and trash my reply try get to high lvl get g16 and if you see you need more get r999... the game is balanced but you need to know your class and not beeing an fcc baby that knows to normal attack and has skills lvl 1 (not saying you are one but happens).

exeys wrote: »

See where I am getting at? In essence, we have to consider the possibility that PWI didn't make PvP with just 1v1s or 2v2s in mind, but for PvP in *general*. This means integrating EVERY SINGLE type of PvP in the game - 1v1, 2v2, 10v10, 20v20, 75v75, "fair" PvP fights, "special" conditions, differences in gear, skill, playstyle, human elements. The picture isn't black-and white- it's not even in grayscale - discussing about the OP/broken aspects of certain classes in 1v1 PvP while touching upon nothing else is like having all the colors in the world printed on a large sheet of paper, picking two colors on it to describe the rest of the entire sheet of paper in terms of those two colors, while ignoring the existence of all the other colors on that same sheet of paper.
For the TLDRs: There's much more to PvP than a few possibly "broken' elements in a couple of classes.