spiritual warfare in new expansion, more OP and expensive than R10

attackerv
attackerv Posts: 295 Arc User
edited November 2013 in General Discussion
I think many ppl knows the spiritual warfare will release in new expansion.

Many ppl focus on rebirth and new skill b4 new expansion release. But now, pwcn player found the point of new expansion actually is spiritual warfare b:shocked

But I believe most of pwi player don’t know the spiritual warfare is actually another OP R10 version. It will bring new CS race and gear race.

The spiritual warfare have C, B, A, S level. S is top level. It will give some state bonus like tome, e.g. phy/mag att, def, hp, att/def lvl and spirit( new pvp att/def lvl) New FB can get C-B pack(mean random give C or B ), C-A pack. B-S pack needs 10 gold for opening. C-S pack is directly sold for 10 gold in boutique, which u don’t need to run FB. Spiritual warfare has set bonus. Some is 2 pieces or 3 pieces, even 6pieces. Bonus is usually additional 20% - 100% bonus state (depend on how many pieces set). Players can maximum equip 6 spiritual warfares.

Spiritual warfare have level from 1-80. Player have to feed it by spiritual warfare to lvl it, e.g. C spiritual warfare will give 1 exp if it is feed.

Right now, PWCN forum is full of angry for this new thing based on two reasons:

(1) Spiritual warfare is too OP. one endgame cleric-buffed Psy with trash spiritual warfare is one-shot by sparked archer with endgame spiritual warfare. (Metal att, 17858, psy mag def is 33492) and two shots by auto-att ( 12006 and 11525, psy phy def 31459). This archer phy att is double (50k-60k) after equip endgame spiritual warfare set, and the spirit (new att/def lvl for pvp) is over 700. The gap is too much. b:surrender
(2) Spiritual warfare can’t be traded. The only way for S spirit ual warfare is from packs(10 gold). Right now, the S rate seems about 0.01 in pack. If you want to get endgame spiritual set and feed them to max 80 lvl (6 pieces set), you need enough money and lucky. The rumor about the above archer spent 130k on his endgame spiritual warfare set (open about 13K packs). b:cry

Right now, in pwcn, R9RR+12 full JOSD is nothing b4 endgame spiritual warfare until you spend additional lots of money on packs

We do not know pwi how to deal with this new thing in future new expansion (bounded? How much pack sold? Is it OP like pwcn? ). However, if it is the same to the one of pwcn, it will be a horrible thing

I hope we can discuss it so that we can give some suggestion to pwi b4 it releases.
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  • Narcillatrix - Dreamweaver
    Narcillatrix - Dreamweaver Posts: 461 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Most psys (not all) are already one-shot by archers, especially when sparked. Bad example imo lol.
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  • Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary
    Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary Posts: 3,034 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Power creep, what else is new, besides if they indeed have that, it`s not certain we will get it here. b:surrender
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  • Azura - Lost City
    Azura - Lost City Posts: 2,281 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    If this was farmable, it would help a lot revitalize the game, since everyone would have something new to go for.

    If it's just cashop, and random pack, then the game will lose even more players.
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  • Eoria - Harshlands
    Eoria - Harshlands Posts: 6,118 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Azura - Lost City wrote: »
    If this was farmable, it would help a lot revitalize the game, since everyone would have something new to go for.

    If it's just cashop, and random pack, then the game will lose even more players.

    This.

    Really, they could just make this **** farmable in Nirvana.
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  • Desdi - Sanctuary
    Desdi - Sanctuary Posts: 8,680 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    ^ what the posters above me said.

    It would seriously be a great way to get people farming again.
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  • IMANOPCLASS - Lost City
    IMANOPCLASS - Lost City Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    its been already know as bubbles already posted this https://www.dropbox.com/sh/tjk7fdvd0pjf4m9/oT1CGRWw00. So basic this spiritual thing is an ad on so op ppl will be more op then be4.So if you are rank9 jades now you will gain more then the others just cuz they flat out have more stats to gain cuz its % based.All in all i think end game and normal gamers gap will grow bigger then be4
  • Narcillatrix - Dreamweaver
    Narcillatrix - Dreamweaver Posts: 461 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Then I'm going to say you either suck or are lying about having an archer that high geared.
    Either way, about this said updated. Meh. I surprisingly don't care.

    And somehow this post glitched and is saying it posted 9 hours before it actually did...awesome..
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  • Crazybladema - Harshlands
    Crazybladema - Harshlands Posts: 425 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    I knew something like this would happen. Glad I retired from ingame play when I did.
  • foley3k
    foley3k Posts: 446 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    There is nothing to discuss. It is in packs because it how PWI makes money. It is how the game was designed. I think our version will get it. Lots of people with money to spend on something they don't own. It is the next big thing to get money flowing for the company. It is their only way to survive. You can run a company selling charms and fashion only in boutique. They need to have that "want" to have the best. Easiest way to get it is to buy it.
    On most servers its who spends the most to get it first to gain bragging rights. Then someone else gets it, then another. Then its a big e-peen contest. Then its world chats of "BH SoT looking for Spirtual Warefare +12 only".
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  • Desdi - Sanctuary
    Desdi - Sanctuary Posts: 8,680 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    It's not how the game was designed, it's how Wanmei/PWE decided to turn it into.
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  • SHIMBERLY - Heavens Tear
    SHIMBERLY - Heavens Tear Posts: 703 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Why do they keep adding more powerful **** to players and nothing of true power to instances?Its truely dumb,now pk will truely be dead or just for the op warlords hahah.There. Is nothing in this game that needs any more upgrade **** to player gear.
  • thumbs
    thumbs Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »
    ^ what the posters above me said.

    It would seriously be a great way to get people farming again.

    People tried farming many things like R8, R9, OHT boots / hat, etc. Before it's even possible to farm them; they've made them dirt cheap. I like relying on this consistency.
  • Burnout - Harshlands
    Burnout - Harshlands Posts: 2,585 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    attackerv wrote: »
    No way to farm S endgame spiritual warfare ATM. You have to spend 10 gold for one pack. all spiritual warfare is bounded. BTW, the spiritual warfare can reborn as well, which it needs to eat one S endgame spiritual warfare. So total cost is very high..

    Here is four of endgame set spiritual warfare data by a seeker (diff with diff class, archer suppose to have more att /mag def and low HP/phy def) . I miss the other two pieces about spirit (new pvp att/def lvl), but it is above 700 spirit if full set.

    1) Phy/mag att +659, blue state (def lvl +1, phy def +180, vit +10)
    2) Phy/mag att +659, blue state (def lvl+1, phy def +180, HP +135)
    3) Hp + 1387, phy def +3014, blue state ( att lvl+1, crit +1, att lvl +1)
    4) Hp + 610, mag def +1325, blue state ( att lvl +1, phy/mag att +64 )
    Notice, if full 6 pieces of set, the state point will add 100% bonus. ( so no doubt R9rr+12 att can double after full set).

    I am an archer with 750 dex and +12 R9rr weapon and 147 att lvl, (phy att 24644-32805). I do not remember I can one-shot endgame-psy with cleric/bm-buff by sparked mag att or two shot (no spark) by auto-att until he get debuff. my auto att is about 5k crit, pwcn now test is 10k. I think it is a result of double att value


    So it's basically a better Meridian system that is cash-shop only? The defensive values seem pretty OP. So you can equip 6 blessings and get 8000+ hp and 18k+ p. def?
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  • Maxxxson - Dreamweaver
    Maxxxson - Dreamweaver Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    No offense to 'attackerv'
    but i dont get half the things that he is trying to explain.

    And ALL OF THIS is already possible right now in PWI?
    So whats the big deal?

    A Sparked r9rr+12 archer with tome and 700+ dex 1 shots Psy's already.
    And 50-60k patk is what these archers on our Server have right now already.
    So what actually changed?

    Funny how ppl go all drama and scared of boutique about a few words with no actual information.
  • Desdi - Sanctuary
    Desdi - Sanctuary Posts: 8,680 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Well what I meant was farming something new xD
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  • Burnout - Harshlands
    Burnout - Harshlands Posts: 2,585 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Yawn. It's just another gear treadmill. Only thing about it is that +12 JoSD players don't have to transfer refines/shards again etc.

    When R9 was first previewed everyone thought it would be the end of PWI b/c of how op it was.

    When R9rr was first previewed everyone thought it would be the end of PWI b/c of how op it was.

    Only thing different now w/ the spiritual warfare is we're moving back to a pack-based economy rather than a NW-based economy, which does hurt f2p players quite a bit, but not CS'ers/merchants.
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  • attackerv
    attackerv Posts: 295 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    No way to farm S endgame spiritual warfare ATM. You have to spend 10 gold for one pack. all spiritual warfare is bounded. BTW, the spiritual warfare can reborn as well, which it needs to eat one S endgame spiritual warfare. So total cost is very high..

    Here is four of endgame set spiritual warfare data by a seeker (diff with diff class, archer suppose to have more att /mag def and low HP/phy def) . I miss the other two pieces about spirit (new pvp att/def lvl), but it is above 700 spirit if full set.

    1) Phy/mag att +659, blue state (def lvl +1, phy def +180, vit +10)
    2) Phy/mag att +659, blue state (def lvl+1, phy def +180, HP +135)
    3) Hp + 1387, phy def +3014, blue state ( att lvl+1, crit +1, att lvl +1)
    4) Hp + 610, mag def +1325, blue state ( att lvl +1, phy/mag att +64 )
    Notice, if full 6 pieces of set, the state point will add 100% bonus. ( so no doubt R9rr+12 att can double after full set).

    I am an archer with 750 dex and +12 R9rr weapon and 147 att lvl, (phy att 24644-32805). I do not remember I can one-shot endgame-psy with cleric/bm-buff by sparked mag att or two shot (no spark) by auto-att until he get debuff. my auto att is about 5k crit, pwcn now test is 10k. I think it is a result of double att value
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    Attacker_V: archer
    Seraphim_V: Veno
    xNightshadowx: db
  • attackerv
    attackerv Posts: 295 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    rumor about spirite formulation

    pvp

    （1000 + attacker_spirite）/（1000 + defender_spirite）

    pve

    （1000 + attacker_spirite/4）/（1000 + defender_spirite/4）


    the maximum spirite shown in pwcn forum so far is over 1k b:shocked
    Main Chars in tidewell:
    Attacker_V: archer
    Seraphim_V: Veno
    xNightshadowx: db
  • Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary
    Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary Posts: 3,034 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    attackerv wrote: »
    rumor about spirite formulation

    pvp

    （1000 + attacker_spirite）/（1000 + defender_spirite）

    pve

    （1000 + attacker_spirite/4）/（1000 + defender_spirite/4）


    the maximum spirite shown in pwcn forum so far is over 1k b:shocked

    At least it`s not over 9000 b:shutup
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  • LodeJunior - Archosaur
    LodeJunior - Archosaur Posts: 561 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    b:laugh, they put DragonBallz into PWI, so now do we have to search for dragon balls?
  • DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver
    DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,396 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    The real question is:
    How can it be more expensive than R10 if there is no R10 available at all b:shocked

    Oh wait I just answered it myself...
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  • GlenRoss - Archosaur
    GlenRoss - Archosaur Posts: 430 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    I'm not going to overreact before seeing what they actually bring to PWI but I'm not going to chase the cash shoppers to another big gear upgrade.

    I finally maxed at 105 last week but still have work to do on my gear. If it drops back to middle-of-the-pack, I'm done.
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  • GlenRoss - Archosaur
    GlenRoss - Archosaur Posts: 430 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Maybe I'll feel differently by then. Right now I'm feeling a little burnt by the worst roll in history.

    I put my barb's PC neck in to get it engraved (500 spectra polish, 500 uncanny ore, 10 Seals of war). It adds 3 attributes, most of them valuable.

    I got just barely better than the worst possible roll:

    physical attack +40
    magic attack +40
    magic attack +40

    ugh.
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  • Crazybladema - Harshlands
    Crazybladema - Harshlands Posts: 425 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary wrote: »
    At least it`s not over 9000 b:shutup

    But I keep seeing over 9000 when I leave sz. :(
  • TZoner - Raging Tide
    TZoner - Raging Tide Posts: 1,764 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    GlenRoss - Archosaur wrote: »
    Maybe I'll feel differently by then. Right now I'm feeling a little burnt by the worst roll in history.

    I put my barb's PC neck in to get it engraved (500 spectra polish, 500 uncanny ore, 10 Seals of war). It adds 3 attributes, most of them valuable.

    I got just barely better than the worst possible roll:

    physical attack +40
    magic attack +40
    magic attack +40

    ugh.

    This is how i picture it. Pwi is like that guy from silence of the lambs and we are the guy in the hole in the ground. It puts the lotion on its skin.
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  • BungaSakura - Raging Tide
    BungaSakura - Raging Tide Posts: 902 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    so the cost to get end game gear maybe more expensive than buying laptop... well, lets see what it will be. this game is really expensive to enjoy x.x

    on the other note. Funny in this thread ppl saying how OP archer by 1 shotting other class. but in archer section they complaint about how weak they are interm of skill. :)
  • GlenRoss - Archosaur
    GlenRoss - Archosaur Posts: 430 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    TZoner - Raging Tide wrote: »
    This is how i picture it. Pwi is like that guy from silence of the lambs and we are the guy in the hole in the ground. It puts the lotion on its skin.

    LoL. So true.
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  • Bhavyy - Raging Tide
    Bhavyy - Raging Tide Posts: 1,083 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Narcillatrix - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Most psys (not all) are already one-shot by archers, especially when sparked. Bad example imo lol.

    not really.
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  • DeffyNature - Archosaur
    DeffyNature - Archosaur Posts: 1,400 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    As I understand it, only the S class cards will be in the cash shop, the other 3 categories will be gotten in game as drops of farmable.
    So what's the problem?
    People forked over a lot of cash for R9 sutff, be it farmed coin or real money, they 3rd cast it and are derping away on the others, if they have the brains to do so.
    The ones that didn't afford r9 or could care less, since they're not into pk, got nirvana 3rd cast or alternatives by farming it. It's less powerful, but more than enough for pve and acceptable in pvp (with lots of luck and brains).
    It's basically the same thing, only now, they are throwing the cash shoppers hurdles to crawl, so it's not only needed to fork cash, but it's also a lottery. The only thing that is remotely inconvenient is the items being non-tradeable, which means that who wants a powerful S class card thingy will have to farm coins, get gold from AH and participate in the lottery like everyone else.
    Non game breaking, really, cash shoppers always got more powerful gear than what can be farmed in-game.
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  • Desdi - Sanctuary
    Desdi - Sanctuary Posts: 8,680 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    I'd rather see the effects it has in-game before I judge.
    As long as they provide a way to farm these things (even if it's not the most powerful cards) that is available to everyone (a regular instance like any other; WS, Nirvana, Lunar etc.) I'll be fine with it.

    It was mentioned that this attribute affects pets too. That is something I'm interested in.
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