Archers forgotten?

jhktwentythree wrote: »

Yea self-buffed venomancer has more pdef than archers right only when they're in fox form.

How about other defensive fronts you clearly conveniently do not wanna bring up?

Immunity

spark cost, 3 sec during which you can't move or do anything

Anti-stun

so much spark

Anti-ailments/debuffs

That's sins, not archers?

Chi restoration

399 chi every 5 min is equal to 1.33 chi per second; skill damage recovers more chi so casters actually win out

Damage reduction

Spark cost.

All these light armors classes have almost all if not all of these statuses from self buffs but clearly they aren't a factor in defense. b:shutup

we were talking archers, not sins?

Pretty sure plenty of caster will gladly give exchange abit of what they have for those.

casters have all of them

antistun: demon summer sprint, purify spell, energy leech, etc
immunity: feral, spirit phalanx, raw defense
anti ailments: purify spell
chi restoration: skill damage + chi skills, same for all classes
damage reduction: windshield, aquaflame armor, superior defense

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also, sutra spark combo with 100+ dex genie jumps arcanes, lol

jhktwentythree wrote: »

Yea archers should be the only class to leap all directions because people like you who play archers find it so hard to turn to the right direction to apply leaps just like what BM and Wizard have to live with. b:cry

Yea Sage Wizard's Force of Will deals damage everyone in a 25m line and silence them and only needs 0.6 cast time right??! Whisper Shot can be have max range and 3m AoE effect and interupt, silence 5 seconds for all you know people like you will still complain about it!

Yea 35m=34m b:pleased nice knowledge for an archer!

LoL GoF 30% proc rate? You sure you know anything about the game or you making a point you want quick shot proc rate to be higher than GoF? Oh wait its already 100% for Sage 50% for Demon. b:bye

Even in full buff Arcanes have lower HP and huge gap in evasion. When unbuffed, Arcanes have lower physical defense and HP, major gap in evasion!

Dude if you wanna QQ about class differences at least DON'T bring up anything that archers have an advantage in please don't look stupid for the other archers.

So the skill you're referencing has a cd of wait for it 3 minutes, and the use of two sparks for that 6 extra range is a waste when you should be using them to either Wings of Grace or Alacrity much better for Kiting and survivability. No archer uses it like ever in NW due to the fact using those two sparks leaves you very vulnerable especially due to its long cast and channel times which is 2.4 seconds in total. This is why this skill isn't worth more than like 2m. So yes I'm gonna increase my range while and end game wizzy will be jumping into my face to abuse the damage reduction we get. That seems really, really smart.

Yes GoF has a 30% proc rate, I swear if you're using the Wiki for your knowledge, I'm gonna sit here and laugh at you continually. Sac Strike has a 25% proc rate. Go ahead and ask any bm or barb to hit on you with a GoF weapon the average times it will proc is 30%. I wouldn't ask a sin due to aps would kinda be hard to judge. I've done several tests and so have my friends.

Oh wait did you just mention arcanes and evasion in the same sentence, MAGIC NEVER MISSES, and you're calling me dumb. GG. A piece of S3R9 AA gives 936 hp at +10, LA gives 1137 hp. 201 hp per piece with 4 pieces so 804 hp is what they're missing in comparison there. I still have to triple spark and purge some of the top tiered AA classes to kill them. The majority of which are +12, fully jaded, and have full +12 pdef ornaments. Who can easily cap out at a 90% pdef reduction with said ornaments. Theres a sage wizzy on HT named Sheswes, he'll get in your face and wreak your ****. Hes sage and has the same or more pdef then some end game demon wizzies I've come across. Idk what casters you deal with on a consistent basis but those I still run from in PVP cuz they have an easier time killing me then me killing them in 1v1s. Like I said they hit the broken part of the survivability index quite easily. I run with a Psy if you give him any sort of buff, any besides his own he hits that 0 index immediately. Please list an archer who does that.

And if you keep insisting that Whisper Shot is actually good, when in PvP do your targets EVER line up in a perfect line to make that skill any sort of viable? Please tell me I am listening. I've only ever sealed more than 1 target in PVE and that was in rebirth and PV.

You're probably a pre-100 theory ***, don't even know how debuffs work lols.

Smack: 18 range
Whisper Shot: 18 range

Smack: 100% hit
Whisper Shot: nope

Smack: interrupts
Whisper Shot: does not interrupt

Smack: 15 chi
Whisper Shot: 1 spark

Smack: 0.2s chan
Whisper Shot: 1.2s chan

Only thing Whisper Shot got over Smack is the line AOE.

Could also compare with Bewitch or FoW but that's just too funny.

who gives a **** about cast time? skills can't be interrupted once into cast time and the skill effect of smack takes place at the end of channel, as does FoW. Fast chan > faster cast

Have you actually played at all? smack/FoW are near instant; whisper shot is flashy as hell and by the time it finishes channeling everyone and their mother has seen it about two clicks of will surge ago, if they even bother will surging that 3 sec seal

wow such stone face

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My point exactly? Fast channels > faster casting

a spark cost skill that's at 1/2 of normal archer range and inferior to comparable skills on other classes b:laugh

jhktwentythree wrote: »

Now you don't wanna talk channeling or cast time cause it's actually a faster finishing skill than the commonly used stunning arrow

So you wanna bring up about chi cost and half range, i can bring up lack of AoE and cooldown about smack. We can go round and round it's okay. b:chuckle

Not sure what class you are but it's pretty clear you're going by the description alone.

The "AoE" on whisper shot is a rectangle 2 meters on either side of the target.. It's not like will of pheonix which is huge. If there was a BM next to the target punching it at normal melee range of 2.5m you wouldn't even hit that BM.

Basically You almost never hit more than 1 target with this skill. Also I'm pretty sure there is some kind of description error because the seal it lasts shorter than smack (and costs 6 times more chi).

OMG! Let's see what's better!

A fast channeling seal that interrupts, or a long channeling seal that doesn't.

I don't need to make smack look good, it's just better.

nottolate wrote: »

Haha i lovd the sarcasm,good archer wont complain at all,archer is hit and run class not to mention the leaps,anti stun and bla bla.It's funny tough they don't agree with the fact they just sit there pressing tab +normal attack i can show u 3480274234233 vids of them doing so.b:laugh

You really made an account just to come whine on this topic? You must be that guy that just got bashed with facts.

By the way, you misspelled your name.

To **** you off?

Well at least they can't **** us on the passives. Moar def = moar def.

I will not be upgrading any skills to the primalame versions..

Look on the bright side. The devs chose to nerf psys and archers, but gave them a choice on whether to take the nerf or not.

How gracious of them!

Plus, some people will actually get them and think they are upgrades.

Pure genius.

lol hardcore haters be hatin on archers even tho shts true that ea's got fked over this expan. sins can have a higher crit % than ea's and pvp wise sht isnt fun dealin w/ zc all day long.

Veneir - Dreamweaver wrote: »

do archers indeed just get less extra crit from the passive >:?

Well, no. The passive gives a flat 1% crit per level. But here's the thing - an additional 7% crit makes a lot more difference when your base crit is 5% than when your base is 65%.

65%: 1.72/1.65 = 4.2% average damage increase
5%: 1.12/1.05 = 6.7% average damage increase

So the fact that archers have significantly more crit means that we get less of an overall benefit from the crit passive. Combine this with the fact that the vast majority of an archer's damage comes from autoattacks instead of skills, and eas basically got crapped on as far as the new passives are concerened.

Veneir - Dreamweaver wrote: »

and more importantily is the 'Rage Damage: 200%' stat on the character screen totally pointless in that there's no way for it to go over 200 even for archers OTL?

To my knowledge, the only skill that increases Rage Damage is a sin's Wolf Emblem.