Hellfire Abomination...and the painful new SOT.

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  • Brillance - Raging Tide
    Brillance - Raging Tide Posts: 1,643 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Maybe it would be a good idea for the under-geared 99 lowbies to go on a One-Ticket per under-geared lowbie account campaign to get this Design Problem fixed. One-Ticket per account only, because you will muff-up their Ticket System (we are lead to believe) and that will be the excuse for nothing ever getting done.

    Who cares if English isnt your first language - write it in your own language then use a free translator program to post and send it in.

    People have always enjoyed getting their Culti done in a timely fashion. To me, its just another of several updates over the last year or so to get the population to simply leave - selling a lame excuse that doesnt make any sense to any reasonable human as the excuse for it - Challenging the OP, and stopping the Sin class (which also happens to be everyone's main farm toon) from getting books to sell.

    Most OP players (not all, but a great deal of them nowadays) do not care about anyone but themselves and theirs. MOST are not inclined to wanna run with players who are not geared just like themselves. Again, not all - but if you look at from the prespective of the OP only logging in on weekends, even if they are helpful players, they are not going to be able to help the majority of players who will need their help.

    No one wants to wait until they are level 101 or higher, and a few YEARS of farming, or paying off a rip-off CC bill so they can beat the 99 Culti too.

    When the under-geared, and under-skilled simply leave - who's gonna buy your dumb-bassed over-priced books anyway? b:chuckle I mean really...

    Its also giving those who have already done the Culti an unfair advantage. Doesnt this game already have tons of unfair advantages under its belt?

    Sheesh! But anyway -

    The under-feared totally out-number the over-feared. Send em a freakin' ticket!b:angry
  • WannaBM - Archosaur
    WannaBM - Archosaur Posts: 1,984 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Total bullsh1t.

    First of all, i believe it can by done by lvl 99s alone. Just read about how to do it. Cuz really it's a piece of cake..... Not if you dont even read the system messages and just run in though...

    Second, it really isnt that painfull to do your culti at lvl 100 instead of 99 so that you can wear lvl 100 equipment.

    Third, there is no reason to do it with lvl99s alone unless you want to challenge yourself. I do the weekly every week. When i make the squad it is open to everyone including 99s as long as there is a bit variety in the classes and 1 or 2 clerics are included, i am happy. There are very few players so cocky that they dont want a lvl 99 "leeching" in their squad.
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  • Kalmiah - Raging Tide
    Kalmiah - Raging Tide Posts: 25 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Lol I had a lvl 92 barb in my weekly SOT squad for the culti.
  • Brillance - Raging Tide
    Brillance - Raging Tide Posts: 1,643 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    There is also this really cool thingy - not sure how you get it though.

    Blinking Poultice., or something like that, I have bought a couple from a CatShop once that was selling them for 22K each.

    It raises my 4988 HP to almost 7K - among other things (not sure if it stacks with buffs, but if it does - most HP problems are solved :D), which could help players who feel their HP is too low. As long as they stay reasonably priced, any lowbie can afford them.

    Its really nice for healers, in that it gives you enough speed to keep up with everyone else too. Lasts 1 hour and through death, but Idk if it can be purged or debuffed. Seems maybe it can, but I have to use it more to really know. b:cute
  • Walpurga - Dreamweaver
    Walpurga - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,028 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    A squad of level 99s would probably need 2 barbs, one to grab boss and one to grab adds. Someone would have to be on standby with an inventory full of queen crystals and constantly spam them. Considering new hellfire has almost 12mil HP it would also take a long, long time to kill with TT90 weapons.
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  • Jaabg - Sanctuary
    Jaabg - Sanctuary Posts: 2,256 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Ummmm, i didn't read this thread, but are people complaining about not being able to get their culti done because they are not 100+?

    I did the weekly SOT recently and the aba. The mobs are the same. Bosses are the same.

    Only part that is hard is the glowy orbs thing, but they are fun to play with.

    I did my culti before in a 6 person squad, and we did a culti for 3 people again in a 6 person squad now. No one was OP, just your usual 8~10k hp buffed bm, a competent cleric.

    Now there are 10 people that can be in the squad. If 9 are 100+, having 1 person below 100 won't hurt the squad at all. But if your server/friends/group/players around you are like that, that is sad.

    But i still maintain that culti in seat, aba can still be done. Don't need to finish it in 3 minutes, tm style, but it can be done.
  • WannaBM - Archosaur
    WannaBM - Archosaur Posts: 1,984 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Blinking paultice does not stack with buffs.

    Just use the crystals from bloody courtyard and damage is reduced to virtually nothing. Indeed i always ask 1 person in squad to constantly use the crystals. In fact, to be sure i usually ask 2 persons to do so. Preferably seekers who can use them while vortexing as they do not need to swich between selecting the boss for attack and a player for using the crystals. Besides that, they are the more sturdy type so you dont run the risk of the player with crystals dying leaving the rest without the protection.

    For the really weak, make sure to have res scrolls and IG on you so that you can always be sure you are alive during the last moments when the boss dies and not miss your quest.
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  • CapnK - Sanctuary
    CapnK - Sanctuary Posts: 1,166 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I'll check again to make sure but when I tried it, the crystals did *not* work outside of the Bloody Courtyard area.
  • Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary
    Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary Posts: 3,034 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Yes, change it back, well only the Hellfire, so I can farm books again b:avoid
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  • Brillance - Raging Tide
    Brillance - Raging Tide Posts: 1,643 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Yes, change it back, well only the Hellfire, so I can farm books again b:avoid

    Idk why anyone cared you farmed books to begin with. Seems like a dumb reason to change out the 99 Culti.

    Back in the day I used to run into barbs who would tell me mesmerizing tales about cracking OHT and finishing Cultis well ahead of their level.

    But, this thread has gone from 1 extreme to the other, which is good for a laugh at least.

    Low gears say its too hard.

    Allegedly knowledgeable people chime in to say it was done that way to give the 'elite' a challenge, and they love it.

    Others chime in to say its exactly the same.

    Lol, go farm your books then....Idk... f:cool
  • danilco
    danilco Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    They rewards for this quest are not near enough to justify doing it as a weekly I find. I make way more profit from doing other things. As for ppl who need it for culti, i hear your pain best advice I can give is ask if you can tag along with a squad that is doing weekly, maybe offer them money for the help. There are squads that run it all the time. GL.

    R9rr with 12.5k hp (says its a waste of time my opinion only ^^)
  • WannaBM - Archosaur
    WannaBM - Archosaur Posts: 1,984 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    CapnK - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I'll check again to make sure but when I tried it, the crystals did *not* work outside of the Bloody Courtyard area.

    You must be a fail somehow b:laugh
    They do.
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  • WannaBM - Archosaur
    WannaBM - Archosaur Posts: 1,984 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    danilco wrote: »
    They rewards for this quest are not near enough to justify doing it as a weekly I find. I make way more profit from doing other things. As for ppl who need it for culti, i hear your pain best advice I can give is ask if you can tag along with a squad that is doing weekly, maybe offer them money for the help. There are squads that run it all the time. GL.

    R9rr with 12.5k hp (says its a waste of time my opinion only ^^)

    What is an incomparable gem worth ? 10m or so ?

    3 x 1,5 hours = 4,5 hours. for 10m
    Yes there are some more profitable things to do, but it is fun, it doesnt need to be 2x and you dont need to be APS to do it.
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  • Brillance - Raging Tide
    Brillance - Raging Tide Posts: 1,643 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »
    You must be a fail somehow b:laugh
    They do.

    Really? We do have issues that get taken care of without our knowledge. They usually happen about the same time as a weekly maintenance. Maybe we do know about them by reading Patch Notes faithfully, but not everyone has a whole lot of time for that. People experience strange things all the time, depending on when they do it.

    Im not saying no one made a mistake either, people can do that.

    Doesnt take much to be 'a fail somehow' for some I guess. *shrugs*
  • SMASHnHEAL - Dreamweaver
    SMASHnHEAL - Dreamweaver Posts: 400 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Yesterday I got asked to help out a faction member run their culti for hellfire, up until that point they had run the rest of the instance without the need of a cleric.
    First they gave it a go the way it was intending by dragging the adds to the crystals - problem was that people were going out of BB and dying resulting in a near squad wipe. Second time I told everyone to ignore the adds, seeker will tank them in vortex, stay in BB range and just kill the boss. Everything was going smoothly until near the end the archer in squad must have been hit by a slightly harder aoe and died. Looked at their gear and there was not a single bit refined at all, not +3 not +2 and not even +1, completely unrefined.

    Now I am one to help where ever I can and have nothing against people that are still working on gear but a 100+ toon should be able to refine their gear to at least +3 and that would have probably been enough in this case to survive. People do expect to be able to walk up to a boss and have it do nothing to them and then reap the rewards. Probably the same people that forget that a barb can frighten or a mystic can use spidervine to help reduce the aoe. People need to put at least some effort into their gear and/or learn to use their skills again, failing that dig a **** tonne of crystals and hope for the best.
  • Psytrac - Dreamweaver
    Psytrac - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,488 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Well, I was the one the dug the crystals, but it doesn't help when that AOE goes off constantly, and you can't even get up without dieing.
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  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    ^ Really? Then just have more people dig and take turns clicking buff...it really reduces so much, and stacks with BB.
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  • SpiritDivine - Sanctuary
    SpiritDivine - Sanctuary Posts: 193 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I hold this as another great failure from PWI
  • Liveena - Heavens Tear
    Liveena - Heavens Tear Posts: 422 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Hellfire Abomination need to be nerf for those who need their fb99/culti done.

    I know that some op gear can survive his add and the aoe carnage, but some even with good gears just can't survive it (especially those who need FB99 at their lvl).

    I've been helping someone who need their fb99 inside SoT several times, and most of the time we're having trouble at hellfire.

    b:surrender
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  • PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,507 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Liveena - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Hellfire Abomination need to be nerf for those who need their fb99/culti done.

    I know that some op gear can survive his add and the aoe carnage, but some even with good gears just can't survive it (especially those who need FB99 at their lvl).

    I've been helping someone who need their fb99 inside SoT several times, and most of the time we're having trouble at hellfire.

    b:surrender

    grow a brain, think outside the box and dig crystals; even a tt90 gets hit for less than 500 without bb
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  • GlenRoss - Archosaur
    GlenRoss - Archosaur Posts: 430 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    This is the final culti, for goodness sake. It's SUPPOSED to be hard. This isn't Farmv .... er .... that cutesy little Facebook game.

    It appears to me that PWI figured out that, as the game populace grows top-heavy, there needs to be a distinction between 100+ level players. I'm sure that there are plenty of hard-working, talented players who will struggle with it and I don't intend to broad-brush them with .... well .... with the others who want to be taken to the top. But seriously, the game can't be just an automatic free pass to maximum benefits.
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  • Haila - Sanctuary
    Haila - Sanctuary Posts: 467 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    grow a brain, think outside the box and dig crystals; even a tt90 gets hit for less than 500 without bb
    GlenRoss - Archosaur wrote: »
    This is the final culti, for goodness sake. It's SUPPOSED to be hard. This isn't Farmv .... er .... that cutesy little Facebook game.

    It appears to me that PWI figured out that, as the game populace grows top-heavy, there needs to be a distinction between 100+ level players. I'm sure that there are plenty of hard-working, talented players who will struggle with it and I don't intend to broad-brush them with .... well .... with the others who want to be taken to the top. But seriously, the game can't be just an automatic free pass to maximum benefits.

    Looking at the posts above me, one says its easy can be done in tt90, the other says its supposed to be hard b:laugh
  • GlenRoss - Archosaur
    GlenRoss - Archosaur Posts: 430 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Haila - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Looking at the posts above me, one says its easy can be done in tt90, the other says its supposed to be hard b:laugh

    :-) And both are true. It's not supposed to be a walk in the park, but it's totally do-able.
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  • PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,507 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    well, thinking to use the crystals for the whole instance is not that obvious so in a sense it is hard: a hard puzzle. ofc if you look guides/talk to people it becomes easy but that's true for any game XD
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  • Jaabg - Sanctuary
    Jaabg - Sanctuary Posts: 2,256 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »
    What is an incomparable gem worth ? 10m or so ?

    3 x 1,5 hours = 4,5 hours. for 10m
    Yes there are some more profitable things to do, but it is fun, it doesnt need to be 2x and you dont need to be APS to do it.

    It takes 1.5 hours to do one weekly aba or sot? It took us 20 minutes last time i think.
  • WannaBM - Archosaur
    WannaBM - Archosaur Posts: 1,984 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Jaabg - Sanctuary wrote: »
    It takes 1.5 hours to do one weekly aba or sot? It took us 20 minutes last time i think.

    Yes it takes 1,5 hours. (SOT) Probably you can get it down to 1 hour if everyone knows what they are doing.

    We are talking about the weekly quest "crisis resolved" here. Not about the bounty hunter.
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  • PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,507 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »
    Yes it takes 1,5 hours. (SOT) Probably you can get it down to 1 hour if everyone knows what they are doing.

    We are talking about the weekly quest "crisis resolved" here. Not about the bounty hunter.

    you can probably chop it further if you split the squad to clear paths; 10 people is a bit too much. i think the best way is queen> dig crystals > split in two > meet for bosses
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  • WannaBM - Archosaur
    WannaBM - Archosaur Posts: 1,984 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    you can probably chop it further if you split the squad to clear paths; 10 people is a bit too much. i think the best way is queen> dig crystals > split in two > meet for bosses

    Sounds like a good plan. In fact i would espescially split the bloody courtyard as well. Not everyone needs crystals and this is the area where a complete squad seems hardest to get working as a team and easiest to solo. Usually i just start clearing the courtyard myself while the squad is forming, everyone picking up their quest and finding their way into the instance.

    Im gonna wait a few more weeks before trying to get random squads to split up though. Its messy enough as it is with so many people not really knowing what to do and where to go :)
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  • PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,507 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »
    Sounds like a good plan. In fact i would espescially split the bloody courtyard as well. Not everyone needs crystals and this is the area where a complete squad seems hardest to get working as a team and easiest to solo. Usually i just start clearing the courtyard myself while the squad is forming, everyone picking up their quest and finding their way into the instance.

    Im gonna wait a few more weeks before trying to get random squads to split up though. Its messy enough as it is with so many people not really knowing what to do and where to go :)

    yeah, when I form on sin I can clear a large chunk while gathering crystals
    you only purge once #yopo
  • Shanabee - Harshlands
    Shanabee - Harshlands Posts: 88 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    what i dont understand is - why they made fb99 sage culti that hard while demon culti is way easier to get, doesnt sound fair.
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