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  • DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver
    DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,396 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Please tell me that aqua impact and spirit blast will now beable to be made with pof or obp at least. haven only ever seen aqua impact for sale for some outrageous price.

    No, they only drop from hellfire and peachblossom.
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  • Ragamufinsin - Dreamweaver
    Ragamufinsin - Dreamweaver Posts: 127 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Please tell me that aqua impact and spirit blast will now beable to be made with pof or obp at least. haven only ever seen aqua impact for sale for some outrageous price.

    thats not the only case. They need to do something about the Assassin book - Puncture wound be it demon or sage, this book is too rare, i have never seen an instance of it and have only heard myths about ppl learning it, this book is a requirement to merge 1 of the new skills. how are we supposed to get new skills if we cant get old ones???
    it is so bad that ppl actually started threads asking if these skills existed in game or the information was just pointing at a blank that didnt get implemented.

    GMs plz ask devs to provide a way to access these skills before adding new additions/upgrades to these impossible to get skillsb:angryb:angry
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  • DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver
    DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,396 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    thats not the only case. They need to do something about the Assassin book - Puncture wound be it demon or sage, this book is too rare, i have never seen an instance of it and have only heard myths about ppl learning it, this book is a requirement to merge 1 of the new skills. how are we supposed to get new skills if we cant get old ones???
    it is so bad that ppl actually started threads asking if these skills existed in game or the information was just pointing at a blank that didnt get implemented.

    GMs plz ask devs to provide a way to access these skills before adding new additions/upgrades to these impossible to get skillsb:angryb:angry

    The same is true for twin strike, and both puncture and twin only drop in SoT/Aba
    Which is **** to say the least.
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  • Jojoushi - Sanctuary
    Jojoushi - Sanctuary Posts: 211 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Sticky this!
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  • Desdi - Sanctuary
    Desdi - Sanctuary Posts: 8,680 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Not sure how many of you have taken the time to read though this yet, but some of the new skills are GAME-CHANGING. I'm gonna make a list of all the ones which I think will significantly impact how people fight each other. My comments are in blue.

    It's true that now you won't be able to see which debuff landed on you but the same applies to the Demons lol. It's gonna be a wild guess when it comes down to using Arcane Antinomy.

    The 180% is also pretty weak against HA classes whereas Demon Ironwood would lower their defence to 0 and watch them cry. I guess it's okay for AAs but for those that have 35k physical defence not sure. Someone on the Venomancer sub-forum tried reproducing a 180% debuff to see how much it affects defences and I wasn't as impressed as I thought I would. Not saying it's a negligible debuff though.

    It feels like they made Demon Ironwood more squad/teamplay oriented. I'm fairly sure most PvP Demon Venomancers won't upgrade to the new version, at least not right away. I know plenty who have expressed their dislike over this upgrade.


    Stunning Blow is a 8 second freeze. It works just like before but the change is that now it won't miss so it becomes a reliable freeze for Venomancers. Demon one has a 50% chance to stun though. I'm interested to see how I can include it into my playstyle and how it's going to affect it.
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  • Aeliah - Dreamweaver
    Aeliah - Dreamweaver Posts: 784 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    part 2 lol.
    === ARCHER ===

    ΦFrost Splash

    Range Ranged
    Mana ??
    Channel 1.0 seconds
    Cast 2.5 seconds
    Cooldown 3 minutes
    Weapon Ranged Weapons

    Requisite Cultivation Master of Harmony
    Fire
    5 volleys at all enemies in front of you,
    dealing a total of base physical damage plus
    750%
    of weapon damage. Each hit reduces the target's
    speed by
    80% and has a 20% chance to freeze the
    targets for
    1.5 seconds. Frozen enemies are
    vulnerable, increasing incoming damage by
    30%.
    Each hit has a chance to trigger special weapon
    effects. Deals full damage regardless of range.

    Costs 1 unit of ammo.
    Costs 2 Sparks.

    Sage version increases the freeze chance to 25%.

    Whether this is scary depends on how fast those volleys are, and whether the 30% amp stacks with other amps. Also: while firing off this aoe, can the archer do other things?

    ΦFeather Armageddon

    Range 5 Meters
    Mana ??
    Channel 1.0 seconds
    Cast 0.4 seconds
    Cooldown 6.0 seconds
    Chi Gained 25
    Weapon Any

    Requisite Cultivation Aware of the Myriad
    Turn your feathers into razor-sharp projectiles, launching
    them at all enemies within
    10 Meters. Deals base physical
    damage plus
    6499 and knocks player targets back 9 Meters.

    Sage version generates 25 Chi.

    This could easily be one of the most broken skills ever if it knocks back players. Archers would be untouchable for melees


    === CLERIC ===


    ΦGreat Cyclone

    Range ?? Meters
    Mana ??
    Channel 1.0 seconds
    Cast 1.0 seconds
    Cooldown 3.0 seconds
    Chi Gained 10
    Weapon Unarmed, Magic instrument

    Requisite Cultivation Aware of the Myriad
    Summon an immense cyclone around the enemy, dealing
    base magic damage plus
    100% of weapon damage plus
    5266. Reduces the enemy's speed by 50% for 10 seconds.

    Has no cooldown while using Violet Dance.

    Sage version increases the speed reduction to
    50%, and the duratino to 10 seconds.

    This one skill is the reason why the cleric updates aren't completely boring. 50 chi every 30seconds is nice but not game-breaking, and wellspring surge heals for an amazing... 600 more hp. However, no cd on great cyclone will greatly increase a cleric's dps when in Violet Dance mode. Currently when dpsing, we resort to using wield thunder and thunderball; but even so, with channeling as fast as mine, I run out of attacks to use, and resort to plume shots, which don't hit nearly as hard.


    === SEEKER ===

    ΦChaos Blade

    Range 20 Meters
    Mana 70
    Channel 0.3 seconds
    Cast 0.7 seconds
    Cooldown 15.0 seconds
    Chi Gained 25
    Weapon Blade or Sword

    Required Cultivation Master of Harmony
    Infuse your enemy with chaotic magic,
    increasing the damage taken by a non-
    player target by
    50% for 10 minutes.

    Cannot be bound as your primary attack.

    Sage version increases damage taken by 50%.

    This has no implications for pvp, but wowowowow, in pve seekers are the new bms. Assuming that this attack stacks with other amps, seekers will be much more highly desired when fighting bosses.

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  • Aeliah - Dreamweaver
    Aeliah - Dreamweaver Posts: 784 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    part 3 cuz forums are lame about post length:
    EDIT: its actually the little quasi-period in the extreme.sacrificial slash (but period is half way up the e) that was bugging out the copy-paste. How interesting.

    Edit 2: this isn't to say that all of these skills that I call 'game-changers' are easy to acquire. I'm ignoring that to just focus on the effect these skills can/could have on gameplay.



    [/color]Extreme Sacrificial Slash

    Mana ??
    Channel 0.2 seconds
    Cast 0.8 seconds
    Cooldown 30.0 seconds
    Weapon Blade or Sword

    Required Cultivation Aware of Vacuity
    Abandon your defensive
    maneuvers and go completely
    on the offensive, reducing your
    Defense Level by
    40% and
    increasing your Attack level by
    50% of the Defense Level reduction.
    Lasts
    15 seconds. Reduces your
    Defense Level by a minimum of
    20.


    ΦQuid Pro Quo

    Range 28 Meters
    Mana 330
    Channel 0.2 seconds
    Cast 0.5 seconds
    Cooldown 30 seconds
    Chi Gained 10
    Weapon Blade or Sword

    Required Cultivation Master of Harmony
    Redirect the flow of magic from you to your enemy, transferring up to
    10 negative
    status effects from yourself to your target, and silencing the target for
    3 seconds.

    Sage version silences targets for 3 seconds.

    Because blocking a seeker's deadliest combo wasn't difficult enough already (sarcasm). The channeling timese for these skills have been virtually eliminated. That means that a seeker no longer needs to use blade affinity (which is traditionally the warning flag that a seeker is about to qpq sacrificial slash onto you) to qpq. They can do it whenever, and you'll have to have very, very fast reaction time indeed to block it. And lest we forget---costs no chi, and can be done every 30seconds.


    ΦGravel Blade

    Range 20 Meters
    Mana 75
    Channel 0.3 seconds
    Cast 0.7 seconds
    Cooldown 3.0 seconds
    Chi Gained 10
    Weapon Blade or Sword

    Required Cultivation Aware of the Myriad
    Combine multiple techniques into a single, massive
    blow against your enemy. Deals
    110% of base physical
    damage plus
    100% of weapon damage plus 1650.

    Has a
    65% chance to apply the Spirit Bore status,
    causing your
    ●Gemini Slash to deal an additional
    7950 Metal damage and reduce the target's Attack
    and Defense Levels by
    10 for 3 minutes.

    Has a
    25% chance to apply the
    Bloodletting status, causing your
    ●Stalagstrike to deal an additional 3750
    damage and stun the target for
    3 seconds.

    Sage version deals an additional 550 damage.
    Sage version has a 65% chance to apply Spirit Bore.
    Sage version has a 25% chance to apply Bloodletting.


    ΦWind Blade

    Range 20 Meters
    Mana 70
    Channel 0.2 seconds
    Cast 0.8 seconds
    Cooldown 2.0 seconds
    Chi Gained 10
    Weapon Blade or Sword

    Required Cultivation Aware of the Myriad
    Slash through your enemy with a swift, powerful attack,
    dealing
    110% of base physical damage plus 100% of weapon
    damage plus
    1815. Has a 40% chance to deal an additional
    2060 damage, immobilize the target for 3 seconds, and
    reduces the target's Defense Level by
    20 for 8 seconds.

    Sage version reduces the cooldown by 1 seconds.
    Sage version has a 40% chance to deal additional damage.

    ΦGlowing Blade

    Range 20 Meters
    Mana 80
    Channel 0.2 seconds
    Cast 1.3 seconds
    Cooldown 3.0 seconds
    Chi Gained 10
    Weapon Blade or Sword

    Required Cultivation Celestial Sage
    Charge your weapon with mystical
    light to strike a deadly blow
    against your enemy. Deals
    110% of
    base physical damage plus
    100% of
    weapon damage plus
    3520 as Metal
    damage. Increases Threat. Has a
    20%
    chance to apply the Disarmed status
    for
    10 seconds, causing your Arme Nier
    to deal an additional
    4080 damage and
    remove the target's weapon for
    6 seconds.

    Sage version deals an additional 660 damage.

    Ok guys, I'm not sure if you've noticed, but this is a really, really important change. Previously, a seeker had to go into a 'stance'. Once in that stance, they could use attacks to land very 'pre-debuffs', and then once they got that pre-buff on you, they could use a certain attack to land another status debuff. Like: parchedblade dance > hit a few times to get pre-debuff > stalagstrike > target stunned.

    NOW: A seeker doesn't need stances. Look at the cds on all three of these skills. 3s, 2s, and 3s. Think about that for a moment. A seeker can cycle between these 3 attacks and potentially put ALL of the pre-debuffs onto you, ALL at once. That means that a seeker can quickly place 10 attack/def lvl debuff, stun, 20 def lvl debuff, and disable weapon, all very quickly, WHILE doing REALLY GOOD damage (the skills themselves have really good dmg). This is huge. This will make seekers much much more dangerous than before.

    === MYSTIC ===

    Extreme.Lysing

    Mana ??
    Channel Instant
    Cooldown %.1f seconds
    Weapon Unarmed, Magic instrument

    Required Cultivation Aware of Principle
    Overpower your summoned plant with
    nature's fury, causing all plants
    within
    26.5 Meters of the target to
    violently explode. Deals damage and causes
    additional effects based on the plant types.

    The range of each plant's explosion is 10 Meters.

    I think people might overlook this one but it is actually really important. Previously, if a mystic was about to lyse a sleep plant, you had time to run/walk away from the plant that was about to explode. No longer. The channel for lysing is instant. There is no escaping mystic plants anymore, which will greatly increase a mystic's ability to control their targets.


    ΦSwirling Mist

    Range 27 Meters
    Mana 225
    Channel 1.0 seconds
    Cast 1.0 seconds
    Cooldown 15.0 seconds
    Chi Gained 10
    Weapon Unarmed, Magic instrument

    Required Cultivation Aware of the Myriad
    Conjure a ball of condensed mist to strike all enemies within
    10 Meters of your target, dealing base magic damage plus 6018
    as Wood damage and applying the Mist's Grasp status. When the
    target's Health is below
    60%, Mist's Grasp will activate
    for
    6 seconds, dealing base magic damage plus 4300 as Wood
    damage. Mist's Grasp lasts
    45 seconds or until activated.

    Sage version increases the damage of Mist's Grasp by 1800.

    This will help mystic's a lot when doing aoe damage. No longer do they need to seal stuff when aoeing (will help a lot in pve), and in pvp, they can pump out a lot more aoe damage to be a larger threat.
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  • O_Kitiara_O - Archosaur
    O_Kitiara_O - Archosaur Posts: 36 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    part 2 lol.

    hm...i think that attack only applies to the seeker who casted it, like heart/mind shatter i believe only apply the dmg to the seeker unless they changed it, but nonetheless still pretty powerful. b:sweat

    EDIT: sorry, forgot to state it was for chaos blade
    icon is broken, im really a mysticb:pleased
  • iperen
    iperen Posts: 2
    edited December 2013
    Not sure how many of you have taken the time to read though this yet, but some of the new skills are GAME-CHANGING. I'm gonna make a list of all the ones which I think will significantly impact how people fight each other. My comments are in blue.

    On the Psychic note :
    The cd didn't change.
    If the freeze becomes a stun, yes it is a game changer, or more a class changer that's needed compared to the other skill changes.
    If the freeze stays a freeze (possible since stun and freeze are often messed up in translations) it's changing 2m radius for about 4k add on damage. Said differently, psychics only get worthy changes in PvE. Psychics don't really need upgrades the most, but considering the breaking upgrades on some classes that don't need it at all *coughwizardscough*, it still kinda sucks.

    I hope it's the 1st, because psychics are already partly a support class. The class doesn't have a great damage output unless an opportunity is created with control skills or power combined with that of a squad. The damage isn't really increased as it seems, especially compared to other classes, making glacial shards a stun (unreliable, but rather spammable and long) would make up for the lack of damage added compared to other classes.
  • Deceptistar - Sanctuary
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary Posts: 10,454 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    i still think there is no love for seeker skills in this update b:cry
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  • DeffyNature - Archosaur
    DeffyNature - Archosaur Posts: 1,400 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    iperen wrote: »
    On the Psychic note :
    The cd didn't change.
    If the freeze becomes a stun, yes it is a game changer, or more a class changer that's needed compared to the other skill changes.
    If the freeze stays a freeze (possible since stun and freeze are often messed up in translations) it's changing 2m radius for about 4k add on damage. Said differently, psychics only get worthy changes in PvE. Psychics don't really need upgrades the most, but considering the breaking upgrades on some classes that don't need it at all *coughwizardscough*, it still kinda sucks.

    I hope it's the 1st, because psychics are already partly a support class. The class doesn't have a great damage output unless an opportunity is created with control skills or power combined with that of a squad. The damage isn't really increased as it seems, especially compared to other classes, making glacial shards a stun (unreliable, but rather spammable and long) would make up for the lack of damage added compared to other classes.

    Psychics are support and do not do great damage? What game are you talking about b:shutupb:bored
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  • Aeliah - Dreamweaver
    Aeliah - Dreamweaver Posts: 784 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    i still think there is no love for seeker skills in this update b:cry

    Ya... just shush lol. The seeker one-shot combo became much much harder to block, demon qpq now stuns for 4 seconds, and seekers got the ability to apply all of their nasty, mostly unique debuffs faster than ever before, as well as gaining some very hard-hitting skills in the process. Seekers should have nothing to complain about.

    Fact is everybody got something kinda nice, just some got certain skills that are more than just 'nice', and downright 'holy **** are you kidding?'. Its those skills (like archer aoe knockback for example) that we'll have to see the effect of when people actually start acquiring them.
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  • Deceptistar - Sanctuary
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary Posts: 10,454 Arc User
    edited December 2013

    Fact is everybody got something kinda nice, just some got certain skills that are more than just 'nice', and downright 'holy **** are you kidding?'. Its those skills (like archer aoe knockback for example) that we'll have to see the effect of when people actually start acquiring them.
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  • Nudimmud - Lost City
    Nudimmud - Lost City Posts: 175 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Ya... just shush lol. The seeker one-shot combo became much much harder to block, demon qpq now stuns for 4 seconds, and seekers got the ability to apply all of their nasty, mostly unique debuffs faster than ever before, as well as gaining some very hard-hitting skills in the process. Seekers should have nothing to complain about.

    Fact is everybody got something kinda nice, just some got certain skills that are more than just 'nice', and downright 'holy **** are you kidding?'. Its those skills (like archer aoe knockback for example) that we'll have to see the effect of when people actually start acquiring them.


    You do know that those unique debuffs can't be used in pvp right?

    Also, the one-shot combo is useless in end-game pvp.

    Finally, most seekers are sage. So please, continue.
  • Deceptistar - Sanctuary
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary Posts: 10,454 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    You do know that those unique debuffs can't be used in pvp right?

    Also, the one-shot combo is useless in end-game pvp.

    Finally, most seekers are sage. So please, continue.
    i swear all that toxic smog in china must have gotten to them while thinking of the seeker skills b:surrender

    my assessment: o,o

    Chaos Blade
    - Makes seekers a pve buff betch. unusable in pvp

    Extreme Sacrificial Slash
    - Makes seekers squishier than ever against all the new stuns and 5 digit dmg's of other new class skills

    Quid Pro Quo
    - Channeling wasnt really an issue to begin with and 1 out of 50 seekers would have a demon stun o.o

    Gravel Blade
    - Snot dmg compared to the new and improved chi-ful wizzy, 5digit dmg sins, stuncrazy bms, and even more so annoying psy/mys. Problematic if you even get the skill off against other classes

    Wind Blade
    - Snot dmg compared to the new and improved chi-ful wizzy, 5digit dmg sins, stuncrazy bms, and even more so annoying psy/mys. Problematic if you even get the skill off against other classes

    Glowing Blade
    - Snot dmg compared to the new and improved chi-ful wizzy, 5digit dmg sins, stuncrazy bms, and even more so annoying psy/mys. Problematic if you even get the skill off against other classes
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  • Aeliah - Dreamweaver
    Aeliah - Dreamweaver Posts: 784 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Faster sacrificial slash and qpq makes a seeker squishier... how exactly? rofl, its the OPPOSITE; the debuff stays on seeker for a shorter length of time, with decreased chance that channeling gets interrupted, and you can pass off the debuffs faster. Its entirely win for seekers. Annnnd... a cursory search through forums shows, uh, yeah, the 1-shot combo for seekers is alive and well. Hell I've been on the receiving end of it fairly often lately, after fighting seekers for a while, and yes, it is very very dangerous. I can often survive it because I can see it coming. However, with the upgraded versions, I'll have difficulty reacting to the sac slash > qpq combo fast enough even if I'm watching the seeker closely, due to how much the channeling AND casting on BOTH skills has been reduced. And as we all know, seekers often need only 1 hit to finish people off...

    Gravel blade dmg will scale with double or triple spark a ton due to 110% base damage add... yeah, ignore that moar plz.

    Defense level debuffs are kinda unique to seekers, just sayin... as are the 'pre-debuffs' that turn into debuffs like disable weapon, stuns, attack lvl/defense level debuffs (because other classes totally have 3 minute pvp-able debuffs... NOT). Bms are the only other class to share disable weapon, and for them it is a single target, decently-lengthy cooldown skill that ALSO disables themselves for 3 seconds. A seeker can spam disable weapon debuff and can also disable weapons or more than 1 person at a time. Wee...

    And do you *really* want to give me the argument 'well I'mmmmm sage'... when you can switch to demon any bloody time you want to? more rofl

    Heh. I'm not really saying seekers got OP, but to hear a seeker *complaining*? Cry me a river! Geez...
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  • jhktwentythree
    jhktwentythree Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Did you miss the part where they get two skills with 110% base damage AND weapon damage mods with 2 second cooldowns and .2s channel times?

    Also the 2s cooldown skill reduces defense levels by 20 on the enemy.

    With the 150 free stat points we're getting, Str/dex/mag values will be so high that base mag/phy damage will be a major factor in overall damage.

    This is probably enough to make them competitive with the best DD's in PVP, especially since they can already burst - they get DPS now as well.

    Yes, seeing how seekers get to use 220% of their base damage with 200% of weapon damage with an increased amount of fixed damage in less than 2 seconds with two of their basic skills and if it wasn't enough they had to give them more chances to use debuffs.
  • Boomz - Harshlands
    Boomz - Harshlands Posts: 516 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    For those wondering, I believe the ice prison change might be automatic, I can confirm this once I download the patch and log in.
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  • fangchill
    fangchill Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    I love the fact that my bm can finally effectively used his t3 pike :> , also i think ive found the skill to cancel seekers edge blur, stopping it i.e. b4 its 12 secs. \o/.

    QQ i just wish pwi would have given us some more defense buffs such as (physical +magical marrow):DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
  • Kusheil - Dreamweaver
    Kusheil - Dreamweaver Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Balancing maybe interesting but yeah good move PWI! Kinda meh on loosing emberstorm (I actually use that skill) and kinda meh on Dragons Breath still lagging behind seeker vortex but the shields will be a stance dance for wizards lol. Feels like a fat kid in a candy store <3. Yeah good movement. Sure some things will be revamped around a little here and there. Kinda wish pyrogram, gush and stone rain got a revamp like the psy spammers but I am Cool with the head shot spells considering nobody really spams gush and pyrogram on a moving target :P. I think mages are smart enough to come up with ways to drop people with the new fire spell :)

    Thanks
  • iperen
    iperen Posts: 2
    edited December 2013
    Not sure how many of you have taken the time to read though this yet, but some of the new skills are GAME-CHANGING. I'm gonna make a list of all the ones which I think will significantly impact how people fight each other. My comments are in blue.

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    On psychic glacial shards :

    We are so screwed if this is actually a stun. Even if it is just an immobilize, check out the cooldown---psychics can now pull of somewhat of an immobilize-lock, while gaining chi and doing really great damage.

    Appears to be an immobilize from the forges. Like already indicated, the cd is off-topic as it's the same as it has always been. The radius was always weird and was set on 6m with update for all lvls now. It's just an increase of the add-on damage. Not really game changing (especially since psy skills have always been lower hitting then wizard similar skill but with better cc).
  • Boomz - Harshlands
    Boomz - Harshlands Posts: 516 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Has anyone heard whether wizards are getting the supposed update to Ice Prison that removes the spark cost and lowers time from 120 sec to 30 sec? It was in the original skill changes posted but it did not happen automatically and I see no book for it.
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  • DeffyNature - Archosaur
    DeffyNature - Archosaur Posts: 1,400 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Has anyone heard whether wizards are getting the supposed update to Ice Prison that removes the spark cost and lowers time from 120 sec to 30 sec? It was in the original skill changes posted but it did not happen automatically and I see no book for it.

    Nope, that was scrapped ages ago.
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary
    Asterelle - Sanctuary Posts: 930 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Has anyone heard whether wizards are getting the supposed update to Ice Prison that removes the spark cost and lowers time from 120 sec to 30 sec? It was in the original skill changes posted but it did not happen automatically and I see no book for it.

    That skill is in the game but you're going to be disappointed.
    If you start a level 1 wizard and you get that skill in the new starter area. It expires when leaving though.
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  • BuddhaRage - Sanctuary
    BuddhaRage - Sanctuary Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Faster sacrificial slash and qpq makes a seeker squishier... how exactly? rofl, its the OPPOSITE; the debuff stays on seeker for a shorter length of time, with decreased chance that channeling gets interrupted, and you can pass off the debuffs faster. Its entirely win for seekers. Annnnd... a cursory search through forums shows, uh, yeah, the 1-shot combo for seekers is alive and well. Hell I've been on the receiving end of it fairly often lately, after fighting seekers for a while, and yes, it is very very dangerous. I can often survive it because I can see it coming. However, with the upgraded versions, I'll have difficulty reacting to the sac slash > qpq combo fast enough even if I'm watching the seeker closely, due to how much the channeling AND casting on BOTH skills has been reduced. And as we all know, seekers often need only 1 hit to finish people off...

    Gravel blade dmg will scale with double or triple spark a ton due to 110% base damage add... yeah, ignore that moar plz.

    Defense level debuffs are kinda unique to seekers, just sayin... as are the 'pre-debuffs' that turn into debuffs like disable weapon, stuns, attack lvl/defense level debuffs (because other classes totally have 3 minute pvp-able debuffs... NOT). Bms are the only other class to share disable weapon, and for them it is a single target, decently-lengthy cooldown skill that ALSO disables themselves for 3 seconds. A seeker can spam disable weapon debuff and can also disable weapons or more than 1 person at a time. Wee...

    And do you *really* want to give me the argument 'well I'mmmmm sage'... when you can switch to demon any bloody time you want to? more rofl

    Heh. I'm not really saying seekers got OP, but to hear a seeker *complaining*? Cry me a river! Geez...
    Heh. Not like ive never seen you complain before.

    'jus saying' the fact is, most non seekers would be satisfied with what this class gets, if not enthusiastic that its not as far fetched as the other classes. Seeker mains, are no where enthusiastic about these skills as other classes are with theirs.

    The examples you give, most of the time happen when the right factors line up correctly.
    ex) QPQ: we should be happy about it but its honest not really useful with the amount of seals and stuns the other classes are getting. PVP isnt a duel, in high end its all about the ganks and surviving them.
    Some pple have the bad habit of using the 'perfect scenario' as basis of their argument.
    Some also forget that there might be other skills from other classes that completely counteract them.
    b:surrender If you see this post then that means Deceptistar, being the tard' I am, posted on the wrong account b:surrender
  • wooflunkpoo
    wooflunkpoo Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    as title said plz mod sticky this
  • Slivaf - Dreamweaver
    Slivaf - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,106 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Really love this post.. i had to search for it way too much QQ. Useful info is useful ijs!
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  • niiiiiiiiilsson
    niiiiiiiiilsson Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Guys where i can get Primordial Blood? excluding those 2 daily from new map
  • freygin
    freygin Posts: 737 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    sin got a new stun skill b:sad

    bm can stun from afar b:surrender

    psychic can stun for 10 seconds b:shocked

    barb can glue a target to stay in place b:avoid

    archer can aoe knockback players b:surprised

    cleric new skills are mostly support, only one attacking skill, and needs to leave its support form >_<'
  • Mosz - Heavens Tear
    Mosz - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,181 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    freygin wrote: »
    sin got a new stun skill b:sad

    nope, 3 sec immobilize

    also the way the skill works it hits 4 or 5 times, so very high chance to proc an AA
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