Archers forgotten?

KingThis - Heavens Tear

As the title states.
Every other class received many OP skills and upgrades.
While archers got screwed over. It's ridiculous at the skill upgrades most classes received. Archers received 1 good skill the frost splash, but wow 2 sparks and 3 min CD... seriously?

Euthymius - Heavens Tear

KingThis - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Every other class received many OP skills and upgrades.

>Believing that everyone got "OP" skills when many find them to be underwhelming or prefer to use the older skills

XxWilxX - Heavens Tear

Aren't archers OP enough already? ZzZzZz

Asterelle - Sanctuary

I have lots of doubts about Frost Splash. I have trouble believing a 1.5 second debuff of any kind is going to be worth 2 sparks and having damage spread out evenly over 5 small hits makes it easier to defend against. I'd prefer getting 2 waves of barrage instead I think.

Before people say Feather Armageddon is aoe player knockback, the book has the correct description: http://i.imgur.com/8FCjMsf.png

There is also a significant nerf to Spirit Blackhole since the passive defense buff seems to max out at 56% and basically becomes an unpurgeable cleric buff.

The crit passive is giving everyone much higher crit while it benefits archer least due to diminishing return.

The skill damage passive is lost on archer due to their lack of damaging skills and reliance on auto attacks to purge.

This is the worst expansion for archers since Rising Tide.

Heartz - Dreamweaver

both good and bad, that pdef/mdef passive. on the other hand it also benefit us more def wise, than other classes, cos of our low values.
But i guess that's why we get so much attack power from spririt and extra stat points.. to hit through that passive lmao.

Deflectra - Sanctuary

KingThis -Heavens Tear wrote:

As the title states.
Every other class received many OP skills and upgrades.
While archers got screwed over. It's ridiculous at the skill upgrades most classes received. Archers received 1 good skill the frost splash, but wow 2 sparks and 3 min CD... seriously?

Leave it to an Archer to QQ about not getting a boost, us Psys got nerfed but you don't hear us crying:

Vector gets nerfed (reduced stun %)
glacial shards gets nerfed (reduced range)
aqua cannon gets nerfed (costs chi and less damge)
sage spirit blast gets nerfed (20% for extra 30 chi = +6 chi per hit average = 16chi average compared to 15 chi w/ update)
Soul of Vengence gets nerfed
and if we upgrade sand trap, that gets nerfed as well? (30 sec cd instead of 15 sec and almost no extra power taking away telekensis effect, o and it costs chi to =D)

Euthymius - Heavens Tear wrote: »

>Believing that everyone got "OP" skills when many find them to be underwhelming or prefer to use the older skills

Don't think he even took 2 seconds to come to the conclusion that everyone else got OP skills.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

KingThis - Heavens Tear wrote: »

As the title states.
Every other class received many OP skills and upgrades.
While archers got screwed over. It's ridiculous at the skill upgrades most classes received. Archers received 1 good skill the frost splash, but wow 2 sparks and 3 min CD... seriously?

are you trolling or what lol.

what did you expect archers to get? because critting from 92347584354m just wasnt enough

Eoria - Harshlands

Deflectra - Sanctuary wrote: »

Vector gets nerfed (reduced stun %)

Newbie area skill.

glacial shards gets nerfed (reduced range)

Pretty sure this is just fixed description?

aqua cannon gets nerfed (costs chi and less damge)

Only if you upgrade it.

sage spirit blast gets nerfed (20% for extra 30 chi = +6 chi per hit average = 16chi average compared to 15 chi w/ update)

Only if you upgrade it.

Soul of Vengence gets nerfed

Newbie area skill.

and if we upgrade sand trap, that gets nerfed as well? (30 sec cd instead of 15 sec and almost no extra power taking away telekensis effect, o and it costs chi to =D)

Only if you upgrade it.

HideYoHubby - Archosaur

I would actually argue the passive defense buff isnt completely horrible change for archers, least real endgame ones. I suspect the passive will push defenses close enough breaking points, sure defenses alone arent everything but LA classes will be getting buff. But meh, I would have to dedicate few hours to playing with numbers and just not feeling like it.

LAs problem has always been its weak against both types, few buffs and it should become strong against both or least decent. But obviously this will be far larger buff to sins who dont have purge in the first place. Archers getting beefier but having more problems killing people, not sure I like this direction. Funny thing will be, endgame archers will be even more hated among population as most of population is far too undergeared to take hits from them and said archers just got beefier for them.

Valirah - Sanctuary

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

what did you expect archers to get? because critting from 92347584354m just wasnt enough[/COLOR]

Crits that do the damage of most other class's normals at a few extra yards of range on a frame with the worst defense in the game. IDK, I was hoping for a nudge up somewhere, anywhere, rather than what looks to be an all around weakening of the class in comparison to the rest.

DionDagger - Dreamweaver

Valirah - Sanctuary wrote: »

Crits that do the damage of most other class's normals at a few extra yards of range on a frame with the worst defense in the game. IDK, I was hoping for a nudge up somewhere, anywhere, rather than what looks to be an all around weakening of the class in comparison to the rest.

Do you like live in a fantasy world? Archer normals=my crits. And I'm a r9.3 +10 pure dex sin. Even with zerk a g16 +10 archer can out DD me. You gotta be on **** crack.

Deflectra - Sanctuary

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

Newbie area skill.



Pretty sure this is just fixed description?



Only if you upgrade it.



Only if you upgrade it.



Newbie area skill.



Only if you upgrade it.

Thanks for clearing that up

opkossy

DionDagger - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Do you like live in a fantasy world? Archer normals=my crits. And I'm a r9.3 +10 pure dex sin. Even with zerk a g16 +10 archer can out DD me. You gotta be on **** crack.

... I don't have enough what to encompass my thoughts towards this post. The heck are you doing wrong because when it comes to DD my sin > my archer. And that's with even gear.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

DionDagger - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Do you like live in a fantasy world? Archer normals=my crits. And I'm a r9.3 +10 pure dex sin. Even with zerk a g16 +10 archer can out DD me. You gotta be on **** crack.

+1 b:surrender

Slivaf - Dreamweaver

Isn't it funny how we ALL... think of a 'strength' like range or extra hp/stuns doesn't do enough to balance out the game completely for everyone?

I think it is. :$

The truth of the matter is that everything has its weaknesses, and its strengths. (It is really hard to see things as balance, when certain things are ridiculously difficult to overcome.)

HideYoHubby - Archosaur

OPKossy wrote: »

... I don't have enough what to encompass my thoughts towards this post. The heck are you doing wrong because when it comes to DD my sin > my archer. And that's with even gear.

Actually, my archer hits far harder with N3 bow +10 than my sin with N3+12 daggers. Sin deals far more dps due aps but when it comes to dph, sin is pretty low on rankings outside of zerk crits.

Ps. The reply you responded isnt realistic either though.

Anri_Rose - Archosaur

Insert general statement about the state of Wizzie's in the game and how every other class is OP in comparison.


Q.Q poor archers

Oh , just to ask how did wizzies fare for new skills with this update I have not yet gotten so far as to see what they can do for me.

Asterelle - Sanctuary

Anri_Rose - Archosaur wrote: »

Insert general statement about the state of Wizzie's in the game and how every other class is OP in comparison.

Trolling or ignorant? Look at videos from Adroit or someone and see how other classes fare. Wiz have top defense, offense, and very good control skill, and top anti control skill.

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver

I think Archers arent allowed to QQ in peace. Too many haters b:laugh

Anri_Rose - Archosaur

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Trolling or ignorant? Look at videos from Adroit or someone and see how other classes fare. Wiz have top defense, offense, and very good control skill, and top anti control skill.

Only if your at the top hun.

Asterelle - Sanctuary

Anri_Rose - Archosaur wrote: »

Only if your at the top hun.

I really hate people who don't know the difference between class balance and gear. They pollute the forums with lousy arguments.
A **** geared character of every class dies to end game players. If you don't have equal gear in PVP you have absolutely no perspective from which to form a worthwhile opinion. Keep your ignorance to yourself.

Slivaf - Dreamweaver

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I think Archers arent allowed to QQ in peace. Too many haters b:laugh

NO ONE is allowed to "QQ" on these forums without someone else coming in and giving their opinion/rebuttal about the "QQer's" opinion.

Its not limited to just archers. b:avoid

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

astypoo is mad f:beg

SakuLv - Dreamweaver

KingThis - Heavens Tear wrote: »

As the title states.
Every other class received many OP skills and upgrades.
While archers got screwed over. It's ridiculous at the skill upgrades most classes received. Archers received 1 good skill the frost splash, but wow 2 sparks and 3 min CD... seriously?

i could say the same about venos
1 skill for human form and rest fox form ..but oh well


P.S Archer already r OP

Senel - Dreamweaver

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

I have lots of doubts about Frost Splash. I have trouble believing a 1.5 second debuff of any kind is going to be worth 2 sparks and having damage spread out evenly over 5 small hits makes it easier to defend against. I'd prefer getting 2 waves of barrage instead I think.

Before people say Feather Armageddon is aoe player knockback, the book has the correct description: http://i.imgur.com/8FCjMsf.png

There is also a significant nerf to Spirit Blackhole since the passive defense buff seems to max out at 56% and basically becomes an unpurgeable cleric buff.

The crit passive is giving everyone much higher crit while it benefits archer least due to diminishing return.

The skill damage passive is lost on archer due to their lack of damaging skills and reliance on auto attacks to purge.

This is the worst expansion for archers since Rising Tide.

Can you explain this discription then when you create a new character?? Becuase either this is the correct discription or the forges is the wrong one so which one is the correct discription?

Astraelys - Raging Tide

b:sad sometimes i think PW don't know the meaning of being a archer.

Nothing special on new skills, before i give my opinion i want said im a SAGE archer. Ok i already get the ΦKiss of Snake good skill, no complaints of this skill, good damage. I tested the ΦFeather Armageddon and the ΩFrost Splash thanks to Item "Archer Tips" for newbies, is not exactly the lvl 12 skill, but look like the same in esscense. ΦFeather Armageddon is the same as Wing Burst (Wingspan) they ad 2000 more of damage from 4347, so merger 2 skills for 2000 damage and losing Wing Strike (Winged Pledge) a good skill for close range combat.

ΩFrost Splash look good and helpfull 5 aoe blast, but is via "Archer Tip" so they don't have the debuffs, i want test the real skill, this:

Range Ranged
Mana ??
Channel 1.0 seconds
Cast 2.5 seconds
Cooldown 3 minutes
Weapon Ranged Weapons

Requisite Cultivation Master of Harmony
Fire 5 volleys at all enemies in front of you,
dealing a total of base physical damage plus 750%
of weapon damage. Each hit reduces the target's
speed by 80% and has a 20% chance to freeze the
targets for 1.5 seconds. Frozen enemies are
vulnerable, increasing incoming damage by 30%.
Each hit has a chance to trigger special weapon
effects. Deals full damage regardless of range.

Costs 1 unit of ammo.
Costs 2 Sparks.


So i can comment about this skill, maybe will be good for tw...maybe.

And at final ΦWinged Shell is the more expensive new (update) skill from the four skills take more time to get it and seriously 500 more of damage adsortion damage....some mobs with [?] hith more than 1800. Players with equal gear did it too.


I my opinion nothing new for archers only a merge of skills for reduce us number of skills b:surrender.

freygin

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Wiz have top defense, offense, and very good control skill, and top anti control skill.

Agree.

I.m.o wizzies need to be nerfed somehow on either their ridiculous defenses or the broken spark genie. They have a lot of fire debuff with different icons that make them stack, can also teleport 25 metres every 10 seconds for escaping or getting close to an archer for half damage and use spark. They also have various stopper skills like sleep silence and stun that can be chained to a stunlock.

Sometimes on my archer I am undecided whether to hit a wiz using a physical or magical skills since both deal low damage to them due to their ridiculously high defense/mdefense.

As an archer, what kind of skills do archers should have ?

Astraelys - Raging Tide

Senel - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Can you explain this discription then when you create a new character?? Becuase either this is the correct discription or the forges is the wrong one so which one is the correct discription?

The skills from "Archer Tips" is not the lvl 12 skill is like or similar but is not the final skill.

Chuck_smith - Sanctuary

Well, it would be bad for the company so I won't even say it...

However, just suck it up and deal with it you slaves. You'll just pay for the game, pvp then QQ again anyway.

abbooodi

All the ignored fools making statements, just cute.
My friend whom is a sin tried his new skill on me. you know the one that does 5 hits within one second and roots the char from moving. well that skill alone was doing 10ks per hit on me. we're both equally geared. i stand at 18k unbuffed hp. I died before he even did all 5 hits.

Burnout - Harshlands

Just seems like there's no end to archer QQ despite the fact that you do fine in nearly everything except pure unbuffed 1v1's, which is something that doesn't even matter much imo.

The 56% defense buff will help archers as much as arcanes - it's in fact a nerf to wizzies more than archers imo because that 56% m def can't be debuffed by undine or genie spark. We aren't scared of purge because it removes 60% p def...we're scared of it because it removes a 120% self buff, and the new passives don't do anything to help us in that department.

Archers will actually gain more p def from that buff than the majority of arcanes because their base p def is slightly higher (even with elemental neck). That's gonna help quite a bit vs sins.

We'll gain a bunch of m. def, but that doesn't really help us against archers, along with some p def.