Uuuhhhh is it just me or are our skill upgrades possibly OP as hell?

Oh and also it makes you do a crotch thrust like Michael Jackson. So that's nice too.

The important thing is it upgrades your Glacial Shards to give you an epic crotch thrust animation.

Temptatio/V - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Hope to see more posts about with opinions on other new skills.

tl;dr you're an idiot if you merge any of them but the upgrades are fine.

Temptatio/V - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Idiot?
With it now, I don't have to switch anymore from white to black voodoo, and I can stay in white through run.

Ladies and gentlemen, I rest my case.

There's nothing about Furious Ocean that could possibly afford you this advantage. There's nothing keeping you from staying white voodoo, Psy willing and AOEing. Hell, I could upload a video this week if you wanted showcasing how to pull in white voodoo and avoid a charm tick altogether without the need of the skill.

You lost one spammable AOE to buy one that costs a spark and makes you go WRRRRYYYY. You already attacked just as frequently as that zhen, but NOT having the zhen afforded you more individual control over your character and more damage.

Likewise, you lost Torrent. While DoT spells are absolute garbage on any other class, Psy is the noteable exception. Psys, if coordinated, can legit kill a cata barb through turtle with the use of DoT spells. Likewise, certain classes like archer have limited ways to clean these in 1v1 scenarios, so even the tankiest archer that outgears you can be killed with a proper DoT stack THEN onslaught of damage.




Basically, you always want various tools to help you out, and you sacrificed a chi-less, spammable AOE and a DoT spell for a 1 spark zhen. Zhen has only ever been warranted because certain classes, like wizard, cannot achieve the AOE DPS they get from their zhen all otherwise. Psy is not one of those classes. Psy is on the top of the list for when people ask "I like a class that AOEs a lot, which classes AOE constantly?"




The only thing this zhen affords you is the ability to AFK at certain instances, AKA it affords you the ability to be lazy. TW already has enough idiot wizzies and seekers that can't figure out that spinning like a top or putting up a christmas tree is a PvE-focused ability, now it gets dip**** Psys charging full speed at the enemy and going "WRRRRYYY."



I'm sorry but every time I've heard this "everyone has a right to their opinion on how to play," it's been in justification of camping white voodoo as a DD, in justification of going demon or in justification of some wizzie thinking charging at enemy DDs, IGing and putting up an Xmas tree are all brilliant and fair strategies, as if a Psy can be a barb, as if there's a reasonable debate between sage and demon Psy, and as if it's impossible to walk out of range of a ****ing zhen in PVP.


There's having an opinion about something ("should I open with a stun vs this seeker or not?", "should I start in black voodoo or white voodoo or SoSt or SoR in 1v1 against another Psy?") and then there's god damned terriawful, ill-informed decisions. Furious Ocean is one of those.

Temptatio/V - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I understand that your ego is huge and that your opinion is better then any other, your play style is only good one and your choices are better then anyone elses.

I hear this "argument" more and more, and every time, I ask the person making the claim to elaborate on how it's "opinion" by providing evidence to the contrary against my claims. Rarely does it happen. Ego would imply I'm close-minded and unwilling to hear out or accept evidence to the contrary. No, if you have some? Let's damn well hear it and I'd be eager to see it. This? This is confidence. I'm confident you DON'T have evidence to the contrary, and sure enough? Thusfar, your justification is pretty poor.

"It's better to use one skill than three." How? This is absolute nonsense. Just because you have to hit three buttons instead of one doesn't mean it's less effective. It means you have to press more buttons and put more thought into what you're doing (minimal amounts, but more all the same). That's exactly what I'm saying: Furious Ocean is a lazy convenience, NOT a tool that's actually practical or beneficial.
And you say "I pull, Psy will, furious ocean and move on." Yeah, and I pull, Psy will, AOE 2-3 times and move on. Where's the difference? Furious Ocean overs NO benefit to your defense whatsoever, and yet here you are claiming "omg I tick way less now, thanks Furious Ocean!"

There is absolutely no way whatsoever that Furious Ocean would benefit your PV ability aside from allowing you to be lazier. That's it. It doesn't make you tankier, it doesn't make mobs hit lower, it doesn't save you money, and if it even DOES provide better DPS it's impractical. If it does is highly debateable. Hell, let's not debate and speculate...

Take a look at this.


Two things about that? Check his damage with Furious Ocean, check his damage with Sandburst. Mind you, that's vs different types of mobs so it could be the reason for the damage gap, but I sure as HELL don't recall those two mobs taking such drastically different damage. Really? Two mobs in the same run and one takes twice the damage the other takes...? Even pwdatabase agrees with me. You can CLOCK the time it takes him to dispatch mobs with Furious Ocean vs. with Sandburst and Glacial and see a clear difference with the latter being the winner by a significant degree.
Secondly, this zhen falls apart the moment there's ranged DDs. That's why Psys never needed a zhen. We have enough AOEs to easily dispatch both ranged and non-ranged DDs alike. Hell, I'm certain Sandburst could've reached both. Ever done a GV run? Typically as a Psy, you're expected to kill the ranged mobs out of range of the wizzie zhen. Does that mean you can't out-DD that wizzie's zhen? HELL NO, I do it constantly. It just means that wiz is stuck in zhen and can't be assed to drop out. You? You can AOE both near and far no problem.



So please, kindly take your "REPSEKT MY OPINION!11!" attitude and shove it up your ***. I'll respect your "opinion" when your opinion earns it. You wanna prove a point? Back it up with facts. But to sit and cry that I don't respect your opinion when you can't provide EVIDENCE that your "opinion" deserves the respect is on par with if you were to cry that I won't respect your opinion that the Earth is flat rather than round. I'm sick and tired of people being blissfully ignorant and simply screaming "omg what an ***!!" when someone comes along with evidence that trumps their "opinion," simply because it's not worded like "Temptation dearie? b:cute I'm SUPER PROUD of you for making an ill-informed decision and all and I'm glad you're happy with it, but you probably shouldn't do that in the future again, ok sweetie? But if you want to continue doing so, then that's ok and I still love you and I don't think any less of you for it! b:kiss"

No, f*** that. You made a **** decision. Don't do it again and next time look before you leap.



Having said all of that...

The only possible use I can think of for this skill? I've heard a claim that I can't verify that this skill bypasses turtle aswell. I have no idea if that's true, but let's pretend it is.

From the perspective of a TW leader, would I like a Psy with this ability at my disposal? Yes.

From the perspective of being a Psy, would I get it myself? Hell no.

In the same light that I wouldn't mind a demon Psy with the sandburst debuff effect in TW, hell no, I'm not going demon for that because I like SURVIVING. If you wanna put yourself in the line of fire by using this on barbs when they're super capable of simply walking out of range? By all means. I'll be back here hiding safely behind the range of Sand Trap, Telekinesis and Torrent. Only time it'd be even remotely safe is if the barbs are positioned on your crystal with poor support.

So while it might (MIGHT!!!) have one function, it's not something that seems a worthy trade for -any- Psy and I wouldn't wish it or force it upon anyone.

(btw your vision of psy running full speed into tones of people and using FO showing how low you think of other peoples intelligence).

Sadly, no. This is experience from a TW/NW just last week...And it's not something new and exclusive to Psys, wizzies and seekers have been doing this since forever as well.

Inb4 "WOW HURRDURR HARSHLANDS MUST SUCK" as if every server doesn't have a plague of idiots.