Do mystics have a lack of skill on your server?

Evryn - Morai wrote: »

@Zoldi: I've found that using Cragger on the TT bosses (and presumably against any "?" level being, such as the Archosaur Assault bosses and mobs) can be highly effective, but it does require a bit of micromanagement... Cragger needs to use it's abilities as often as it can for maximum damage potential. But it out-DDs anything I've seen thus far in the short time it exists, easily taking a 250K chunk out of such a boss - and I'm nowhere near geared or leveled to the max. It is aggro-safe damage too - the Cragger itself will draw aggro if anything, but that aggro doesn't transfer to the Mystic afterward, allowing the tank to easily regain aggro once the Cragger times out. So this skill can also be useful if your tank is in trouble or your main healer went down.

[Edit] @Colum: Learning your role is important, yes. But you only learn through experiences, so being excluded isn't really helpful in that regard. Me, if I'm told "hey, don't use the befuddler, it screws up my own debuff" I'll immediately switch to either the Spidervine or even the Punishing Sting to cancel the Befuddler. If the party communicates I'm doing something wrong, I fix it.

Zoldi - Morai wrote: »

For creeper on Snake in WS, I would say that it obvisously depends on the squad composition
For GF in delta it will depend on the squad composition AND the level/gear of the mystic.

I agree that everyone should learn and play his role but people also need to adapt to each situation. For example I saw weak barbs using aggro skills to take aggro from me in situations where I have as many HP as them and better defense...

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

It's not always the mystics, I see BMs, Archers, psy and other class do that. In GV (Delta/RB) I always used GF and never got complain about it, I even see people complain about the mystics that don't GF in GV, but that one seems to be different depending on servers.

I've seen barbs, archers and others do it as well but usually it is more rare and I always note about it. Archers and mystics are the most ignorant ones that usually refuse to stop it.

GV can be quite bad if you're a mystic along sin, two BMs and a barb for example, ESPECIALLY if DDs are weak and I as a barb deal most damage to the mobs. Magic mos also hurt if they get pushed into distance and I got to drag them back into the zhen again. It does depend of the squad build, though. lvl 11 vortex seekers shouldnt have too bad issues w/ GF but barbs and BMs do.

In WS and Lunar it's situational, if I'm with a good squad I won't use GF, but if the squad have some squishy or people are about to die than I'll use it to save people. I did a Lunar run a while ago with people that was squishy and I did GF all the run and the BM did pm me saying ''thx and good job, that totally saved us''.

I think I did mention somewhere that everything is always situational and I do realise it. Sadly I run into bad use of skills more often and not only mystics do this, every single class has their cases. I have, however, seen more bad mystic squadplay vs any other class except maybe barbarian and this all keeping in mind that there are less mystics than others.

Mystic is a class that is versatile, but also need to adapt the play style to every squad, some squad it's needed to GF, while others it's not, but it's why there's so many bad mystics, they play their char one way and do it the same way with all the squads.

Think I also addressed this somewhere

In my opinion GF is situational for WS and Lunar, but in GV a mystic not using it is fail. Unless the mystic use a lvl 1 wand he do more damage on all mobs than a barb do on one mob, a mystic with a decent weapon and lucky break one shot the mobs in GV.

And to be honest I hate having barb in GV, I would take a mystic over a barb (or any class for that matter), I don't blame barb for that, but except the buffs barb doesn't have much more use anymore. They cannot hold aggro on anything and any class with decent gears can pull in Lunar, WS (pulling is not needed in GV in my opinion).

That is sage barbs. Demon sunder (100% critrate for 5 secs) + demon armageddon with decent gears = most mobs dead. Most barbs I see in my cleric's or mystic's squad do not seem to use their AOEs right and that is their fault but yes a barb CAN be useful in GV.



Don't forget Evryn that you are still what we consider a low lvl, there's skills you don't have yet, later on you will realize that Cragg is almost never used, on a boss spark+ using mistress is better than using Cragg. At your lvl maybe Cragg do more damage than you if you spark, but more you will lvl and get better weapons more you will realize that the sparks are better use if you spark beside use them on Cragg.

There's 2 instances (lvl100+) where I use Cragg and it's situational, I'll usually spark and use GF, but if the squad is mainly BMs, Sins and melees I'll use Cragg so I don't silence the mobs with GF, but that's all, at lvl 100 spark+GF and other skills do more damage than Cragg.

There's a npc in Archosaur call Smooth antoine, for 20k he spawn a mob that you can test damage on (the mob stay for 5 minutes and doesn't attack you).

Just test different things on it, try Cragg on it than after try to 2 spark and check the damage difference, also as I said you don'thave yet all skills and debuff, at lvl89 you will get your 3 spark skill, at lvl95 there's thhe buff invigorate that you can get that give you 20% more damage on your skills damage which doesn't affect summons, also at lvl100 there's lucky break that make the next hit crit.

Mystic is a class that often more people lvl more they realize they was playing it wrong at low lvl, but you will probably need to wait to be lvl100 to realize those things. Just a example: Many mystics think they can play mystic like veno and use devil or other summons as tank, it do work at low lvl, but later on mystic cannot do that.

For the plant you should not use Befuddling Creeper unless there's no other class that can debuff, don't wait people to ask you to don't do it, cause they they will be mad at you and think you suck.

Mystics have the lowest p.def and m.def debuff in the game, so if you have a barb, veno, bm or cleric in squad that debuff don't use Befuddling Creeper, cause if you use it you cancelled their debuff and for class like BM and veno their debuff cost them chi (2 sparks for the BM). Use Befuddling Creeper if there's no other class that can debuff or if really no one is debuffing, BM won't always do it cause 2 sparks is a lot and can be use on other skills, a lot of clerics suck and are to stupid to debuff even if they are not in BB, but usually veno and barb do debuff.

You just need to learn what class can debuff and the %, but mystic have the lowest, i personally use Befuddling Creeper only if I solo a boss or in a instance call GV (Delta/RB).

So as I said you are still low lvl, it's normal that you are still learning and making experiences, but I'm telling you, at lvl100 you won't play like you do now.